Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

you really would think a Democratic nominee who's not your pick would be less dangerous than Donald Trump -- and a guy posting here who's not a person of color and queer is posting this.

I've a long track record of noting and protesting Obama's national security abuses, including the drone bombing of Americans, but I'm speechless you wouldn't admit this is the tragedy of political systems. Some administrations get it better than others, even marginally. And it's on the margins where we have to troll, and it's where activists have to keep posting craven politicians. The way you write, no one deserves credit for anything.

posting = pushing

directed at milo

"democracy is slow moving for good reasons."

Explain.

― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Tuesday, August 11, 2020 8:05 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

Decision making is obviously much slower when you ask millions of people instead of having one person decide for all, I don't think this is a controversial statement.

I haven't suggested he's not "less dangerous" than Trump, ever. (He also has done pretty much nil in his career for people of color or LGBTQ people, unless voting for DOMA or mass incarceration was a secret win?)

I think(?) Kamala will be pretty good at fucking up the Trump campaign machine, and as noted, they could have done a lot worse. It could’ve been Klobs ffs.

I’ll admit that against my better judgment, I briefly panicked last night that it could be a SURPRISE PETE pick. And I have no doubt that he’ll weasel his way into the admin somehow.

Tbh I kind of think democracy doesn't actually exist as people believe it does, but oh well. I'm "noted" as being among the far left on this board, as elsewhere, so I'll just keep my mouth shut.

But Dan S, stating objective truth about Bernie being what used to be known as a "Liberal Democrat" isn't hyperbole, fwiw.

stating objective truth about Bernie being what used to be known as a "Liberal Democrat" isn't hyperbole, fwiw

There's an interview going around with Chomsky today where he says the same thing, so this is about to become the new orthodoxy. Get ready for it.

He's been called a New Deal Democrat by Chomsky and others on the left for a very long time.

The way you write, no one deserves credit for anything.

Well, I mean... credit for what?

2020 is even shittier 2008 - so we're getting the crisis Obama inherited but many times larger.
The result of Obama and Democratic majorities was a massive subsidy for healthcare ghouls and little improvement in actual healthcare. We got no recovery for the average American, no curbing of exploding cost of living, no decrease in inequality, no reining in of state abuses (at any level). All followed by a sweeping right turn across the land.

Biden is less competent than Obama and Schumer is far less competent than Reid. What's not to despair?

Now imagine 2008-2016 if it were McCain.

honestly, if you’re in any way invested in keeping liberal capitalism alive and have any interest in the majority of your fellow citizens maintaining a shred of dignity, New Dealism should be your baseline.

I know the GOP could give less than a fuck about the latter. Not sure what the Democratic party’s excuse is.

xp

Raising your grade from a 0 to a 60 isn't going to help you graduate.

McCain would have been more like a 25 though, probably.

and 50 is still than a 25. it matters to so many people. that analogy is not very solid.

Tbh I kind of think democracy doesn't actually exist as people believe it does, but oh well.

― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Tuesday, August 11, 2020 8:12 PM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Do you have an experience living in an undemocratic nation? Undemocratic by mainstream standards I mean.

also the judiciary branch doesn’t exist

too many xposts, but re: Biden

(He also has done pretty much nil in his career for people of color or LGBTQ people, unless voting for DOMA or mass incarceration was a secret win?)

― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Tuesday, August 11, 2020 5:10 PM

he made a statement on television in May of 2012 saying he was in favor gay marriage and that he thought Obama was for it too, I remember that because I was in my dying father's hospital room watching it on TV and I was astonished. I assume he coordinated it with Obama, because Obama made his statement shortly after that. That was an incredible turning point in LBGTQ rights history, it followed from Gavin Newsom's stand in 2004 and it led directly to the Supreme Court decision in 2015

xp - despite tombot's fantasy world, the McCain counterfactual and potential Trump counterfactual is only relevant if anyone here was suggesting it would be better for Trump to win or discouraging anyone from voting for Biden

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Do you have an experience living in an undemocratic nation? Undemocratic by mainstream standards I mean.

Questions that answer themselves...

lol, re: that question, i've lived in Poland before it joined the EU and have spent a significant amount of time across the former Soviet bloc, so i have some ideas about what a non-democracy that calls itself a democracy looks like.

