here comes the AFRICAN GIANT / Burna Boy (2019)

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the YG and future songs from the lsat album ended up being pretty dope considering so i'm willing to give him some rope... "monsters you made" not rly a promising title tho lol

J0rdan S., Monday, 10 August 2020 14:49 (three years ago) link

jae5 has also contributed to the production!

*heart eyes*

mozzy star (voodoo chili), Monday, 10 August 2020 15:02 (three years ago) link

Monsters You Made (ft. Chris Martin)

great, a hook about Goop

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Monday, 10 August 2020 15:16 (three years ago) link

It shoulda been Christopher Martin smh.

I'm kind of surprised neither Money Play nor Odogwu are on this. I wonder if the Naughty by Nature one will be like the Blak Ryno one on AG.

Other producers: LeriQ, Telz, P2J, Rexxie, Mike Dean, Timbaland, Skread, DJDS

rob, Monday, 10 August 2020 15:18 (three years ago) link

as for the Chris Martin collab: you are all aware Burna’s on Sam Smith’s current single, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byO74UGa8bI

#mainstreamingburna

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Monday, 10 August 2020 17:48 (three years ago) link

I meant to ask if anyone has heard that yet...I have not

rob, Monday, 10 August 2020 17:50 (three years ago) link

good to see he’s working with LeriQ again, the guy who produced his early stuff.

and Timbaland - seems like a trophy collaborator, like Youssou N’Dour perhaps, but who knows...

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Monday, 10 August 2020 17:52 (three years ago) link

xp

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Monday, 10 August 2020 17:53 (three years ago) link

I quite liked it but ymmv

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Monday, 10 August 2020 17:53 (three years ago) link

tbh I can't even remember what Smith sounds like so I'm not sure why I'm avoiding it

rob, Monday, 10 August 2020 17:55 (three years ago) link

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/05/arts/music/burna-boy-twice-as-tall.html

Interview / feature

curmudgeon, Monday, 10 August 2020 18:24 (three years ago) link

solid piece. more production details:

For “Twice as Tall,” Burna Boy enlisted an American executive producer: Sean Combs, a.k.a. Diddy, who has long guided rappers and singers (most famously the Notorious B.I.G. and Mary J. Blige) toward wider audiences.

eh yeah, that was a quarter century ago (unless your counting Danity Kane or something) and they were US artists within his own genre, but whatever (Diddy had a fling with Wizkid at some point too iirc)

Combs also makes his presence audible with voice-over intros on some songs, briefly upstaging Burna Boy.

not exactly thrilled by this - or is this going to be Last Train to Lagos?

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Monday, 10 August 2020 20:06 (three years ago) link

I like this description of Burna’s artistry or whatever the word is (although I must admit I can’t attest to the pentatonic African modes):

For the most part, Burna Boy hasn’t diluted his African heritage to reach his global audience. Instead, he has placed an unmistakably African stamp on music drawn from all around Africa and from across the African diaspora. He has a calm, husky, resolute voice that exemplifies the West African cultural virtue of coolness: poise and control transcending any commotion. His melodic sense is rooted in pentatonic African modes but unconstrained by them, and he has a stable of producers who deliver some of the most innovative rhythm tracks in 21st-century pop — usually working alongside Burna Boy in his studio, he said. He sings, most often, in a pidgin of English and Yoruba, confident that his meaning will get through even if listeners don’t recognize all the words.

