there is a way. but it isn't easy. and once it's done, you can't go back.
― treeship., Friday, 21 August 2020 03:09 (three years ago) link
haven't none of y'all done a multi-level marketing scheme before
― muntjac wagner (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 August 2020 03:12 (three years ago) link
get twenty people below you and start pumpin'!
― muntjac wagner (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 August 2020 03:13 (three years ago) link
let's quit beating around the bush and get down to it
we have to a fundraising campaign to raise at least $5000 US dollars
then we have to run a google ad campaign, focused on the 20-29 sector
and in order to target that campaign, we're gonna need to figure out, as 30+ people, what kinds of products that 20-29 year olds are interested in
― The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Friday, 21 August 2020 03:15 (three years ago) link
and waht a WAP is
― muntjac wagner (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 August 2020 03:16 (three years ago) link
we can probably figure out what the young people are interested in using only social media
― The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Friday, 21 August 2020 03:16 (three years ago) link
I got into ilx at age 19 because I found the MIA thread fascinating. And I was impressed when I found out some of the posters were pro music journalists. (Embarrassing but true). Today seeing media people talk about stuff behind the scenes has less novelty.
― treeship., Friday, 21 August 2020 03:22 (three years ago) link
In general, the art of debate on like cultural issues seems, idk, become disenchanting. Maybe just for me. But to get new posters we need better thread to get lurkers hooked.
― treeship., Friday, 21 August 2020 03:25 (three years ago) link
first thread....is free.
― muntjac wagner (Neanderthal), Friday, 21 August 2020 03:29 (three years ago) link
You're going to need upvotes or likes to hook the kids, maybe a heart react.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 21 August 2020 03:35 (three years ago) link
I used to be under 30 and I used to be interesting, not sure whether at the same time
― Guayaquil (eephus!), Friday, 21 August 2020 05:16 (three years ago) link
Stay under 30 as long as you can, strive to be interesting whenever
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Friday, 21 August 2020 05:18 (three years ago) link
I feel like k3vin has a predefined idea of “interesting” though tbf
― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Friday, 21 August 2020 05:19 (three years ago) link
as we all do
probably, and as someone on the wrong side of 30 myself who mostly recycles his same stale viewpoints I’m obviously not holding myself up as some sort of example of what we’re missing. I just think sometimes about the sorts of impassioned discussions we tend to have about the future of the democratic party (actually what I thought this thread was when I made that post), something we’re obviously all very invested in, and then consider the irony given the narrow range of mostly white, middle-aged viewpoints we can offer. obviously I love this place or I wouldn’t be here
― k3vin k., Friday, 21 August 2020 13:53 (three years ago) link
The problem is, our culture has been supplanted by politics. Art of any kind has never felt more marginal. There are no subcultures that are not political subcultures. So conversation in general now is not as interesting—everything feels stale or ominous.
― treeship., Friday, 21 August 2020 16:38 (three years ago) link
I wrote a longish op-ed for a small online journal recently connected to issues in contemporary architecture and design and the kind of cultural politics therein, and, I was happy with it, this is the kind of stuff i’m into, but it felt very irrelevant. And 10 years ago if i wrote a similar piece i would have been more excited to have hammered my ideas on this issue into prose. Now it just feels like—what does this have to do with “real issues”?
I don’t know if this is just a thing with me, and my attention personally drifting toward politics (in the narrow electoral sense). It feels bigger.
― treeship., Friday, 21 August 2020 16:42 (three years ago) link
And anyway this is a critics’ messageboard. So if the critic is marginalized, or the critic has just become a pundit, then this place is by definition dead.
― treeship., Friday, 21 August 2020 16:43 (three years ago) link
You'll have to pry criticism and cultural criticism from my cold dead hands.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 August 2020 16:44 (three years ago) link
It will survive as a hobby of the educated elite but it doesn’t feel central to the culture. When I used to lurk, the posting wasn’t necessarily “better,” but the conversations seemed more vital. It felt like something was at stake.
― treeship., Friday, 21 August 2020 16:45 (three years ago) link
Oh! You mean as a mass cultural experience. Well, it hasn't been the same since (a) Telecommunications Act (b) CIA stopped supporting centers of culture (magazines, museums, journals, etc).
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 August 2020 16:46 (three years ago) link
I think about this a lot, too. Also unsure whether it's just me (perhaps a function of getting older?) or a broader cultural development wherein all politics is culture and all culture is politics.
― jaymc, Friday, 21 August 2020 16:47 (three years ago) link
I have noticed myself drifting more towards overtly politicized art/music this year.
― unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Friday, 21 August 2020 16:50 (three years ago) link
When I used to lurk, the posting wasn’t necessarily “better,” but the conversations seemed more vital. It felt like something was at stake.
i think what you're talking about is real, to an extent, but i also think it's heavily affected by getting older.
