Nothing else is that egregious but the original mix/master sounds better all the way around
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 14 August 2020 02:46 (three years ago) link
i pulled up hoist that rag on spotify a couple of weeks ago because i was in the mood and i honestly thought it was a cover for a minute. so weird.
― đ đđ˘đ¨ (caek), Friday, 14 August 2020 02:48 (three years ago) link
whoo, that is a serious downgrade.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Friday, 14 August 2020 03:02 (three years ago) link
Ah, better times for the Real Gone songs (but with Judah Bauer instead of Ribot)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NR5SHuJDlUQ
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 14 August 2020 04:01 (three years ago) link
^^I love that version so much, incredible performance.
― Roz, Friday, 14 August 2020 09:23 (three years ago) link
Been thinking about Waits again lately. I have that Real Gone remaster on vinyl and it's quite jarring.
I put together an extensive career-spanning 'Best of' playlist here https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4FbY20jZVLSCXvfI4W1rvr?si=lMeXBmuATlWtgaNsbFfNww
― doorstep jetski (dog latin), Friday, 14 August 2020 12:10 (three years ago) link
This is a timely revive for me. Honestly cant remember the last time I put any of the records on, its surely been over 10 years. But just in the last couple weeks he's randomly been on my mind again (apocalypse? nostalgia?) and I've been thinking its time to revisit
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Friday, 14 August 2020 12:46 (three years ago) link
it is kind of weird. Someone I know posted an interview with him a couple of days ago, and I got so excited I almost posted the same interview here, until I noticed it was maybe 20 years old. When this thread popped up again I for some reason figured it was someone else posting the same interview, like it had just been unearthed or something, but no, just a bunch of unrelated folks just thinking about Tom Waits.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 14 August 2020 12:50 (three years ago) link
^^^^ this.
A "press conference" from 10 or 15 years ago kept appearing on my Twitter feed this week.
― Duke, Friday, 14 August 2020 12:54 (three years ago) link
This is the one I saw:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojX3ef2Gfgc
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 14 August 2020 12:59 (three years ago) link
LOL Josh I totally watched that within the last week as well! Looks like it was just uploaded in June, it must be making the rounds of peoples YouTube recommendations. Its a neat interview, its fun to see him in such a good mood.
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Friday, 14 August 2020 13:05 (three years ago) link
He should name his next album "Algorithm."
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 14 August 2020 13:16 (three years ago) link
I've suddenly found myself enjoying his 21st century records much more than when they came out. A major correction after Mule Variations, which felt like the Swordfishtrombone persona was tapped out.
― Julius Caesar Memento Hoodie (bendy), Friday, 14 August 2020 13:50 (three years ago) link
I went back to Bad As Me yesterday and it was better than I remember. I did enjoy it at the time but it didn't seem to have its own 'character' like most of his other albums, more a distillation of previous work. Still, it's a real solid hoot anyway
― doorstep jetski (dog latin), Friday, 14 August 2020 13:59 (three years ago) link
I'm sure he's fine, personally and financially, but I file Tom Waits near the top of the list of artists who right now probably wished they toured a bit more.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 14 August 2020 14:15 (three years ago) link
I've heard that the early alcohol consumption and later theatrical distancing were there because of serious stage anxiety.
― Julius Caesar Memento Hoodie (bendy), Friday, 14 August 2020 14:27 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psk3rmjonQA
― Duke, Friday, 14 August 2020 14:58 (three years ago) link
That's what i saw a few days ago ^^
I will absent-mindedly find myself singing "God's Away On Business" while doing a mindless chore, it's like having a song stuck in my head for the last ~17 years.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 14 August 2020 16:42 (three years ago) link
Xxxpost: itâs been a while since I heard âhoist that ragâ and that remaster is so alien to me. Where those horns added in? I donât remember them being there before unless they were way back in the mix. I like how those horn sound but without the guitar itâs missing something primal about it. It was the heart of the song.
― âââ (Moka), Friday, 14 August 2020 18:31 (three years ago) link
Is this more of a remix then? Are all Waits recent remasters like this where itâs more of a second version than a real remaster?
― âââ (Moka), Friday, 14 August 2020 18:33 (three years ago) link
I think it's just Real Gone that sounds significantly different.
― unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Friday, 14 August 2020 19:11 (three years ago) link
From Waits' Bandcamp page:
Grammy nominated and featuring an entirely new mix that better fulfills the dynamic musical soundscape Waits/Brennan envisioned from the beginning. To accomplish this they returned to the multitrack session tapes and enhanced certain instruments or a vocal arrangement to create a sound that better represents the full bodied more sonically vibrant and jagged edges that Waits and Brennan were originally going for but lost.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 14 August 2020 19:19 (three years ago) link
It's the Iggy Raw Power mix of Waits releases
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Friday, 14 August 2020 19:29 (three years ago) link
damn
it sounds like a lot of elements in the mix are
real gone
― Give me a Chad Smith-type feel (map), Friday, 14 August 2020 19:32 (three years ago) link
The horns are definitely new.
Tom Waits: "Ima fix Hoist That Rag"
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 14 August 2020 19:55 (three years ago) link
Ribot's playing on that reminds me of his Cuban band, he must have really been in that mode at the time:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0IPcqI3NH8
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 14 August 2020 20:04 (three years ago) link
listening to the Real Gone remaster again, tbh if you didn't know what the OG "Hoist That Rag"sounded like there would be no issues. the album sounds great.
― unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Friday, 14 August 2020 20:09 (three years ago) link
I have the original mix (which I hated at the time FTR) on a hard drive and I'm comparing it to the new version (on Bandcamp). The horns are entirely new on "Hoist That Rag" (or excised from the mix at the time and restored later) and I think the increased Cuban-ness of it makes the new version a little better. I remember reading an interview at the time where Waits said he wanted to make the album really noisy and harsh to suit both his and the national mood, and he succeeded - it's the St. Anger of his catalog IMO, and I've never liked it. I'm gonna buy this updated version.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 14 August 2020 20:21 (three years ago) link
I could totally see them having recorded the horns at the time and then stripping it down to make it super minimal and raw, and years later thinking 'hey those horns sound pretty sweet'.
TW is sounding great to me today. Also reminding me that his records are where I really fell for Ribot.
― change display name (Jordan), Friday, 14 August 2020 20:33 (three years ago) link
Couldnât they have kept that different version of Hoist That Rag as a bonus track or something at least? Itâs fine, but Iâd take the more minimal, gnarled up original version any day. Weird to completely replace it.
― circa1916, Saturday, 15 August 2020 00:41 (three years ago) link
One of my favorite TW tracks tbh, annoyed heâs George Lucas-ing it.
― circa1916, Saturday, 15 August 2020 00:43 (three years ago) link
Yeah same, his best track of the 2000s imho, really caught lightning in a bottle with it
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Saturday, 15 August 2020 03:44 (three years ago) link
Insane to not at least leave the old mix up somehow. I've got it on my old iTunes archive drive but I never use that anymore.
― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Saturday, 15 August 2020 03:56 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aw3mFXOwRgw
― đ đđ˘đ¨ (caek), Saturday, 15 August 2020 04:00 (three years ago) link
I remember when Orphans came out, a bunch of those tracks i had already been familiar with for years due to filesharing & owning the various comps and sdtks, and the orphans versions of many of them had overdubs and new parts punched in, most of which didnt help the songs imo. Obviously some of it was just due to familiarity with the previous versions, but it was still weird to hear these songs, many of which had really fantastic spare arrangements and carefully-mixed soundworlds, all of a sudeen filled with a bunch of drums and banjos and harmonica, which sounded like they were all recorded in the same session. I remember being particularly annoyed at a bunch of Charlie Musselwhite blues harp soloing all over "Heigh Ho".
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Saturday, 15 August 2020 15:47 (three years ago) link
I would never change a single thing about the OG Hoist That Rag and I wish he would put out an entire album that sounds like that.
― epistantophus, Saturday, 15 August 2020 17:44 (three years ago) link
Always like the demo of Alice better than released version too
― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 15 August 2020 20:19 (three years ago) link
Random thoughts after going back to a lot of TW:
-Both versions of Hoist That Rag are very good
-Bad As Me is also good, not bad
-I love his ballads more than I used to (although I always loved 'Green Grass' and 'Alice')
-Bone Machine is still sounds great, I love that high rasp voice he uses on say 'Jesus Gonna Be Here', wish he used that more
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 17 August 2020 15:13 (three years ago) link
he has approximately 50 amazing ballads
― unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Monday, 17 August 2020 15:14 (three years ago) link
Johnstown, Illinois is my favourite.
― Maresn3st, Monday, 17 August 2020 17:37 (three years ago) link
Good Old World, Waltz
― doorstep jetski (dog latin), Monday, 17 August 2020 17:39 (three years ago) link
Also fun to hear him write a song over the 'Do Whatcha Wanna' bassline ('Get Lost' on Bad As Me)
― change display name (Jordan), Monday, 17 August 2020 17:55 (three years ago) link
I wrote about Alice and Blood Money, and the experience of interviewing Waits (the story that got me in the door at The Wire), for Stereogum.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Friday, 6 May 2022 15:13 (one year ago) link
thanks i enjoyed that
― Heez, Friday, 6 May 2022 15:35 (one year ago) link
good piece
― corrs unplugged, Monday, 9 May 2022 06:47 (one year ago) link
https://tomwaits.ffm.to/alicebloodmoney
vinyl reissues + 2 live tracks
Tom Waits will be releasing limited edition vinyl of his albums âAliceâ and âBlood Moneyâ to celebrate their 20th anniversary.Originally released on May 7, 2002, the re-issues will be available on October 7. All The World Is Green (Live)Fish & Bird (Live)
Leading up to the official release date, Waits is putting out previously unreleased live versions of songs from the records,starting with âAll the World is Greenâ from âBlood Moneyâ and âFish and Birdâ from âAlice.â âAll the World is Greenâ wasrecorded at a live show in 2008 in Milan, Italy and features a dramatic faux flamenco guitar intro, while âFish and Birdâis taken from Waitsâ celebrated return to the London stage in 2004 and is a stripped down raw piano version of the balladthat featured a chamber orchestra arrangement in the studio recording.
― StanM, Monday, 8 August 2022 16:25 (one year ago) link
(text is quoted from the mail & link is without identifying crap)
― StanM, Monday, 8 August 2022 16:26 (one year ago) link
Think these were reissued/remastered in 2017 and are still available, but the live tracks will be nice to hear.
― Eyeball Kicks, Tuesday, 9 August 2022 09:49 (one year ago) link
will probably pick these up but holding off on a preorder until i can confirm he hasnt fucked with the mixes or added overdubs or anything
― nobody like my rap (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 9 August 2022 14:16 (one year ago) link