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Monday, 10 August 2020 20:13 (three years ago) link

Burna Boy is a leader amid a bounty of new African pop that has been increasingly welcomed in the West: a confluence of widespread availability via streaming, discovery via word-of-internet rather than former gatekeepers, and the sheer inventiveness taking place outside established music-business strongholds.


this feels about right too, the (West) African diaspora also a factor of course

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Monday, 10 August 2020 20:14 (three years ago) link

can confirm the album is on my streaming service of choice

No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Thursday, 13 August 2020 23:54 (three years ago) link

so far "way too big" rules so much

ufo, Friday, 14 August 2020 00:12 (three years ago) link

unsurprisingly chris martin is an extremely unwelcome presence here

ufo, Friday, 14 August 2020 01:27 (three years ago) link

diddy only shows up to interject once thankfully

ufo, Friday, 14 August 2020 01:47 (three years ago) link

Naughty By Nature (ft. Naughty By Nature)

Matt DC, Friday, 14 August 2020 08:01 (three years ago) link

Chris Martin is a bullet I'm not looking forward to biting, guess I'll tell myself it could be worse, could've been Allbran or somebody

The Scampos of Young Werther (Noodle Vague), Friday, 14 August 2020 08:12 (three years ago) link

Sheeran's going to be furious.

Matt DC, Friday, 14 August 2020 08:22 (three years ago) link

listening again and there is a second diddy interjection that i completely missed the first time through

honestly sheeran is a far less obnoxious vocal presence than martin, if some british white guy had to show up he'd be far from my first choice but the result would probably have been more tolerable

ufo, Friday, 14 August 2020 08:58 (three years ago) link

I told Burna I did a song with Coldplay
Next thing I know he got a song with Coldplay

triggercut, Friday, 14 August 2020 09:10 (three years ago) link

Very good album. I can't imagine I'll end up liking it as much as African Giant, but that's not a knock, AG is genius.

I was nervous about the guests...rightly so. Martin does suck, but tbrr I don't know if that song would be much better with [yr fav] on it--though thanks to dog latin, I did briefly wonder if Chronixx could have made it work--it has my least favorite Burna vocals too. I have never liked Sauti Sol very much, so those two back to back are a serious lull for me, curious if Sol fans like that one more. It's not ruinous, but the absolute wrong Stormzy shows up, all slow and moody, a missed opportunity though I quite like the women singing backup on that (see also Bank On It; swapping out all the guests for women would be an interesting exercise). Still, there's a happy surprise: Naughty by Nature sound kinda leftfield great, and as ufo mentioned Diddy's presence is not too distracting.

Anyway, even if you outright delete all the guest tracks (though no need to cut N'Dour), you end up with a strong collection, at least on par with Outside, maybe a little better once I listen more.

rob, Friday, 14 August 2020 13:22 (three years ago) link

yeah i'm not sure this feels like an endless parade of hits in the way that african giant did but it's still very good. i like the sauti sol track a lot, i've only heard a few of their tracks before but they've always been enjoyable. "naughty by nature" works despite its weird concept and i completely agree about stormzy being a wasted opportunity. even ignoring martin i think "monsters you made" is the worst track on this

ufo, Friday, 14 August 2020 13:28 (three years ago) link

i looove that synth outro in "way too big"

ufo, Friday, 14 August 2020 13:31 (three years ago) link

even ignoring martin i think "monsters you made" is the worst track on this

otm, I almost wish he'd leaned all the way into the "message song" vibe and gotten Bono

rob, Friday, 14 August 2020 13:32 (three years ago) link

Is Monsters You Made a deliberate Dirty Diana lift or just a coincidence?

Matt DC, Friday, 14 August 2020 17:38 (three years ago) link

it's deliberate, mj is a credited writer on it

ufo, Friday, 14 August 2020 22:49 (three years ago) link

all the select tracks i've tried so far are quite good. looking forward to digging in deeper.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 15 August 2020 03:11 (three years ago) link

Album is pleasant and competent, it maintains nice vibes, but it is seriously lacking innovation, energy and hits, and good feats as it has been said. He's not in front of these songs as he was in Outside / African Giant. 23 is one of the few standouts along with Wonderful, Onyeka and the too-short Alarm Clock (one could dream of a free-jazzy / funky Burna Boy album). I hate that generic trumpeting party sound in Way Too Big, it ruins the song. I don't think I'll spin this a lot.

