tbh that is the only sp news i'm interested in
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Sunday, 30 August 2020 21:14 (three years ago) link
Mmm the vocals on cyr are mixed too loud. It makes sense since Corgan’s tone is the least generic sound in here but the whole thing sounds cheap somehow.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Thursday, 3 September 2020 04:50 (three years ago) link
Simon & Brad: MCIS was intentionally mixed slightly muddy and it's quiet presumably to retain dynamic range--a rarity for a 1995 CD. I also think that Corgan & Flood basically ran out of time: they were still recording songs in August 1995 (there's an internal Virgin promo with some alternate song titles; "Bodies" was "The Rattler"), and by the end of that month they were already off playing Reading and other Euro festivals. They shot the BWBW video at the end of September, so they had roughly ONE MONTH to mix MCIS (and a good chunk of B-sides). Whereas I think Corgan & Vig took 6-8 weeks to mix SD. So I don't think they fucked it up, and they basically got what they wanted (a low-mid focus), but if they had even just another couple weeks, it'd probably sound better.
― flappy bird, Thursday, 3 September 2020 17:06 (three years ago) link
nice deets. I think it sounds good, I’m here for the low-mid focus.
― brimstead, Thursday, 3 September 2020 17:33 (three years ago) link
Been listening to MCIS and AFH all day. I love these songs unreservedly for ever. They’ve been with me so long, makes me feel safe and home more than most else
― Mule, Thursday, 3 September 2020 17:39 (three years ago) link
But even disregarding all that (positive) emotional baggage, they still sound so fucking good.
― Mule, Thursday, 3 September 2020 17:41 (three years ago) link
thanks for the info fb, that all makes a lot of sense. despite my mild misgivings I don't know if I'd be comfortable with changing the sound of MCIS at all
― unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Thursday, 3 September 2020 20:06 (three years ago) link
Yeah I agree Brim+Simon, I like the way it sounds a lot, you just need to turn it up relative to most other music. And yeah I don't know what I would change either. You can hear hints of what a modern/more time intensive mix might've come up with if you listen to the bonus stuff on the MCIS/TAFH reissues. the albums themselves don't really sound different, but something like Inside the Dark Globe or the full Pastichio Medley tracks have more teeth to them, more cut. They're also brickwalled iirc, don't remember but they definitely don't have the dynamic range of the primary albums (thank god he didn't change any of that--remember how "Plume" has a scratch vocal take on the reissue because he didn't realize it was wrong? lol)
― flappy bird, Thursday, 3 September 2020 20:22 (three years ago) link
Oh yeah and "XYU" was called "Spum" until the last minute...you can hear him introduce it at Reading '95 in a sort of jokey high voice... really glad he changed that title....
― flappy bird, Thursday, 3 September 2020 20:24 (three years ago) link
Ha I always wondered what the hell he was saying in my bootleg of that show.
― Sam Weller, Thursday, 3 September 2020 20:28 (three years ago) link
My “Mellon Collie”:JellybellyHere Is no WhyCupid De LockeMuzzlePorcelina Where BoysBodiesThirty-Three1979BeautifulBy Starlight(bonus track: We Only Come Out at Night)
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Saturday, 5 September 2020 01:29 (three years ago) link
no ruby no cred
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 September 2020 01:35 (three years ago) link
accurate
― flappy bird, Saturday, 5 September 2020 01:52 (three years ago) link
i really love the way mcis sounds, one of the best sounding rock albums ever imo. has a lovely warmth to it
― ufo, Saturday, 5 September 2020 02:02 (three years ago) link
I’m getting into an album that I ignored for 25 years, cut me some slack!
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Saturday, 5 September 2020 02:03 (three years ago) link
I luv how they continued with / expanded on that downtuned modern-rock sound of “Hummer” and “Mayonaise” with tracks like “Jellybelly.”
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Saturday, 5 September 2020 02:10 (three years ago) link
tbh all of the pre-machina sp records sound great
as i've prob admitted on this thread multiple times i even love the way machina sounds even though it sounds bad
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 September 2020 02:15 (three years ago) link
hah, same!!
― brimstead, Saturday, 5 September 2020 02:16 (three years ago) link
the mix is so muddy but that overdriven guitar sound where it sounds simultaneously like a synth and a laser... fuckin incredible
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 September 2020 02:18 (three years ago) link
(“Ruby” is ok, but kinda plodding?, and in a Pumpkins mode that I don’t dig so much. My least favorite mode is when they get aggro, à la “Geek USA” & “Silverf*ck” — or, on this album, “Ode to No One” & “XYU”)
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Saturday, 5 September 2020 02:19 (three years ago) link
(but I was a teenage Gish-head who was kinda confused by SD, and stopped buying their albums altogether after Pisces)
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Saturday, 5 September 2020 02:20 (three years ago) link
'Ruby' is pretty much a prog epic...
