Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

Congratulations to @KamalaHarris, who will make history as our next Vice President. She understands what it takes to stand up for working people, fight for health care for all, and take down the most corrupt administration in history. Let’s get to work and win.

— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) August 11, 2020

I've made my position on this pretty clear, so I'm not going to reiterate it, but I would like to say that the representational politics of it are fucking irritating me already because it's all such blatant pandering.

Bernie doing his old liberal chugalug.

Don’t get caught with a dime bag near the Naval Observatory.

"A dime bag, that is!"

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it may be blatant pandering all the way down

wow so is Bernie a cop-loving bootlicker centrist squish melt traitor now or what

Don't get caught doing sex work anywhere in this country! Or being homeless and poor! Or protesting Nazis who are in cahoots with the local cops and getting stabbed while doing so!

a vice president has that statutory authority?

if you get caught doing sex work between the moon and new york ciiiiiiiity

Klobuchar would have had him killed in the first year, does Kamala have that kind of will?

YMP, Bernie is the best option we had. That doesn't mean that he isn't actually what used to be called a "Liberal Democrat" in the US.

so much hyperbole

The big difference in Bernie and pretty much every other national politician is less ideology than that he obviously gives a shit about people, their lives and struggles.

Which, yeah, makes it more of a bummer when he extols the virtues of someone whose career is founded on ruining peoples' lives. But politicians gonna politic.

Sanders just understand, like any smart progressive, he can do better work for the people if Biden//Harris get elected than if they don’t.

Kinda tempted to run an 'Are you an accelerationist, y/n' poll rn.

There is literally no difference between a leftish pol with enough dignity to support the best available opposition to the fascists and a centrist dick who'd do anything rather than challenge the status quo tbf

first time since 1968 that a Harvard or Yale graduate will not be on a major-party presidential ticket

first time since 1984 that the Dems won’t have someone with an Ivy League degree on it

a reason to applaud

the amount of deranged ultraprogressive bullshit I read on twitter today makes me despair but I have to remind myself that this is a very small, loudmouthed contingent (I hope). I mean, they're pissed at Bernie now for not coming out against this, like he would do that, and like that would be helpful.

lol @ at the thought that he'd oppose the pick. Have they read a book? Don't they know he wants a seat at the table?

That should definitely be the point of despair and not the thought of Joe Biden leading us out of the Greater Depression.

We're in despair now, sugar.

See above posts about venting. No one actually thinks Bernie could or would oppose Biden or Harris or both - it's venting about the shit sandwich being forced down our throats.

how to we killfile people again?

I get the disappointment, but it's not relevant now. I just don't understand the point of bristling at that in the face of something so much worse

Dan you keep forgetting that milo only thinks Trump is a little tiny bit worse

and I can't see a single finalist better or worse than harris.

xxp - Because two things can be bad at once. That a second Trump term would be worse doesn't make the prospect of a first Biden term better - we're facing a crisis unprecedented in any of our lives and getting likely leadership unfit to face it.

Removing bookmark from thread now vp selection is done but let me know if this issue gets figured out.

I feel like this is a win win for progressives, if Biden and Harris win it gives the progressive a better seat at the table and set up the next generation to truly take over and if they lose it confirms the progressive view that they should be the representative of the Democratic party. No matter what I believe they’ll be taking over sooner rather than later. If your main disappointment is that it isn’t fast enough, I get it, but democracy is slow moving for good reasons.

I’m probably wrong as usual but don’t you think Biden would pick someone more fascinating DUCKWORTH

. That a second Trump term would be worse doesn't make the prospect of a first Biden term better

This is such a stupendously dumb thing to post that I'm...speechless.

I mean, you're a smart guy.

oh idk it moves pretty fast if you’re intention is to privatize every function of the state so your donors can wring it dry, leave a husk, and point and say “lol look govt can’t stop failing lol”

The ability to gauge the relative value of things is not as easy as some might think.

Raising your grade from a 0 to a 60 isn't going to help you graduate.

"democracy is slow moving for good reasons."

Explain.

Like that legit just sounds like a talking point that a Times columnist would use to justify the racist oligarchy that we live in.

you really would think a Democratic nominee who's not your pick would be less dangerous than Donald Trump -- and a guy posting here who's not a person of color and queer is posting this.

I've a long track record of noting and protesting Obama's national security abuses, including the drone bombing of Americans, but I'm speechless you wouldn't admit this is the tragedy of political systems. Some administrations get it better than others, even marginally. And it's on the margins where we have to troll, and it's where activists have to keep posting craven politicians. The way you write, no one deserves credit for anything.

posting = pushing

directed at milo

"democracy is slow moving for good reasons."

Explain.

― blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Tuesday, August 11, 2020 8:05 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

Decision making is obviously much slower when you ask millions of people instead of having one person decide for all, I don't think this is a controversial statement.

I haven't suggested he's not "less dangerous" than Trump, ever. (He also has done pretty much nil in his career for people of color or LGBTQ people, unless voting for DOMA or mass incarceration was a secret win?)

I think(?) Kamala will be pretty good at fucking up the Trump campaign machine, and as noted, they could have done a lot worse. It could’ve been Klobs ffs.

I’ll admit that against my better judgment, I briefly panicked last night that it could be a SURPRISE PETE pick. And I have no doubt that he’ll weasel his way into the admin somehow.

Tbh I kind of think democracy doesn't actually exist as people believe it does, but oh well. I'm "noted" as being among the far left on this board, as elsewhere, so I'll just keep my mouth shut.

But Dan S, stating objective truth about Bernie being what used to be known as a "Liberal Democrat" isn't hyperbole, fwiw.

stating objective truth about Bernie being what used to be known as a "Liberal Democrat" isn't hyperbole, fwiw

There's an interview going around with Chomsky today where he says the same thing, so this is about to become the new orthodoxy. Get ready for it.

He's been called a New Deal Democrat by Chomsky and others on the left for a very long time.

The way you write, no one deserves credit for anything.

Well, I mean... credit for what?

2020 is even shittier 2008 - so we're getting the crisis Obama inherited but many times larger.
The result of Obama and Democratic majorities was a massive subsidy for healthcare ghouls and little improvement in actual healthcare. We got no recovery for the average American, no curbing of exploding cost of living, no decrease in inequality, no reining in of state abuses (at any level). All followed by a sweeping right turn across the land.

Biden is less competent than Obama and Schumer is far less competent than Reid. What's not to despair?

Now imagine 2008-2016 if it were McCain.

honestly, if you’re in any way invested in keeping liberal capitalism alive and have any interest in the majority of your fellow citizens maintaining a shred of dignity, New Dealism should be your baseline.

I know the GOP could give less than a fuck about the latter. Not sure what the Democratic party’s excuse is.