love* in the time of plague (and by love* i mean brexit* and other dreary matters of uk politics)

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idk man there's a lot of kneejerk tankies and Maoists out there who will never trust them

The Scampos of Young Werther (Noodle Vague), Friday, 14 August 2020 10:14 (three years ago) link

can't see anyone to the left of them now nor who are serious about the challenges of climate change, so if i can be arsed voting they have mine. Even though Bartley is a bit of a prick and don't get me started on imago's hero!

calzino, Friday, 14 August 2020 10:19 (three years ago) link

There's a germ of possibility in there, just need a good purge

The Scampos of Young Werther (Noodle Vague), Friday, 14 August 2020 10:20 (three years ago) link

when I say *challenges of climate change* what I really meant was the impending mass die off and civilisational collapse lol

calzino, Friday, 14 August 2020 10:21 (three years ago) link

A useful but grim thread:

A brief thread:

I’m going to be taking a step back from here (again). Not because I want to, but because if I don’t, I worry that I’ll lose my job. And I have a family to support.

And the people driving that are not on the Left. They’re on the Right.

— Daniel Sugarman (@Daniel_Sugarman) August 12, 2020

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 14 August 2020 10:22 (three years ago) link

(Public Affairs Officer for the Board of Deputies)

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 14 August 2020 10:23 (three years ago) link

As ever the replies are best avoided

The Scampos of Young Werther (Noodle Vague), Friday, 14 August 2020 10:24 (three years ago) link

when the Greens make Magid Magid leader that'll be the signal for a mass influx tbh

imago, Friday, 14 August 2020 10:29 (three years ago) link

Then the Right, those people who mock the idea of “cancel culture”, trip over themselves to write to my employers demanding that I be punished, or sacked, for what I have said.

there we have it, it's fine when it suits them and the ones that moan the loudest never actually get "cancelled" if anything they a higher profile out of it. Like who the fuck cares what Prick Knave has to say, yet yesterday he was everywhere.

calzino, Friday, 14 August 2020 10:33 (three years ago) link

"How you doing tonight Cleveland?"

How we all feeling in the Red Wall tonight? Private school kids marked up, working class kids marked down - the clue was in the word Tory when you voted for them 👇🏽 https://t.co/LJKU4GsIsW

— Paul Mason (@paulmasonnews) August 13, 2020

the pinefox, Friday, 14 August 2020 10:43 (three years ago) link

since when did school age kids get on the electoral register in the North? he needs to cut down on the spice

calzino, Friday, 14 August 2020 10:51 (three years ago) link

if there's one thing angry parents want right now it's smug condescension from the president of stoya's fan club

scampo, foggy and clegg (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 14 August 2020 10:56 (three years ago) link

Conspiracyish take on the travel corridor thing I heard yesterday is that it's designed to exclude countries that compete for British tourism (so said tourists will vacation within the country instead and boost the economy), is that mad?

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 14 August 2020 11:03 (three years ago) link

Surely no one will actually abide by the quarantine anyway?

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 14 August 2020 11:04 (three years ago) link

It is me, I'm the mug who will.

But I reckogn if you have a steady job and just dance up there after yr vacation someone might grass on you, no?

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 14 August 2020 11:06 (three years ago) link

It depends, my daughter's holiday in Majorca is fucked because her and my ex can't not quarantine in good conscience

The Scampos of Young Werther (Noodle Vague), Friday, 14 August 2020 11:06 (three years ago) link

A grand total of three people were fined in the first seven weeks of restrictions being imposed.

aiui, you give them a phone number when you land and there's an extremely remote possibility that someone might call you up to ask you where you currently are.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Friday, 14 August 2020 11:11 (three years ago) link

So basically as long as you aren't at a railway station or anywhere else with a tannoy announcement you're basically fine?

Matt DC, Friday, 14 August 2020 11:12 (three years ago) link

Unless they've devised a more sophisticated system since, i would guess so.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Friday, 14 August 2020 11:14 (three years ago) link

I think it was in Thailand where the tracking app isn't optional and they have stiff penalties for those that break quarantine, but they pay you to stay at home. That sounds like a functional system at least.

calzino, Friday, 14 August 2020 11:20 (three years ago) link

You and Aaronovitch are the reason I first bought a Times subscription all those years ago and the column I read religiously (even where the sermon has been hard to hear!). Gutted.

