Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

Kinda tempted to run an 'Are you an accelerationist, y/n' poll rn.

There is literally no difference between a leftish pol with enough dignity to support the best available opposition to the fascists and a centrist dick who'd do anything rather than challenge the status quo tbf

first time since 1968 that a Harvard or Yale graduate will not be on a major-party presidential ticket

first time since 1984 that the Dems won’t have someone with an Ivy League degree on it

a reason to applaud

the amount of deranged ultraprogressive bullshit I read on twitter today makes me despair but I have to remind myself that this is a very small, loudmouthed contingent (I hope). I mean, they're pissed at Bernie now for not coming out against this, like he would do that, and like that would be helpful.

lol @ at the thought that he'd oppose the pick. Have they read a book? Don't they know he wants a seat at the table?

That should definitely be the point of despair and not the thought of Joe Biden leading us out of the Greater Depression.

We're in despair now, sugar.

See above posts about venting. No one actually thinks Bernie could or would oppose Biden or Harris or both - it's venting about the shit sandwich being forced down our throats.

how to we killfile people again?

I get the disappointment, but it's not relevant now. I just don't understand the point of bristling at that in the face of something so much worse

Dan you keep forgetting that milo only thinks Trump is a little tiny bit worse

and I can't see a single finalist better or worse than harris.

xxp - Because two things can be bad at once. That a second Trump term would be worse doesn't make the prospect of a first Biden term better - we're facing a crisis unprecedented in any of our lives and getting likely leadership unfit to face it.

Removing bookmark from thread now vp selection is done but let me know if this issue gets figured out.

I feel like this is a win win for progressives, if Biden and Harris win it gives the progressive a better seat at the table and set up the next generation to truly take over and if they lose it confirms the progressive view that they should be the representative of the Democratic party. No matter what I believe they’ll be taking over sooner rather than later. If your main disappointment is that it isn’t fast enough, I get it, but democracy is slow moving for good reasons.

I’m probably wrong as usual but don’t you think Biden would pick someone more fascinating DUCKWORTH

. That a second Trump term would be worse doesn't make the prospect of a first Biden term better

This is such a stupendously dumb thing to post that I'm...speechless.

I mean, you're a smart guy.

oh idk it moves pretty fast if you’re intention is to privatize every function of the state so your donors can wring it dry, leave a husk, and point and say “lol look govt can’t stop failing lol”

The ability to gauge the relative value of things is not as easy as some might think.

Raising your grade from a 0 to a 60 isn't going to help you graduate.

"democracy is slow moving for good reasons."

Explain.

Like that legit just sounds like a talking point that a Times columnist would use to justify the racist oligarchy that we live in.

you really would think a Democratic nominee who's not your pick would be less dangerous than Donald Trump -- and a guy posting here who's not a person of color and queer is posting this.

I've a long track record of noting and protesting Obama's national security abuses, including the drone bombing of Americans, but I'm speechless you wouldn't admit this is the tragedy of political systems. Some administrations get it better than others, even marginally. And it's on the margins where we have to troll, and it's where activists have to keep posting craven politicians. The way you write, no one deserves credit for anything.

posting = pushing

directed at milo

"democracy is slow moving for good reasons."

Explain.

― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Tuesday, August 11, 2020 8:05 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

Decision making is obviously much slower when you ask millions of people instead of having one person decide for all, I don't think this is a controversial statement.

I haven't suggested he's not "less dangerous" than Trump, ever. (He also has done pretty much nil in his career for people of color or LGBTQ people, unless voting for DOMA or mass incarceration was a secret win?)

I think(?) Kamala will be pretty good at fucking up the Trump campaign machine, and as noted, they could have done a lot worse. It could’ve been Klobs ffs.

I’ll admit that against my better judgment, I briefly panicked last night that it could be a SURPRISE PETE pick. And I have no doubt that he’ll weasel his way into the admin somehow.

Tbh I kind of think democracy doesn't actually exist as people believe it does, but oh well. I'm "noted" as being among the far left on this board, as elsewhere, so I'll just keep my mouth shut.

But Dan S, stating objective truth about Bernie being what used to be known as a "Liberal Democrat" isn't hyperbole, fwiw.

stating objective truth about Bernie being what used to be known as a "Liberal Democrat" isn't hyperbole, fwiw

There's an interview going around with Chomsky today where he says the same thing, so this is about to become the new orthodoxy. Get ready for it.

He's been called a New Deal Democrat by Chomsky and others on the left for a very long time.

The way you write, no one deserves credit for anything.

Well, I mean... credit for what?

2020 is even shittier 2008 - so we're getting the crisis Obama inherited but many times larger.
The result of Obama and Democratic majorities was a massive subsidy for healthcare ghouls and little improvement in actual healthcare. We got no recovery for the average American, no curbing of exploding cost of living, no decrease in inequality, no reining in of state abuses (at any level). All followed by a sweeping right turn across the land.

Biden is less competent than Obama and Schumer is far less competent than Reid. What's not to despair?

Now imagine 2008-2016 if it were McCain.

honestly, if you’re in any way invested in keeping liberal capitalism alive and have any interest in the majority of your fellow citizens maintaining a shred of dignity, New Dealism should be your baseline.

I know the GOP could give less than a fuck about the latter. Not sure what the Democratic party’s excuse is.

xp

Raising your grade from a 0 to a 60 isn't going to help you graduate.

McCain would have been more like a 25 though, probably.

and 50 is still than a 25. it matters to so many people. that analogy is not very solid.

Tbh I kind of think democracy doesn't actually exist as people believe it does, but oh well.

― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Tuesday, August 11, 2020 8:12 PM (twelve minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Do you have an experience living in an undemocratic nation? Undemocratic by mainstream standards I mean.

also the judiciary branch doesn’t exist

too many xposts, but re: Biden

(He also has done pretty much nil in his career for people of color or LGBTQ people, unless voting for DOMA or mass incarceration was a secret win?)

― Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Tuesday, August 11, 2020 5:10 PM

he made a statement on television in May of 2012 saying he was in favor gay marriage and that he thought Obama was for it too, I remember that because I was in my dying father's hospital room watching it on TV and I was astonished. I assume he coordinated it with Obama, because Obama made his statement shortly after that. That was an incredible turning point in LBGTQ rights history, it followed from Gavin Newsom's stand in 2004 and it led directly to the Supreme Court decision in 2015

xp - despite tombot's fantasy world, the McCain counterfactual and potential Trump counterfactual is only relevant if anyone here was suggesting it would be better for Trump to win or discouraging anyone from voting for Biden

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Do you have an experience living in an undemocratic nation? Undemocratic by mainstream standards I mean.

Questions that answer themselves...

lol, re: that question, i've lived in Poland before it joined the EU and have spent a significant amount of time across the former Soviet bloc, so i have some ideas about what a non-democracy that calls itself a democracy looks like.

Now if I could just arrange for a poster to stab Biden in the next few weeks my 250-1 bet on Kamala to win comes home

Stab being slang for non-violent persuasion as I understand it

Just give him the keys to a 200mph Corvette.

the amount of deranged ultraprogressive bullshit I read on twitter today makes me despair but I have to remind myself that this is a very small, loudmouthed contingent (I hope). I mean, they're pissed at Bernie now for not coming out against this, like he would do that, and like that would be helpful.

― akm

don't worry akm it's not like my fucking vote counts anyway

Remember when people took Ayaan Hirsi Ali seriously?

This was inevitable.

Tucker Carlson's guest claims that Joe Biden is "enforcing Sharia Law." pic.twitter.com/HnOtjQtYWz

— Justin Baragona (@justinbaragona) August 12, 2020