Steely Dan: "Steely Dan's name has been popping up as a hip musical crush. Remember, this glossy bop-pop was the indifferent aristocracy to punk rock's stone-throwing in the late 70's. People fought

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The list I put together a few years ago.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 28 August 2020 00:40 (three years ago) link

A tape of the "lost" song "Second Arrangement" (from the Gaucho sessions) has been found.

but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 28 August 2020 00:45 (three years ago) link

I WANT I WANT I WANT

thewufs, Friday, 28 August 2020 01:11 (three years ago) link

For a few years there I was hoping that Don & Walt would pull a Van Halen and fabricate a new record from fully-realized recreations of 70s demos. Most hardcore fans of bands apparently don’t want things like this (see “Brian Wilson Presents SMiLE.”) But I did.

thewufs, Friday, 28 August 2020 01:16 (three years ago) link

I'm obsessed with Kings right now. This is definitely getting played when you-know-who moves on.

lukas, Friday, 28 August 2020 01:31 (three years ago) link

Always wondered if that song was a Nixon-Kennedy allegory

thewufs, Friday, 28 August 2020 01:33 (three years ago) link

i was first getting into steely dan when the big poll ran. i missed it. :( i suppose i'll be here again when the 20th anniversary of the ILM poll comes up

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Friday, 28 August 2020 01:35 (three years ago) link

Which probably wouldn’t make sense since King Richard of America came after King John. But the 1972 release date makes you wonder. That’s early Watergate territory - was anyone prescient enough then to see the writing on the wall?

thewufs, Friday, 28 August 2020 01:38 (three years ago) link

Give us your list dude!

thewufs, Friday, 28 August 2020 01:38 (three years ago) link

can’t believe they found second arrangement, praise be

whiney on the moon (voodoo chili), Friday, 28 August 2020 02:57 (three years ago) link

I don’t get it. They erased it but there were prior copies? The engineer brought them home but didn’t tell Fagen he had those backups?

licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 28 August 2020 06:45 (three years ago) link

It's a take home reference mix on a C-90, so obviously not up to the Dan's exacting audio standards.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 28 August 2020 13:15 (three years ago) link

yeah, in that case I don't get the fuss, either. How much better is this likely to sound than the rough mix that has been circulating on bootlegs for decades?

Paul Ponzi, Friday, 28 August 2020 13:20 (three years ago) link

The c90 would be the original performance and rough mix, not the complete recreation of the performance from scratch post-erasure, which is the version we all know.

calstars, Friday, 28 August 2020 13:50 (three years ago) link

two months pass...

I have identified the 10 best Steely Dan songs. You're welcome.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:15 (three years ago) link

hard to argue with any of those inclusions!

and holy cow, i didn't know about the Jarrett lift for "Gaucho." the original track is super lovely, i'm gonna seek out that LP.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:30 (three years ago) link

also, i like the point about how few of their protags are people i'm straightforwardly rooting for - though i'd say that Kid Charlemagne has a kind of doomed underdog quality, the world's changed out from under him, and while the Dan are sneering at the earlier sense that the good times would never end, it's not clear that they're siding with the formerly-hip or the cops.

a thing i really like in their songs is this blend of unsentimental recognition of failings and pretensions, laid out brutally in the lyrics, with a measure of empathy that i think actually comes through more in the arrangements and performance somehow.

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:38 (three years ago) link

Agreed, great list.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:39 (three years ago) link

i haven't actually heard gaucho though i was obsessed with aja for a while when i lived in l.a., so those two gaucho tracks have a sound i associate with a very specific, happy time of my life - riding down sunset on the bus at twilight, trudging manically drunk down long, foggy, empty l.a. sidewalks, etc. i thought "gaucho" the song was going to be relatable since it's from a gay pov but those kinds of rich daddy stories just dispirit me tbh. gorgeous song though. i should really get copies of gaucho and aja. never cared as much for the shaggier stuff tbh. i don't really know why i stopped going with steely dan, other than i wasn't getting as much out of their social universe as i used to when i first discovered them, when it was like going to a fancy college and having intelligent, sophisticated friends for the first time.

fleet doxes (map), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:51 (three years ago) link

those kinds of rich daddy stories just dispirit me tbh

It's one of their saddest songs, really.

but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 18:54 (three years ago) link

yeah, like, that poor kid. sad lol

fleet doxes (map), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 19:00 (three years ago) link

My reading of it is Donald's breakup song to Walter for his junk habit and the colorful characters that accompany such a habit.

Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 19:02 (three years ago) link

haha. if i hear any 70s song with a gay pov i inevitably imagine it's david geffen.

fleet doxes (map), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 19:06 (three years ago) link

Steely Dan were probably the first band where I collected all their records (that existed at the time). This is a worthy list, but I've always absolutely hated Gaucho the song from the moment I heard it (I don't like the Jarrett song either). It's complete self-parody to me, and the one song where they actually tip the balance into the mid-afternoon 70s talk show themes that haters accused them of. The lyrics are nothing special and the scenario doesn't inspire me either.