Now if I could just arrange for a poster to stab Biden in the next few weeks my 250-1 bet on Kamala to win comes home

Stab being slang for non-violent persuasion as I understand it

Just give him the keys to a 200mph Corvette.

the amount of deranged ultraprogressive bullshit I read on twitter today makes me despair but I have to remind myself that this is a very small, loudmouthed contingent (I hope). I mean, they're pissed at Bernie now for not coming out against this, like he would do that, and like that would be helpful.

― akm

don't worry akm it's not like my fucking vote counts anyway

Remember when people took Ayaan Hirsi Ali seriously?

This was inevitable.

Tucker Carlson's guest claims that Joe Biden is "enforcing Sharia Law." pic.twitter.com/HnOtjQtYWz

— Justin Baragona (@justinbaragona) August 12, 2020

What were 'Joe Biden's comments on Islam'?

https://i.imgur.com/sS6tGef.png

lol, re: that question, i've lived in Poland before it joined the EU and have spent a significant amount of time across the former Soviet bloc, so i have some ideas about what a non-democracy that calls itself a democracy looks like.

― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Tuesday, August 11, 2020 8:49 PM (thirty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

So you believe that say Australia and the Polish People's Republic are roughly the same in terms of democratic practice?

Biden knees can't handle an unpadded prayer rug.

Given so-called Australia's treatment of its Aboriginal population, any claims that the country has on being a democracy are null and void.

A metaphor for this thread

Listening to Trump on Hannity. What started as a talk about Harris has turned into a discussion of "Hillary smashing the phones with hammers" and the Russia dossier. Sounds, honestly, like he and Hannity got bored talking Harris.

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) August 12, 2020

And in terms of Poland, it's a racist, homophobic theocracy disguised as a democracy. Anyone paying attention can see that,.but it was as obvious 15 years ago when I was spending time there.

Fox News hosts Pirro and Hannity are claiming that Biden did not pick Harris as his VP. They think there is some secret person that has yet to be revealed that actually made the selection.

— Angelo Carusone (@GoAngelo) August 12, 2020

van horn street is a neolib true believer fyi so there's really no point

Ah yes, despising Maduro makes me a neolib.

A neolib who supports single payer health care, minimum wage sets at 50% of median income, the government funding of the arts, the nationalisation of power plants and some key national ressources, increased taxes on the rich, and who views the Nordic model has far preferable to any other that has been tried is one strange neolib.

Sorry I forgot the increase in social housing and free education until college; I’m undecided for college itself but I believe it ought to remain vastly affordable.

Six geese a-laying
Five golden rings
Four calling birds
Three french hens
Two turtle doves, and
A partridge in a pear tree

It's meaningless to claim to personally hold humane political positions if you don't support the politicians who would actually implement them

Maduro would?

I support Bernie and Warren ffs.

To be clear once and for all, because I despise neolibs, I supported Gaido with the notion that he was obviously going to get Venezuela closer to a social democracy than having Maduro for the next 25 years. That's my calculation. It seemed to me, and it stills seems to me, than getting rid of Gaido was going to be easier than Maduro, that it is easier to recuperate from a neolib half-democracy than the complete human rights disaster that Maduro has created in Venezuela.

So you believe that say Australia and the Polish People's Republic are roughly the same in terms of democratic practice?

Given so-called Australia's treatment of its Aboriginal population, any claims that the country has on being a democracy are null and void.

It's been about *checks watch* three weeks since confirmation came out that the Queen approved her minion firing the elected prime minister who had drafted the Aboriginal Land (rights) Bill before it could pass parliament, in 1975

Looks like state capture by the gas industry is p much 100% now, though

100% is a bit much. Got to leave some room for capture by coal miners, iron ore and industrial agriculture.

look, there are plenty of reasons to support biden for president. remember those concentration camps for children the trump administration set up? he's committed to putting a ball pit in every. single. one. that's a joe biden promise!

Got to leave some room for capture by coal miners, iron ore and industrial agriculture.

I was gonna say just "fossil fuels" but it looks like coal and iron are happy to let the gas folks make the decisions on the behalf of the greater good.

Who is the secret person who made the decision?

Deep Rote?

xp- hopefully Joe doesn’t get confused and give cops ball pits and teach ICE to shoot kids in the leg.

I think it's a little weird that he picked the one person who called him a racist during the primaries