What are Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Flaws?

after the way CBP treated her on that tour and posted about her on their secret FB pages, I do worry about her safety, often. thanks to all of the edgelords employed in our government

don't know exactly what professional managerial class means in the the context of my work but I want to reiterate that I love AOC

u down with AOC?

weird seeing people on ilx treat her like a true radical who'll scare off the professional managerial class while every hardcore leftist i encounter on twitter calls her an empty sellout to the professional managerial class

not down with AOC? :(

aoc is definitely beloved by a lot of soft dems who would hate the same policies/stances coming from anyone else strictly because she's a young #fierce #queen and that's all some ppl care about, which, I mean, sure, fine

(it should go without saying but I'll say anyway, that young latinx ppl deriving inspiration from her would be a different/distinct phenomenon and are not the ppl I have in mind here)

These people will not share her political goals.

― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Monday, August 24, 2020 11:42 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

she's a well branded celebrity who the GOP has turned into a top tier boogeyman. they love her! most of 'these people' stop caring about economic policy after primary season anyway

maybe more liberals will start turning on her when she seeks higher office. maybe she's capable of courting such a wide base because deep down no one believes that a single US representative makes a difference in the grand scheme of things. i think a lot of diehard centrists like her because they understand that demsoc ideas aren't going away and they find her a more palatable figurehead than bernie.

weird seeing people on ilx treat her like a true radical who'll scare off the professional managerial class while every hardcore leftist i encounter on twitter calls her an empty sellout to the professional managerial class

This really comes down to where she goes from here. If she appeases and moderates in the interest of furthering her career, they "sellouts" will be right. If her political program

I think it's easy for the upper-middle class to 'like' her and give her the Pelosi Jr slay kween treatment despite their interests not really coinciding with her stated platform - because she's one rep who isn't actually representing them. In a hypothetical 2028 Harris/AOC primary matchup I don't think those likes are going to translate into actual real world support.

Like the convention post - she told a bunch of people who don't want to be angry about the DNC that they're right to not be mad or fight about it. Of course they like that!

(And she's gotten a much colder reception from privileged white Democrats when she showed even a hint of rebellion to Pelosi.)

If her political program basically stays the path, the PMC will be scared off.*

if she keeps using filthy language, the PMRC will be too

If she even hinted at anything like the Berniebuster under President Biden, they'd turn on her with a quickness.

you are all so cynical

Anyone who has lived through the last 20-50 years of American life and isn't cynical has way better drug connections than me.

I really don't understand you milo, want to though

I have friends in NY (not republicans) who expressed resentment to me about her for the role they perceived she had in banishing Amazon

how do they feel about her now that Amazon has hugely increased its office space and employee numbers in NYC without being given giant taxpayer handouts?

xp For my entire life we've stumbled from crime against humanity to crime against humanity externally while inequality explodes internally, life gets harder for most people decade over decade, climate change looms unchecked, the very possibility of a better world gets more and more remote.

can't argue

As a non-American who finds US politics intensely depressing, it's just such a relief to see someone obviously intelligent and expressing principles rather than basing every position on who funds her campaigns. See also: Katie Porter.

If multiple Clinton16/Warren20 people on this thread are pro AOC this is surely a good thing. If she can simultaneously appeal to both liberals and people on the left thats good not bad?

And trying to persuade liberals she 'isn't what they think she is', or downplay any positive thoughts from that quarter seems counter-productive?

I think people know who she is by now, particularly here, and it’s really patronizing and paternalistic to assume we don’t.

100%, especially as everyone sees things through different lenses, none of which are any more true than any other. Someone who is able to appeal across different lenses is someone with good reach!

Definitely a scenario for accuentating the positives

it's almost like the left would rather be permanently aggrieved than win

Well, what's to "win" in a world that's already doomed? This isn't politics, it's apocalyptic millenarianism with a side of ego-stroking. "There's nothing to be done, the system is hopelessly corrupt and the planet is beyond saving...but I'm still purer than/superior to you."

it's almost like the left would rather be permanently aggrieved than win

AOC seems focused on goals to me, I'm not seeing an aggrieved way of thinking present at all!

That was a reference to certain posters in this thread, not AOC.

Apologies, I misread who you meant. After I clicked submit I thought that didn't seem quite right and that you must be referring to others but by then I had already clicked

This isn't politics

are we supposed to be doing "politics" here?

xpost I wasn't talking about AOC! she's the best

wasn't talking about ppl itt but the ppl mentioned who apparently think AOC is a sellout

Well, what's to "win" in a world that's already doomed?

Winning is for losers iirc.

xp sorry ums I conflated your post w unperson's

yeah, AOC is the opposite of all the aggrieved polit. posters here who would rather speculate themselves into submission.

getting a little tired of all this winning!

booming post.

wasn't talking about ppl itt but the ppl mentioned who apparently think AOC is a sellout

While such people surely exist are the numerous enough to be significant? Unless they are important or significant enough to address directly it can lead to misunderstanding about who is meant

Apologies if they were mentioned and I missed it

some unknown number of them have been seen by someone on twitter at some point; therefore speculation about their beliefs and motivation should drive all political discussion on ilx

yeah, AOC is the opposite of all the aggrieved polit. posters here who would rather speculate themselves into submission.

― Yerac, Tuesday, August 25, 2020 8:29 AM (one hour ago)

heavily otm

AOC would have talked herself out of running, had she listened to hardcore left twitter. so who the fuck cares what they think about her?

also, paranormal sci-fi thought: if a hardcore left didn't exist to pre-emptively decide that AOC sucks, a new hardcore left would invent herself in order to do it. the law of humanity is this: everyone has to be criticized heavily from at least one side, preferably from all sides. absolutely everyone. there is no hope. the cold reality of there being no hope and no future will create itself, if it is not being heard

#voteAOC

so who the cares what they think about her?

I've no idea!

hek

AOC is a sellout, P.S. my opinions are not so much reasoned observations but rather projections of my addiction to misery.

If 99% of Democrats are hopeless sellouts and delusional incrementalists who aren't worth engaging with, how do the remaining 1% manage to get anything done? Or is the idea of "getting things done" itself delusional, given that Everything Is Fucked and We're All Doomed?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qeWduNomDqY

As they are never named specifically and we never find out who they are this may be difficult information to come by

the answer is cryptopolitics, with every political transaction publicly recorded on the blockchain