— Wes Streeting MP (@wesstreeting) August 14, 2020

xyzzzz__, Friday, 14 August 2020 12:22 (three years ago) link

Jesus

The Scampos of Young Werther (Noodle Vague), Friday, 14 August 2020 12:23 (three years ago) link

Jee

The Scampos of Young Werther (Noodle Vague), Friday, 14 August 2020 12:23 (three years ago) link

sus

The Scampos of Young Werther (Noodle Vague), Friday, 14 August 2020 12:24 (three years ago) link

Can you imagine reading Aaronovitch and thinking "this is my guru?"

The Scampos of Young Werther (Noodle Vague), Friday, 14 August 2020 12:25 (three years ago) link

Ffmffs

The Scampos of Young Werther (Noodle Vague), Friday, 14 August 2020 12:25 (three years ago) link

Making the sign of the cross at that tweet.

xyzzzz__, Friday, 14 August 2020 12:25 (three years ago) link

More details of our legal challenge to the A Level tragi-shambles (which compliments that brought by our friends, the brilliant @Foxglovelegal) follow. THREAD

— Jo Maugham QC (@JolyonMaugham) August 14, 2020

xyzzzz__, Friday, 14 August 2020 12:29 (three years ago) link

if i were a young person adversely affected by my exam grades i would simply choose to become a hereditary peer

I fluffed my A-levels. Taught me how to hustle. First to get a place in Univeristy. And haven’t stopped ever since. Grades are great, but grit and perseverance win every time. 🚀

— Lord Bethell (@JimBethell) August 13, 2020

scampo, foggy and clegg (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 14 August 2020 12:30 (three years ago) link

SV knows more than me but most of this outrage is predicated on bullshit

The Scampos of Young Werther (Noodle Vague), Friday, 14 August 2020 12:31 (three years ago) link

xp He's the Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Innovation at the Department of Health and Social Care, you can't say he doesn't know the hustle!

Andrew Farrell, Friday, 14 August 2020 12:34 (three years ago) link

I wish one of these cliched rugged rich pricks that fucked up their a levels would shame the devil and admit that a healthy dose of nepotism got them up the first few wrungs on their irresistible rise to the top.

calzino, Friday, 14 August 2020 12:47 (three years ago) link

Will read this depressing piece later.

For @LRB I wrote about the migrant situation and how the winner in all of this is, once again, Nigel Farage https://t.co/ubMaaHduCa

— Your Mum says Black Lives Matter (@judeinlondon2) August 14, 2020

xyzzzz__, Friday, 14 August 2020 12:50 (three years ago) link

xps There's no 'good' way of doing it but the methodology OFQUAL used was worked out after extensive discussion with exam boards on how to make the results as consistent as possible with recent years, and it has been broadly successful in doing that. The major statistical outlier in the number of A-grades awarded to private schools is because a higher proportion of their classes have too few candidates to fit into the statistical model.

It's inevitably going to lead to unfair outcomes for some students but going just on teacher assessments would as well. The assumption that 'all working class students were marked down by 12%' assumes that they were all marked up by 12% in the first place. What you'll have had is a group of kids whose marks were either too low, or more commonly, too high, and another group whose marks were basically accurate. Not applying any kind of model to account for this would have meant that, on average, the more accurate your teacher is, the bigger the disadvantage.

The problem with Windmill QC challenging on the right to appeal is that there is nothing uniform to evidence an appeal with. Mock grades will apparently be allowed but again, this just privileges learners who had the opportunity to do them or who had generous teachers. In the absence of mock grades, how are you meant to prove that you deserved a higher end result? Cohort appeals, where schools can evidence reasons why a group of students had been predicted substantially higher grades than previous year groups, are allowed but they're restricted on fairly narrow grounds otherwise everyone would try it.