Nabozo, Saturday, 15 August 2020 06:24 (three years ago) link

https://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/gq-hype/article/burna-boy-interview-2020

weird sequencing here leads to a smattering of garbage tracks throughout imo but there's a lot to enjoy. African Giant never quite clicked for me; this may make me go back to it.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Tuesday, 18 August 2020 10:34 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

I think I've landed on an 8-song version of this that I like quite a lot if not as much as African Giant (the other 7 range from not-bad-but-unremarkable to terrible):

Bebo
Wonderful
Onyeka (Baby)
Comma
No Fit Vex*
23
Wetin Dey Sup
Bank On It

* Spotlight on this, which is really good and doesn't sound much like past BB. I could dig a groovier, sunnier, wavier set that sounded like this and Wonderful.

So basically cut everything with a feature (sometimes Naughty By Nature sounds like goofy fun to me and sometimes like an awkward misfire), plus I find that opening run kind of ponderous. If you add Money Play and Odogwu, you'd have a strong back-to-back album imo.

rob, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 17:48 (three years ago) link

(one could dream of a free-jazzy / funky Burna Boy album)

I would also be here for this (pretty improbable) imaginary album. I rewatched his Tiny Desk last night, and it would be cool to hear him collaborate with a band.

rob, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 17:50 (three years ago) link

i've decided twice as tall suffers from a lack of kel-p vibes

whiney on the moon (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 17:56 (three years ago) link

i like twice as tall a lot an am not clear why people dislike it!

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 19:50 (three years ago) link

it lacks edge
not bad though

human and working on getting beer (longneck), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 20:04 (three years ago) link

it's still good, i just prefer the sonic palette of african giant a bit more (and the guest stars on that album blend in a lot better)

whiney on the moon (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 20:17 (three years ago) link

I def wouldn't say I dislike it. In fact, "weird sequencing here leads to a smattering of garbage tracks throughout imo but there's a lot to enjoy" is really close to how I would put it!

African Giant is a personal fave and part of why is that right off the bat I loved it and couldn't stop playing it, so this inevitably feels a little disappointing

rob, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 20:31 (three years ago) link

"Naughty by Nature" rules, improbably

unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 20:32 (three years ago) link

my fav guest spot on the album by a long shot

whiney on the moon (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 20:53 (three years ago) link

smattering of garbage tracks

i don't disagree with you here but it's interesting that opinions on what constitutes the garbage tracks vary so widely.
FWIW, I skip alarm clock, way too big, comma, Bank on it and the godawful chris martin feature which i still have not heard all the way through yet

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 20:54 (three years ago) link

the pat boone (?!?!?!?!) sample combined with timbo/djds production and a solid vocal turn from n'dour make 'level up' the most unlikely song i love this year

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 2 September 2020 20:58 (three years ago) link

Yeah might be letting my “the guests are unwelcome” thesis overdetermine my ears on that one

rob, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 21:26 (three years ago) link

Just played this from the start and enjoyed all three opening tracks and NBN...probably just need to let the whole thing marinate a little

rob, Wednesday, 2 September 2020 23:31 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

new track in response to the Lekkimassacre:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68rvZWARzew
Burna Boy • 20 10 20

Welcome to Nonrock (breastcrawl), Sunday, 1 November 2020 19:19 (three years ago) link

...the Lekki massacre...

Welcome to Nonrock (breastcrawl), Sunday, 1 November 2020 19:21 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUtZB0foy_4

just sayin, Thursday, 17 December 2020 22:05 (three years ago) link

that’s “No Be Water” by Burna with Praiz and Vector.

it’s actually a 2015 release in the so-called Hennessy Artistry series (Hennessy Nigeria paying artists to come up with a booze-friendly anthem basically). the year before they had paired up Wizkid and 2Baba for “Dance Go (Eau de Vie)”.

two months pass...

burna winning the grammy for "Best Global Music" over anoushka shankar and bebel gilberto is a strange sort of victory

G.A.G.S. (Gophers Against Getting Stuffed) (forksclovetofu), Sunday, 14 March 2021 22:30 (three years ago) link


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