― aphoristical, Saturday, 5 September 2020 02:21 (three years ago) link
Serious q—should I try making it thru the 64 bonus tracks on the Deluxe Edition; or just start with this "Pastichio Medley" I’ve read so much about (today) (on Wikipedia)?
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Saturday, 5 September 2020 02:59 (three years ago) link
The instrumental gravity demos are tite
― brimstead, Saturday, 5 September 2020 03:05 (three years ago) link
you mean the mellon collie deluxe bonus tracks? ehhhh. i would just listen to aeroplane?
brimstead is right that the gravity demos are tight but that's like superfan shit
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 September 2020 03:07 (three years ago) link
aw guess those are on the aeroplane flies high deluxe ed
― brimstead, Saturday, 5 September 2020 03:07 (three years ago) link
Cool, thanks, I’ll check out Aeroplane
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Saturday, 5 September 2020 03:29 (three years ago) link
the best mcis b-sides are as follows: "mouths of babes," "set the ray to jerry," "cherry," "aeroplane flies high," "the boy," the entire tonight tonight ep minus "blank"
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 September 2020 03:36 (three years ago) link
i sometimes feel like i'm the only person who loves "transformer" but "transformer"
oh and "pennies" and "marquis in spades," zero ep is where it's at really
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 September 2020 03:37 (three years ago) link
I'm trying to discern if "Transformer" and "The Bells" have any Lou Reed going on, or if the titles are just a coincidence
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Saturday, 5 September 2020 06:30 (three years ago) link
yeah, "The Boy" and "Pennies" make you go... "he can write songs like that?"
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Saturday, 5 September 2020 06:39 (three years ago) link
“the boy” was written by james iha tbf
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 September 2020 12:16 (three years ago) link
no ruby no cred― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, September 4, 2020 9:35 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, September 4, 2020 9:35 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
― Western® with Bacon Flavor, Saturday, 5 September 2020 13:21 (three years ago) link
I had the CD version of MCIS growing up but i think I prefer the track order on the vinyl version
― trapped out the barndo (crüt), Saturday, 5 September 2020 14:15 (three years ago) link
Set the Ray to Jerry and Pennies are perhaps two of my favorite Smashing Pumpkins songs and I didn’t get to hear them long after my teenage MCIS obsession had passed. I always wonder if my opinion on them would be the same if they had been included in the album.
― ✖✖✖ (Moka), Saturday, 5 September 2020 14:32 (three years ago) link
I'm trying to discern if "Transformer" and "The Bells" have any Lou Reed going on
"transformer" is def a glam rock move
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 5 September 2020 15:12 (three years ago) link
“the boy” was written by james iha tbfAhhh
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Saturday, 5 September 2020 15:56 (three years ago) link
“medillia of the gray skies” is a killer bside too
― brimstead, Saturday, 5 September 2020 21:06 (three years ago) link
Ah, on the tonite tonite EP as brad mentioned
― brimstead, Saturday, 5 September 2020 21:07 (three years ago) link
OK, I'm adding "Ruby" into my MCIS playlist (I can haz cred now?)
― “Pizza House!” (morrisp), Tuesday, 8 September 2020 17:30 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW7qkjCiKXo
― Just a few slices of apple, Servant. Thank you. How delicious. (stevie), Friday, 18 September 2020 09:59 (three years ago) link
Lol so he ditched the "Shiny and Oh So Bright" continuing volume conceit already, even though he's keeping the similar artwork?
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 18 September 2020 17:04 (three years ago) link
that would be extremely in character of him, cf. oceania being a part of "teargarden by kaleidyscope"; the day for night project
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 18 September 2020 17:07 (three years ago) link
oh yeah, this is one artist that needs to stop announcing grand plans
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 18 September 2020 17:23 (three years ago) link
The one thing Gerard Way is always going to have over Billy: when the former comes up with ideas for grand schemes he actually DOES make comic books and TV series out of them.
― Ned Raggett, Friday, 18 September 2020 17:29 (three years ago) link
Who are some other artists who reached dazzling, dizzying artistic heights with a singular, indelible sound for a 3-4 year period... and then fell way, way, way, all the way down but kept on trucking (and somehow garnering attention) for literal decades, like Billy Corgan? (Bonus points if they, too, also became reactionary lunatics in the process, too.)
― Soundslike, Friday, 18 September 2020 17:44 (three years ago) link
Van Morrison?
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Friday, 18 September 2020 18:24 (three years ago) link
the working title for the new album was Shiny and Oh So Bright vol. 2 & 3 but completely unsurprising that billy got bored of that already
― ufo, Saturday, 19 September 2020 00:56 (three years ago) link
lots of mid/late 70s and 80s van rules hard
― brimstead, Saturday, 19 September 2020 01:29 (three years ago) link