It's also worth noting that regression models and statistical analysis based on prior cohort achievement also forms a part of how exams are always awarded, to ensure comparability across different years.

imo, the fairest way to do it would be to defer university intake until January and let everyone take exams in October or write the whole year off and have everyone restart but neither of those was considered practical. It sucks but if you've missed out on grades you were confident you'd get, you can still take exams in October and start university in 2021.

I don't have anything to do with UK qualifications and am not involved in the technical side of exams so am not an 'expert'. I have no particular dog in this horse but, absent of a better way of doing things, idk whether people who understand about 10% of what they'd need to in order to have an informed opinion telling state-educated kids that their grades are worthless is a particularly helpful move.

I'd add that if you are looking to solve educational inequality in a hypothetical rounding error and not in the underlying conditions that mean you're twice as likely to get A grades if your parents pay for your school than if you go to a state comp, you're looking in the wrong direction.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Friday, 14 August 2020 12:54 (three years ago) link

That's a general 'you', not anyone here obvs,

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Friday, 14 August 2020 12:56 (three years ago) link

imo, the fairest way to do it would be to defer university intake until January and let everyone take exams in October or write the whole year off and have everyone restart but neither of those was considered practical.


i'm wondering exactly how far the informed opinions weighed in on that vs the Williamsons of the world. This does feel regardless of its other merits, it's the most "get back to normal as straightforwardly as possible" option which is the one this lot always seem to plump for.

stet, Friday, 14 August 2020 13:01 (three years ago) link

Yeah, aiui, the outcome (grades in August) was determined by Williamson and OFQUAL was tasked with finding the fairest way to make it happen. Financially, i can see why deferring wouldn't have been viable for universities, though.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Friday, 14 August 2020 13:09 (three years ago) link

I have no particular dog in this horse

words and expressions that make you irrationally delighted

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 14 August 2020 13:14 (three years ago) link

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/AOLMr5HPb5I/maxresdefault.jpg

calzino, Friday, 14 August 2020 13:20 (three years ago) link

living the dream!

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 14 August 2020 13:23 (three years ago) link

TV news on boats gawping at travellers over the last few weeks has indeed made Farage look ahead of the game again but anyone who acts like a few thousand asylum seekers a year - or yeah just the movements of PoC in general - is the biggest scandal will always be able to make hay.

nashwan, Friday, 14 August 2020 13:23 (three years ago) link

Hats off to @WorcCollegeOx for placing all the students to whom they offered places this year - irrespective of their scores in the government's A level debacle. THIS is how you do it guys. Come on everyone, please follow suit 👏👏👏 pic.twitter.com/Dvdh7szC10

— Rachel Clarke (@doctor_oxford) August 14, 2020

xyzzzz__, Friday, 14 August 2020 16:41 (three years ago) link

I suspect that’ll end up happening at most places that haven’t massively over-offered.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Friday, 14 August 2020 16:56 (three years ago) link

ho ho ho. rhyming kitemark with shitemark shows such quickness of mind and devastating wit I'm genuinely pissing my pants - she's done it again

calzino, Friday, 14 August 2020 18:27 (three years ago) link

I suspect that’ll end up happening at most places that haven’t massively over-offered.

― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Friday, August 14, 2020 12:56 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

i thought pretty much everywhere except oxford and cambridge over-offers though?

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Friday, 14 August 2020 18:37 (three years ago) link

Given the number of students who are likely to try and defer by a year I'm not sure it'll make much difference except at the most popular universities.

Given the level of coverage there's been around schools reopening we've barely heard about what's happening with universities at all. I'm assuming they aren't packing students into halls but who even knows any more.

Matt DC, Friday, 14 August 2020 18:51 (three years ago) link

I think a lot are playing it by ear but several have said that there will be no in-person lectures already.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Friday, 14 August 2020 18:56 (three years ago) link

There is another lever the government could pull, which is lifting the hard cap on numbers. You could have a larger U.K. cohort at oversubscribed universities to offset any decline in overseas students if they were allowed to.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Friday, 14 August 2020 19:01 (three years ago) link

That’s a fantastic story SV. I found this detail incredible: The management company in its defence said that it “spent £400,000 annually on repairs to the properties”. Spread out among 250 flats in condemnable nick! Fucking jackals.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 14 August 2020 19:02 (three years ago) link


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