What are Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's Flaws?

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Come back, shame.

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we can have a peaceful revolution whenever carey mulligan wraps up her take on "new york, new york"

This is why the next American revolution (if any) has GOT to be nonviolent.

I believe we are on the same page here but it bears explicit statement: “nonviolent” does not mean “absent of violence”. It means violence is not a tactic you use. You invite violence upon yourself in order to turn public opinion against the perpetrators of said violence.

(Otherwise, you are advocating for people to vote. This is important and necessary but it’s not a “revolution”.)

I believe we are on the same page here but it bears explicit statement: “nonviolent” does not mean “absent of violence”. It means violence is not a tactic you use. You invite violence upon yourself in order to turn public opinion against the perpetrators of said violence.

― shout-out to his family (DJP)

to build on this, non-violence is not something that just happens on an individual level. it requires organization, discipline, and leadership. the left doesn't have any of those things right now. i would be extremely glad to listen to and learn from the expertise and wisdom of the leaders of the democratic party, have been for the past four years, but none has been forthcoming. nothing but circling the wagons, keeping us out. i don't know why, but i suspect it has something to do with their wanting to get paid. so instead of listening to ted wheeler, i listen to jo ann hardesty.

to me, what inspires me is something like the hawaiian revolution. that's what i'd like to see, if not nationwide, than at least implemented in more states than just hawaii. and what was pivotal to me was that the elites of the hawaiian democratic party made sacrifices to support radicals whose ideals they didn't always agree with.

the left doesn’t have organization, discipline and leadership? there are a couple of groundbreaking protest movements i know of that might want to take issue with that statement

it has some of those things but it needs a fuckton more

not to mention material support

With such an ideologically fractured populace with different things at stake it seems inevitable that any "revolution" in America would have to include both violent and non-violent tactics, with those in the non-violent camp more able to extract concessions by casting themselves as the better alternative to larger scale violence. I also would agree more with those arguing to change the system from within if escalating climate catastrophe weren't looming so large over us in the near term. To me it feels like we're running out of time to build the just society that's required to implement the kind of climate mitigation efforts we'll need to avoid the worst kind of dystopic mass suffering imaginable. We don't have time to work within a deeply flawed system that's only going to get more authoritarian as resources get squeezed. I'm a big wuss so it definitely won't be me to start a violent revolution but I'm having a hard time seeing how we make it without one.

the left doesn’t have organization, discipline and leadership? there are a couple of groundbreaking protest movements i know of that might want to take issue with that statement

― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand)

ok, let me rephrase. the left badly needs _more_ organization, discipline, and leadership, to build on what it has.

TBH the only good outcome of the pandemic is forcing everyone to travel less

Like, does MPLS BLM get anywhere near the concessions they've gotten if a mob hadn't burned down that police station?

Probably not, but it’s also worth noting that the agenda item was already on the Minneapolis city council radar and the unrest pushed the priority. As you said, violent and nonviolent go hand in hand.

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honestly, what worries me a lot is calls from the center to denounce violence. i _really_ do not want violence, but i also recognize the really negative effects calling for denunciations has. it not just makes the non-violent left collectively responsible, but individuals personally responsible. it's, particularly, this thing that i see a _lot_ in white liberals where they want to assert control over the acceptable boundaries of debate.

and it _is_ a framing thing. we all accept the historical narrative that the participants in the birmingham campaign were non-violent. however, some participants in that campaign did commit violent acts. they were met with overwhelming force on the part of the civil authorities, but more importantly, people didn't _talk_ about them. the conversation wasn't _centered_ around them. nobody said "dr. king, how can you say your movement is non-violent, here is a black man on the streets violently attacking the police?" everybody looked at bull connor and his police and his fire-hoses.

the center these days, it seems to me, are giving a lot more intense scrutiny to the scattered violent radicals.

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is what i get for using the word "everybody"

i'm talking more, like, cronkite

centrists today seem to have a lot more in common with the birmingham news editorial cartoonist

Beautiful Palmer method handwriting, though!

oh there will be violence

it just can't be initiated by the seekers of change

It's arguably already been initiated by those in power a billion times over.

certainly

the great mass of Americans havent gotten that til now, Many still don't.

We've had 90 days running of peaceful protestors rioted against by cops, and about a dozen instances of protestors breaking windows and burning one police station in that time.

the center these days, it seems to me, are giving a lot more intense scrutiny to the scattered violent radicals.

It was striking to me that the DNC has not been shying away from the protests at all, but rather has leaned into them and asserted that the Democratic Party is the party that backs justice for George Floyd and deplores the suppression of peaceful protests by militarized cops. Not one mention of violence, window-breaking, etc. Biden said "no place for violence in the movement" back at the beginning of June; so were Black community leaders in my city. But he and the Dem party generally seem pretty clearly to have appropriately resisted the idea that every single statement of organized community protest has to be paired with "to be sure don't bust up immigrants' downtown stores."

it is conversations like today’s that make me despair that ilx lacks any interesting posters under 30

No one is keeping you here

ilx lacks any interesting posters under 30

and yet, we seem to still have some posters under 30 who are participating in this thread. it is puzzling.

I really hope a few people under 30 are here and reading this thread

Lol u gonna flex after last night? Ok

sorry I was out of line last night

If you could go find an interesting poster under 30 and make them join ILX, I’m pretty sure all would be forgiven

i will start a call of duty twitch stream to recruit new posters

Phil Collins

Poach posters from the US Army Twitch channel. They’re likely to have new and interesting viewpoints for ILX.

has anyone tried to actually recruit people or this just idle talk

because there are ways to do it. it can be done.

what do you have in mind, treesh

there is a way. but it isn't easy. and once it's done, you can't go back.

haven't none of y'all done a multi-level marketing scheme before

get twenty people below you and start pumpin'!

let's quit beating around the bush and get down to it

we have to a fundraising campaign to raise at least $5000 US dollars

then we have to run a google ad campaign, focused on the 20-29 sector

and in order to target that campaign, we're gonna need to figure out, as 30+ people, what kinds of products that 20-29 year olds are interested in

and waht a WAP is

we can probably figure out what the young people are interested in using only social media

I got into ilx at age 19 because I found the MIA thread fascinating. And I was impressed when I found out some of the posters were pro music journalists. (Embarrassing but true). Today seeing media people talk about stuff behind the scenes has less novelty.

In general, the art of debate on like cultural issues seems, idk, become disenchanting. Maybe just for me. But to get new posters we need better thread to get lurkers hooked.

first thread....is free.

You're going to need upvotes or likes to hook the kids, maybe a heart react.

I used to be under 30 and I used to be interesting, not sure whether at the same time

Stay under 30 as long as you can, strive to be interesting whenever

I feel like k3vin has a predefined idea of “interesting” though tbf