What are Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Flaws?

You'll have to pry criticism and cultural criticism from my cold dead hands.

It will survive as a hobby of the educated elite but it doesn’t feel central to the culture. When I used to lurk, the posting wasn’t necessarily “better,” but the conversations seemed more vital. It felt like something was at stake.

Oh! You mean as a mass cultural experience. Well, it hasn't been the same since (a) Telecommunications Act (b) CIA stopped supporting centers of culture (magazines, museums, journals, etc).

I don’t know if this is just a thing with me, and my attention personally drifting toward politics (in the narrow electoral sense). It feels bigger.

I think about this a lot, too. Also unsure whether it's just me (perhaps a function of getting older?) or a broader cultural development wherein all politics is culture and all culture is politics.

I have noticed myself drifting more towards overtly politicized art/music this year.

When I used to lurk, the posting wasn’t necessarily “better,” but the conversations seemed more vital. It felt like something was at stake.

i think what you're talking about is real, to an extent, but i also think it's heavily affected by getting older.

we've lost a lot of good posters tbf

remember the halcyon days of reading a 4 paragraph nabisco post and thinking or posting "nabisco otm" after it

He was someone who helped me remember that real, careful, and aware listening can really matter. That your life can be deepened. That sounds cheesy but it’s true—he is that kind of writer.

I've been reading more political blogs than film/music ones for at least a dozen years, but this fact doesn't mean anything by itself.

ILM's 'decline' correlates directly to alt-weekly budget cutbacks AFAICT, all the regional editors and columnists had to get jobs outside of journalism supported by escort ads.

Art became highly politicized during the 1930s, too. I suspect the onset of "culture war" in US politics has been a significant driver of the current trend treeship is decrying.

Art has always been highly politicized.

The degree of politicization seems to wax and wane, as societies feel either more or less stable, unified and secure.

Art is inherently political, but "political art" is usually shit.

agreed and would go w “almost always”

Buncha “A Change Is Gonna Come” haters in here.

‘Current events’ art is often bad, not political art.

Good distinction.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgDs8l2XgAEYdzU.jpg

She's otm and struck the right notes.

how is she this good

sorry, off-topic

i never got into ilx politics threads, i think the time i was most invested and reading regularly was c. 2012 election when then-under-30 poster iatee and then-over-30 poster ice cr?m had a fun dialogue going on. it was the golden age of nate silver; i learned a lot and was entertained. in general though the politics threads seemed full of groany cynicical humor

in terms of academic and policy side of politics on the internet more broadly, things are pretty good rn imho. in part this is due to lots of smart academics entering discussions on twitter and becoming more engaged, but also the usual uncredentialed autodidact blogger-type people. there are also a bunch of gen-z kids who migrated to twitter from somewhere on reddit who have a kind of analytic socialist meme style that i enjoy a lot, and learn neat facts about social democracy around the world from.

i read great stuff pretty much every day. it’s more long-term policy stuff and less day-to-day rat-race strategic stuff so ymmv. despite the “culture war” being really big, it’s still possible to block most of it out. the trick is, you can’t just unfollow direct perpetuators (woke ppl and ppl who talk about how woke ppl have gone too far) u also need to unfollow the ppl who constantly post about how exasperated they are with the culture war

AOC rocks

miss you, flopson

aw, thx Al :‘)

fwiw i will never stop posting. i use a content blocker that blocks ilx and many other sites from 8am-10pm PST Mon-Fri to force myself to write my thesis. but im checking this shit at 10:01PM every night, on weekends, and if i wake up early and have time

AOC OTM

AOC is a future President

I've never felt so invested in a politician
which is dangerous I know but wow she's great

Rep. @AOC @RepAOC: "Can we get a commitment from you to submit your calendar dating back to June 16th to this committee?"@USPS Postmaster General DeJoy: "I don't know. I'll check with counsel. I don't want to set a precedent..."

Full video here: https://t.co/FpSllfZzV3 pic.twitter.com/r1uhsFBRVf

— CSPAN (@cspan) August 24, 2020

she's smooth

I would watch an AOC/Katie Porter legislative drama

and she gets the accessibility ramp for the jackson heights post office on the way out her door

*tip of the hat*

she seems v determined to not make needless enemies which I personally cannot relate to at all but is probably smart

Women make automatic enemies by virtue of their gender.

yeah, the tone she took there is the only one that wouldn't be judged SHRILL AND JUDGMENTAL in replay... and likely will anyway!

she speaks to these chuds like the 3AM bartender who is growing increasingly aggravated that the drunk bros won't leave nicely (i have been on the receiving end of this tone of voice; i am observing this admiringly)

i get that women have to hew to a higher standard because of sexism but i still think she's exceptionally good at this in a way i've never seen before and i would be completely thrilled if she ever made it to a presidential ballot. basically this:

I've never felt so invested in a politician
which is dangerous I know but wow she's great

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, August 24, 2020 2:16 PM (eight hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

the democrats as they are right now though would never accept aoc as their candidate

Why do you think that? I'm a 2016 Clinton 2020 Warren guy who really likes Barack Obama and Joe Biden, I give money to candidates up and down the ballot, I could not be more "the Democrats as they are right now" and I will be over the moon when we nominate Ocasio-Cortez. As everybody in this thread says, she is GOOD at this. There are not many natural political talents like hers and Obama's. When you have one of those people in the party, they run and they win.

haha holy shit really? are you familiar with her core positions and how invested the dnc is in making sure they never happen?

xp And Obama and Harris and whoever else are the old senior Democrats when she runs will be cheering her on.

omfg *dies*

lol

Barack Obama, who only intervened in politics to forestall the possibility of a Democratic candidate who espouses AOC's positions, will be "cheering her on."

u high bro

The knock on the DNC is that it consists of and is run for people like me. (over 45, professional job, homeowner.) I think that's a fair knock. But the people I know are all pretty psyched about Ocasio-Cortez. So why wouldn't the DNC be?

They’re going to do everything they can to quietly undermine her if they can’t drag her to the center. She’s too much of a celeb right now to really fuck with her ala... the rest of the squad.

The people you know are cooler than the DNC.

(The knock on the DNC is that it’s run by and for the millionaires and billionaires of the donor class.)

aoc is very close ideologically to sanders and all signs so far point to her walking that walk. so no, obama is not going to be cheering her on unless that changes. and also if that doesn't change i would bet against her being a presidential candidate for the democrats.

Pelosi choosing Kennedy over Markey -- even intervening in this primary battle in the first place! -- tells you what you need to know about how the top brass regards troublemakers.

frankly I'd rather she become the mcconnel for the left