My actual favourite song might be Boston Rag. Best song of the reunion years is Lunch with Gina.

Halfway there but for you, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 19:09 (three years ago) link

I'm entitled to be smug about my affection for Gaucho on this message board.

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 19:10 (three years ago) link

Also, "Gaucho" and "Third World Man" often tie for favorite Dan ballad. Terrific blurb, Phil.

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 19:12 (three years ago) link

i karaoke-d "deacon blues" at a downtown la bar one night, it was still early and 80% empty though i was drunk already, and afterward the guy running the party came up to me and said "that was .. really sad." haha.

xp alfred i remember reading some very interesting things you wrote about the album on here or on your blog, way back when.

fleet doxes (map), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 19:14 (three years ago) link

Steely Dan’s album Gaucho turned 40 over the weekend, which means it’s time for Gaucho to get really into Steely Dan

— Clue Heywood (@ClueHeywood) November 24, 2020

Change Display Name: (stevie), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 20:25 (three years ago) link

I'd never heard that Jarrett track, and uh yeah, I'm glad he got credit.

Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 20:27 (three years ago) link

sadly and predictably, if you look that track up on youtube, 2/3 of the comments are dudes arguing that they sound nothing alike and that Steely Dan were ripped off

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 23:09 (three years ago) link

they totally sound alike wtf

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 23:14 (three years ago) link

belonging is an amazing record front-to-back, great ecm gateway

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 23:16 (three years ago) link

but the Becker and Fagen of 2000’s Grammy-winning Two Against Nature and 2003’s Everything Must Go had developed a smirky, Sparks-ish self-awareness, and the music had become as boring as the duo’s detractors had always accused the earlier records of being.

gah so otm. i really tried with these, but all it ever did was make me rush right back to the OG run. and sometimes Nightfly

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 23:32 (three years ago) link

Great write-up, thanks!

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 23:41 (three years ago) link

I'd also never realized Michael McDonald did guest vocals on "Peg," which, wow.

healthy cocaine off perfect butts (the table is the table), Wednesday, 25 November 2020 23:47 (three years ago) link

oh man you have GOTTA watch the Classic Albums doc on Aja, it's worth it for the knob-twiddling scene on those backing vocals alone. I almost can't hear the song without hearing those blurts of "All in 3D! For-eign moo-vee!"

Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 25 November 2020 23:52 (three years ago) link

agreed. that and Bernard Purdie putting on a clinic

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 26 November 2020 00:10 (three years ago) link

i really tried with these, but all it ever did was make me rush right back to the OG run. and sometimes Nightfly

I actually like 3 out of 4 Fagen solo albums (only Kamakiriad sucks), so it pains me that 2000s SD was so weak.

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 26 November 2020 00:12 (three years ago) link

kamakiriad is great cf. "springtime," "snowbound," "on the dunes." morph the cat is the lesser fagen solo record

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 26 November 2020 00:14 (three years ago) link

Sunken Condos is really good

I like 2AN though

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 26 November 2020 00:22 (three years ago) link

oh yeah the Purdie stuff is incredible. also them digging into the mix of whatever song and discovering weird shit they didn't use. "is that a celeste?" "oh now here's a different solo, do you remember this?" etc.

Doctor Casino, Thursday, 26 November 2020 00:25 (three years ago) link

I think I remember liking the lead off single from 2AN, but there didn’t seem to be much to sink my teeth into on 00s Dan

A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 26 November 2020 00:29 (three years ago) link

i find two against nature too mannered and averse to hooks at points but as i've certainly already said on this thread and others, "jack of speed" and "west of hollywood" are primo dan

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 26 November 2020 00:38 (three years ago) link

everything must go is a chill record with solid songs, curiously worse than every fagen solo record barring morph, but i still like it a lot

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 26 November 2020 00:39 (three years ago) link

Both Becker solo albums are better than any of the Fagen albums, although possibly none of Becker's songs are as good as New Frontier, and none of Fagen's are as bad as Cringemaker. Becker's voice was criticized by some, but I can't imagine anyone singing these songs with more nuance and depth.

Halfway there but for you, Thursday, 26 November 2020 01:29 (three years ago) link

yeah, no. Everything Must Go >>>>>>>>>>>> Two Against Nature.

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 November 2020 01:38 (three years ago) link

"Jack of Speed" was the only latter-day SD song I even considered.

but also fuck you (unperson), Thursday, 26 November 2020 01:43 (three years ago) link

xp alfred i remember reading some very interesting things you wrote about the album on here or on your blog, way back when.

― fleet doxes (map)

aw, thanks! Maybe here?.

Patriotic Goiter (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 26 November 2020 14:09 (three years ago) link

(only Kamakiriad sucks)

Both Becker solo albums are better than any of the Fagen albums

so, so very wrong

Paul Ponzi, Thursday, 26 November 2020 14:34 (three years ago) link

yeah i love the becker solo records and i can't get down with that

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 26 November 2020 14:37 (three years ago) link


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