"The August 2020 US Politics Thread is highly thought of, but nobody likes me. It can only be my personality. That's all."

the straight guys here want to mock women, ok

lol you dimwit

fuck you

again

Barack Obama's speech is awesome

I agree. Good results are hard and rare in this nation, but he articulated very well how any kind of good results can be achieved without tearing it all down to bare earth and trusting to rebuild something better on the wreckage and ashes.

good point xp

Did u call harbl a straight man?

i'm still confused, maybe he meant xpost

maybe my post will gain legitimacy when i show him my chromosomes

I don't know any of you and I'm not interested in any of your opinions

new board description

i could say the same but we are all posting our opinions on the internet when we could be just writing them in the notes app

Nothing I enjoy more than contributing to a community of people who I just want to shut up and listen to me contribute.

Don't know much about none of you
Don't care much what you say or do
But I do know that i love you
And i know that if you love me too
What a wonderful speech on tv

I don't care what they think
I don't care what they say
What do they know about this post
Anyway

Come to my shitpoooost

lol you dimwit

Otm

i agree with dan s. some women are pretty good.

Kamala did well! even with a tough act to follow

Obama is the most gifted US political orator since MLK, Jr. You can tell that, in the moment he is speaking his lines, he believes them deeply and sincerely and he feels a great conviction that you, too, should believe in them just as deeply and sincerely. Rhetorically speaking, his speeches are always impeccably formed for his style of delivery. He knows what he wants to do and how to do it, with amazing depth, clarity and skill. You gotta hand it to him. He's a talent.

issuing correction on a previous post of mine, regarding the terror group ISIL. you do not, under any circumstances, "gotta hand it to them"

— wint (@dril) February 15, 2017

hahahaha! you found an irrelevant tweet that uses a similar phrase!

xp I agree, which is why I can’t stand to watch his speeches these days.

It's weird to watch Elizabeth Warren and just be completely won over, "this is it, finally, the person who's REALLY BRINGING IT," and then reflect on the empirical reality that her appeal is laser-focused on some 5% of the population that's a lot like me, and this is it, the 5 minutes of the convention that's directed personally at getting me to vote/campaign/donate, most people are peeing or getting a sandwich right now

In an era when we are used to having our exact tastes catered to by every supermarket brand, restaurant, and cable channel, the kind of coalition politics you're describing should feel familiar at least. It's been going on even longer than cable's been around. The Republicans will do the same, but with scarier branding.

Dan, if you came into the thread feeling pre-attacked because some people on the boards hold less idealistic opinions of senior Democrat folks, that's unfortunate. But all the aggression in this exchange has been instigated by you. When you said "fuck you all in advance," a few people teased lightly back as if you were joking about expecting disagreement, but you doubled down. You said you were "in favor of all strong women who make their voices heard," then accused the only woman who made her voice heard of being a man, because you didn't like what she said, and then said that her identity means nothing to you.

Hope you're just feeling emotional from optimism, and maybe a drink or two, tonight. Folks here will engage with your thoughts about the speeches if you actually want to articulate them.

sic otm

cute BLM letters on the toy shelves behind Warren.

Agree that Obama tonight was awesome. I've also found the parts of the convention moving and inspirational, and it's nice to feel that way.

Even if I can acknowledge (and agree with) many of the criticisms lobbed at the Democratic Party in this thread, I still want to feel hopeful. Maybe that's naive or sentimental given the state of things, but it's how I get through the day.

"then accused the only woman who made her voice heard of being a man, because you didn't like what she said, and then said that her identity means nothing to you."

sorry, didn't know this, my comments were rash

I’ve been moved by the virtual convention segments, Michelle Obama two nights ago, the states' roll call and AOC last night, Barack Obama, Nancy Pelosi Hillary Clinton tonight

haven't seen Kamala's speech yet

"170,000 Americans dead. Millions of jobs gone while those at the top take in more than ever. Our worst impulses unleashed, our proud reputation around the world badly diminished, and our democratic institutions threatened like never before.”

“But here’s the thing: no single American can fix this country alone. Not even a president. Democracy was never meant to be transactional – you give me your vote; I make everything better. It requires an active and informed citizenry.”

Yeah, I honestly can't fathom how anyone gets the warm and fuzzies from listening to these people.

Millions of jobs gone while those at the top take in more than ever.

followed by completely avoiding politics for 3.5 years until stepping in to kneecap the candidate who promised incredibly mild European social democracy
but Obama'll give you a nice soundbite.

"followed by completely avoiding politics for 3.5 years until stepping in to kneecap the candidate who promised incredibly mild European social democracy" what?

Sanders' policies are extremely moderate in a non-USian context.

The states' roll call was cheesy in a good way, and, I'm inferring, greatly enriched by being forced to be a sequence of remote clips.

(I reckon it could have been even more effective if it played as a complement to some actually fiery speeches or policy declarations. Conversely, the lack of an audience probably exaggerated the bland marketingy approach there.)

I liked that the roll call felt like a journey across the states

Which were all stolen!

You were moved, Dan?

Were you moved by this footage?
https://youtu.be/WlLqm3eDYMg

What about by shots of federal officers shooting people with rubber bullets and siccing attack dogs on them for defending the little land that wasn't stolen from them?

Or the thousands of people deported and sent to die in gang violence in Central America?

Is all that moving?

What about the environmental leaders murdered by a government we backed in a coup thanks to Obama and Hillary?

Is that moving? The aforementioned looting of the lower classes to fill the coffers of the richest?

I'm moved to tears, Dan. I really am.

Your denialism and blue sky thinking are simply evidence that you don't care to know or understand the depravity and immorality of the US, or are a cheerleader for it. And in my opinion, either are unacceptable.

The convention is about as moving as a turd being flushed in the background of a Hallmark film

The Red Poos

Beautiful lies sure are somethin'

table do you think the US is uniquely unsalvageable as a project or would you agree that all nation states are more or less depraved and amoral?

I had no interest in Harris' speech; the only one I caught was Obama's, not bad as those things go. It took me a couple minutes to figure out why he sounded different to me: he adapted his cadences to one-on-one conversation, not arenas.

Which is yet another thing President Asshole has been unable to do. It's like he's permanently in the cheap seats shouting at the stage when he's the one up there.

El Tomboto, I do consider settler colonial (or conquistador colonial) projects such as the US, Australia, Canada, and Brazil to be uniquely unsalvageable, for a variety of reasons.

Insofar as borders have become methods of social control rather than social welfare, all nation-states are suspect.