Rolling weird music 2020

xpost You're welcome; I should check ubuweb more often, mostly wait 'til I catch one of their tweets. Don't know if the Harry Bertoia thread is weird enough for this one, but here's a similar approach to HB's, nice palate cleanser anyway, though my dog doesn't agree:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmrER-1_G9o If it doesn't show, search YouTube for Teaching a Stone to Sing.

Reading the text of Brakhage’s show it reminds me of the conversational tone of Nicholson Baker’s writing, also something about the simply joy of discovering and sharing things of interest

LOVE the singing stones

found a short doc on Sciola pretty quickly, queuing it up now
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkq33RNZpL4

Cool, thx, I came across his shortie whille looking for the film that Sonny Sharrock said Sun Ra showed him, about teaching statues to sing and/or speak. No luck w that yet.
also, do you know these threads?
Harry Bertoia

BERTOIA c/d
Good pix and discussion of some of the albums and other artifacts. What I really like is seeing his creations perform while I'm listening, usually some examples on youtube. He also designed and maybe constructed other things, like furniture and jewelry, prob. non-singing, but wouldn't put it past him.

whoa sewerslvt! I sent that to tim and brad earlier this year lol not sure they liked it but apparently i thought it was interesting enough to send ... going to revisit it

It’s great

Good to know I'm not the only one still skeptical of the Dead.

Respect their fans' contributions to bootleg culture quite a lot, though I truly just don't "get" the music itself. And I really love wanky improv stuff— I have a lot of No-Neck Blues Band records, ffs. I think I just fall more on the electronics, noise and free jazz side of improv, tbh.

admittedly I am only a recent convert to being a stoner but (at least so far) stoned or sober I would rather listen to actual drone music or actual rock music than some mutant amalgam of the two

Same!

Velvet Underground---?

lord I've tried

I don't think for me it has anything to do w/ the specific genre of improv....I took am into NNCK, Jackie O Motherfucker et al...even willfully slipshod "bad" playing e.g. Maher Shalal Hash Baz

my brain just cannot square the way these guys play together. With most improv, jazz or not—even super minimalist stuff like AMM—I'm conscious of an invisible baseline of togetherness somewhere. Like a subtext of tightness, something the band is deviating from. I never have any sense of that with the Dead.

I have wondered over the years if I would feel the same way if they never made an attempt at rock music...like they seem so incapable of swinging when they try to, and I am subconsciously biased/aware of that when they listening to the exploratory stuff.

when they listening

i wonder how much of it is expectations? ... like, as you say, it's not about "improv" -- it sounds like you have certain expectations (or at least aesthetic preferences) of rock music and acceptable adjacent sounds ... whereas the other stuff is subject to different expectations/aesthetics

sorry for butting in

Lol we have a thread for this... it’s probably still on sna ffs

I mean I would like to think at this point in life it’s not about expectations...I generally try to re-approach art that my friends and peers like that doesn’t click for me generously and from a bunch of different angles. I’ve had the experience of a band not matching my expectations and then recalibrating and returning and being totally win over.

I mean I also grew up with the Dead in the air, I had the early records in HS and went to a state school in NE where they are/were ubiquitous, took the requisite acid trip at a stadium show etc. And I like their whole ethos—am attracted to the idea of that subculture.

I just can’t find a way in.

xp I had been reading but steering clear of posting in the Dead thread respectfully, it seems like it’s rolling along w/ real heads and I like that

though maybr this is better for "Bands you keep trying to like but can't get into"

idk i just approach things from the "it's okay if i don't like music i'm supposed to like" perspective and move on ... maybe it's worth analyzing why i don't, maybe that's what's going on with y'all? I generally only do this when it's the music of someone i know personally, and what I think of their music might actually affect them? ... there are definitely a whole cadre of ppl that are into 21st century alt-jam bands that have been recently mentioned here, that won't go near the Dead -- personally, I don't see that big of a difference between them ... but I'm of the "not really a fan of either type" though I find it pleasant enough

I mean the Dead are one of those bands I'm totally "it's okay I don't like this." But I guess generally speaking it has something to do w/ appetite...I'm sometimes reluctant to give up entirely on something other ppl whose opinions I respect are into, in the hopes of expanding/developing my own sensibilities

Am I the only person who hasn't been converted to the Dead?

No. Every time I've tried listening to the Dead, I get maybe a minute or two into it until I realize: why am I listening to this when I can listen to Bardo Pond instead?

it’s ok if you don’t like the dead... is it ok if I like the dead?

I never in a million zillion years thought I’d EVER listen to Tom Waits by choice but here I am getting really into heart of Saturday night. Wtf.

i have always liked Tom Waits

listened to Rain Dogs in full for the first time in decades a week or two back, good times

sleeve -- who was that british guitar dude that did that home concert a month or so ago? fish something or other?

Is this Grateful Dead? Why does everyone call them The Dead?

great question Robert Adam Gilmour, can i call you Bob?

I have no problem with people who are into the Dead. Just don't try to convince me, it's been done too many times.

xp lol

xps Pat Fish a.k.a. The Jazz Butcher!!

yes!! I remember something related to Jazz -- that was quite nice!

meanwhile I kinda just want to listen to TFUL282 I Hope It Lands on repeat -- why? idk

that is the best TFUL282 album

went through that Stan Brakhage series 10 years ago, it comes to mind at the oddest moments, every episode is good

been ransacking everything at this website: http://theatticmag.com/features/2337/'this-is-not-intentionally-music'.-a-cedrik-fermont-interview.html

found website through googling Svitlana Nianio

& sarahell, you see this?

https://pleasekillme.com/pink-section-inflatable-boy-clams/

I keep thinking it must be a different band and it seems like an affectionate name only big fans would use.

Is this Grateful Dead? Why does everyone call them The Dead?

― Robert Adam Gilmour, Friday, August 21, 2020 12:52 PM (nineteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

sorry, i mistyped, meant The Gay Dad

milty -- i got the reissues of those back when my band was a duo -- so 2014? 2015? ... Inflatable Boy Clams was a fave of my bandmate, whose ex-gf is, I think, dating that one guy from the 19th century bullshit band

Whenever I try giving the Dead another chance I end up listening to the Paul Butterfield Blues Band’s ‘East-West’ for the 23806th time.

oh, that reissue came out before "flyergate" -- I think I stopped buying Superior V1aduct releases after flyergate ... geez, it seems surreal to think about the innocent times of flyergate compared to the election, G.S., ... now ...

xxxp lol

Dadheads

anyway -- the way she sings "horrible mistake" on that song ... sigh, the best.

Oh mom, get back to me, bring me some snacks
What I want to do in Marin is to relax
Oh yeah I dig Marin, the views... are good
And everything is bettering me, I mean I feel, yeah, yeah yeah yeah yeah

God, I love Inflatable Boy Clams.

Same here. I remember playing them for a date once and he was so obsessed with I'm Sorry that we listened to it a few times while getting ridiculously baked. We set the fire alarm off lol

Sarahell will know this person, too, which helps make the story funnier for the two of us.

omg who?!!!!!

table is the table was at the first gig my band played!

the way she sings "horrible mistake" on that song ... sigh, the best.

<3 <3 <3 <3 <3

best fucking band

at the 2004 reunion show in PDX this dude got up on stage, went around, and hugged each member individually. random fan otm.