― The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Friday, 21 August 2020 16:52 (three years ago) link
we've lost a lot of good posters tbf
― Temporary Erogenous Zone (jim in vancouver), Friday, 21 August 2020 16:53 (three years ago) link
remember the halcyon days of reading a 4 paragraph nabisco post and thinking or posting "nabisco otm" after it
― Temporary Erogenous Zone (jim in vancouver), Friday, 21 August 2020 16:54 (three years ago) link
He was someone who helped me remember that real, careful, and aware listening can really matter. That your life can be deepened. That sounds cheesy but it’s true—he is that kind of writer.
― treeship., Friday, 21 August 2020 17:00 (three years ago) link
I've been reading more political blogs than film/music ones for at least a dozen years, but this fact doesn't mean anything by itself.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 21 August 2020 17:11 (three years ago) link
ILM's 'decline' correlates directly to alt-weekly budget cutbacks AFAICT, all the regional editors and columnists had to get jobs outside of journalism supported by escort ads.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 21 August 2020 18:15 (three years ago) link
Art became highly politicized during the 1930s, too. I suspect the onset of "culture war" in US politics has been a significant driver of the current trend treeship is decrying.
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Friday, 21 August 2020 18:23 (three years ago) link
Art has always been highly politicized.
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Friday, 21 August 2020 18:25 (three years ago) link
The degree of politicization seems to wax and wane, as societies feel either more or less stable, unified and secure.
― the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Friday, 21 August 2020 18:28 (three years ago) link
Art is inherently political, but "political art" is usually shit.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 21 August 2020 18:29 (three years ago) link
agreed and would go w “almost always”
― syphilitic wolf prose errata (Hadrian VIII), Friday, 21 August 2020 18:42 (three years ago) link
Buncha “A Change Is Gonna Come” haters in here.
‘Current events’ art is often bad, not political art.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 21 August 2020 18:45 (three years ago) link
Good distinction.
― erratic wolf angular guitarist (sic), Friday, 21 August 2020 19:00 (three years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EgDs8l2XgAEYdzU.jpg
― but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 22 August 2020 22:26 (three years ago) link
She's otm and struck the right notes.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 22 August 2020 22:27 (three years ago) link
how is she this good
sorry, off-topic
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 22 August 2020 22:48 (three years ago) link
i never got into ilx politics threads, i think the time i was most invested and reading regularly was c. 2012 election when then-under-30 poster iatee and then-over-30 poster ice cr?m had a fun dialogue going on. it was the golden age of nate silver; i learned a lot and was entertained. in general though the politics threads seemed full of groany cynicical humor
in terms of academic and policy side of politics on the internet more broadly, things are pretty good rn imho. in part this is due to lots of smart academics entering discussions on twitter and becoming more engaged, but also the usual uncredentialed autodidact blogger-type people. there are also a bunch of gen-z kids who migrated to twitter from somewhere on reddit who have a kind of analytic socialist meme style that i enjoy a lot, and learn neat facts about social democracy around the world from.
i read great stuff pretty much every day. it’s more long-term policy stuff and less day-to-day rat-race strategic stuff so ymmv. despite the “culture war” being really big, it’s still possible to block most of it out. the trick is, you can’t just unfollow direct perpetuators (woke ppl and ppl who talk about how woke ppl have gone too far) u also need to unfollow the ppl who constantly post about how exasperated they are with the culture war
AOC rocks
― flopson, Saturday, 22 August 2020 23:04 (three years ago) link
miss you, flopson
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 22 August 2020 23:16 (three years ago) link
aw, thx Al :‘)
fwiw i will never stop posting. i use a content blocker that blocks ilx and many other sites from 8am-10pm PST Mon-Fri to force myself to write my thesis. but im checking this shit at 10:01PM every night, on weekends, and if i wake up early and have time
― flopson, Saturday, 22 August 2020 23:24 (three years ago) link
AOC OTM
― jaymc, Sunday, 23 August 2020 04:19 (three years ago) link
AOC is a future President
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Monday, 24 August 2020 12:35 (three years ago) link
I've never felt so invested in a politicianwhich is dangerous I know but wow she's great
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Monday, 24 August 2020 13:16 (three years ago) link
Rep. @AOC @RepAOC: "Can we get a commitment from you to submit your calendar dating back to June 16th to this committee?"@USPS Postmaster General DeJoy: "I don't know. I'll check with counsel. I don't want to set a precedent..."Full video here: https://t.co/FpSllfZzV3 pic.twitter.com/r1uhsFBRVf— CSPAN (@cspan) August 24, 2020
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 24 August 2020 19:45 (three years ago) link
she's smooth
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Monday, 24 August 2020 19:55 (three years ago) link
I would watch an AOC/Katie Porter legislative drama
― shout-out to his family (DJP), Monday, 24 August 2020 19:56 (three years ago) link
and she gets the accessibility ramp for the jackson heights post office on the way out her door
*tip of the hat*
― The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Monday, 24 August 2020 20:06 (three years ago) link
she seems v determined to not make needless enemies which I personally cannot relate to at all but is probably smart
― unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Monday, 24 August 2020 21:20 (three years ago) link