What are Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Flaws?

TBH the only good outcome of the pandemic is forcing everyone to travel less

Like, does MPLS BLM get anywhere near the concessions they've gotten if a mob hadn't burned down that police station?

Probably not, but it’s also worth noting that the agenda item was already on the Minneapolis city council radar and the unrest pushed the priority. As you said, violent and nonviolent go hand in hand.

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honestly, what worries me a lot is calls from the center to denounce violence. i _really_ do not want violence, but i also recognize the really negative effects calling for denunciations has. it not just makes the non-violent left collectively responsible, but individuals personally responsible. it's, particularly, this thing that i see a _lot_ in white liberals where they want to assert control over the acceptable boundaries of debate.

and it _is_ a framing thing. we all accept the historical narrative that the participants in the birmingham campaign were non-violent. however, some participants in that campaign did commit violent acts. they were met with overwhelming force on the part of the civil authorities, but more importantly, people didn't _talk_ about them. the conversation wasn't _centered_ around them. nobody said "dr. king, how can you say your movement is non-violent, here is a black man on the streets violently attacking the police?" everybody looked at bull connor and his police and his fire-hoses.

the center these days, it seems to me, are giving a lot more intense scrutiny to the scattered violent radicals.

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is what i get for using the word "everybody"

i'm talking more, like, cronkite

centrists today seem to have a lot more in common with the birmingham news editorial cartoonist

Beautiful Palmer method handwriting, though!

oh there will be violence

it just can't be initiated by the seekers of change

It's arguably already been initiated by those in power a billion times over.

certainly

the great mass of Americans havent gotten that til now, Many still don't.

We've had 90 days running of peaceful protestors rioted against by cops, and about a dozen instances of protestors breaking windows and burning one police station in that time.

the center these days, it seems to me, are giving a lot more intense scrutiny to the scattered violent radicals.

It was striking to me that the DNC has not been shying away from the protests at all, but rather has leaned into them and asserted that the Democratic Party is the party that backs justice for George Floyd and deplores the suppression of peaceful protests by militarized cops. Not one mention of violence, window-breaking, etc. Biden said "no place for violence in the movement" back at the beginning of June; so were Black community leaders in my city. But he and the Dem party generally seem pretty clearly to have appropriately resisted the idea that every single statement of organized community protest has to be paired with "to be sure don't bust up immigrants' downtown stores."

it is conversations like today’s that make me despair that ilx lacks any interesting posters under 30

No one is keeping you here

ilx lacks any interesting posters under 30

and yet, we seem to still have some posters under 30 who are participating in this thread. it is puzzling.

I really hope a few people under 30 are here and reading this thread

Lol u gonna flex after last night? Ok

sorry I was out of line last night

If you could go find an interesting poster under 30 and make them join ILX, I’m pretty sure all would be forgiven

i will start a call of duty twitch stream to recruit new posters

Phil Collins

Poach posters from the US Army Twitch channel. They’re likely to have new and interesting viewpoints for ILX.

has anyone tried to actually recruit people or this just idle talk

because there are ways to do it. it can be done.

what do you have in mind, treesh

there is a way. but it isn't easy. and once it's done, you can't go back.

haven't none of y'all done a multi-level marketing scheme before

get twenty people below you and start pumpin'!

let's quit beating around the bush and get down to it

we have to a fundraising campaign to raise at least $5000 US dollars

then we have to run a google ad campaign, focused on the 20-29 sector

and in order to target that campaign, we're gonna need to figure out, as 30+ people, what kinds of products that 20-29 year olds are interested in

and waht a WAP is

we can probably figure out what the young people are interested in using only social media

I got into ilx at age 19 because I found the MIA thread fascinating. And I was impressed when I found out some of the posters were pro music journalists. (Embarrassing but true). Today seeing media people talk about stuff behind the scenes has less novelty.

In general, the art of debate on like cultural issues seems, idk, become disenchanting. Maybe just for me. But to get new posters we need better thread to get lurkers hooked.

first thread....is free.

You're going to need upvotes or likes to hook the kids, maybe a heart react.

I used to be under 30 and I used to be interesting, not sure whether at the same time

Stay under 30 as long as you can, strive to be interesting whenever

I feel like k3vin has a predefined idea of “interesting” though tbf

as we all do

probably, and as someone on the wrong side of 30 myself who mostly recycles his same stale viewpoints I’m obviously not holding myself up as some sort of example of what we’re missing. I just think sometimes about the sorts of impassioned discussions we tend to have about the future of the democratic party (actually what I thought this thread was when I made that post), something we’re obviously all very invested in, and then consider the irony given the narrow range of mostly white, middle-aged viewpoints we can offer. obviously I love this place or I wouldn’t be here

The problem is, our culture has been supplanted by politics. Art of any kind has never felt more marginal. There are no subcultures that are not political subcultures. So conversation in general now is not as interesting—everything feels stale or ominous.

I wrote a longish op-ed for a small online journal recently connected to issues in contemporary architecture and design and the kind of cultural politics therein, and, I was happy with it, this is the kind of stuff i’m into, but it felt very irrelevant. And 10 years ago if i wrote a similar piece i would have been more excited to have hammered my ideas on this issue into prose. Now it just feels like—what does this have to do with “real issues”?

I don’t know if this is just a thing with me, and my attention personally drifting toward politics (in the narrow electoral sense). It feels bigger.

And anyway this is a critics’ messageboard. So if the critic is marginalized, or the critic has just become a pundit, then this place is by definition dead.

You'll have to pry criticism and cultural criticism from my cold dead hands.

It will survive as a hobby of the educated elite but it doesn’t feel central to the culture. When I used to lurk, the posting wasn’t necessarily “better,” but the conversations seemed more vital. It felt like something was at stake.

Oh! You mean as a mass cultural experience. Well, it hasn't been the same since (a) Telecommunications Act (b) CIA stopped supporting centers of culture (magazines, museums, journals, etc).

I don’t know if this is just a thing with me, and my attention personally drifting toward politics (in the narrow electoral sense). It feels bigger.

I think about this a lot, too. Also unsure whether it's just me (perhaps a function of getting older?) or a broader cultural development wherein all politics is culture and all culture is politics.

I have noticed myself drifting more towards overtly politicized art/music this year.

When I used to lurk, the posting wasn’t necessarily “better,” but the conversations seemed more vital. It felt like something was at stake.

i think what you're talking about is real, to an extent, but i also think it's heavily affected by getting older.