I'm not nearly as hardcore as the rest of you, but "When I Think of You" is actually an important song in my personal timeline as a listener: #1 on my year-end in a year where I started working at a downtown record store, rediscovered Top 40 after a decade away (True Blue and Please were also big at the time), and, at least for a few years, drifted away from all the Michael Azzerad stuff that had dominated my life for the first half of the decade.
1. "When I Think of You"2. "Escapade"3. "The Best Things in Life Are Free"4. "Love Will Never Do (Without You)"5. "Alright"6. "All for You"7. "Let's Wait Awhile"8. "Come Back to Me"9. "Making Love in the Rain"10. "Got 'til It's Gone"
― clemenza, Saturday, 8 August 2020 14:15 (three years ago) link
kind of surprised to see "lonely" absent/low down on most lists! assumed it was canonical
― uberweiss, Saturday, 8 August 2020 15:14 (three years ago) link
underrated bop i didn't vote for but feel like deserves more: "what's ur name"
― uberweiss, Saturday, 8 August 2020 15:17 (three years ago) link
"can't b good" and "never letchu go" as well. so much generic goodness on discipline
― uberweiss, Saturday, 8 August 2020 15:26 (three years ago) link
For years I've tried to figure out my aversion to Discipline. It's competent and, as uberweiss notes, generically good for the most part. Then I realized what made it generic: Jackson has no writing credits. I've always been fascinated by how the Jackson-Jam-Lewis axis writes songs. But when her name's not in the credits I can hear the absence.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 August 2020 16:16 (three years ago) link
my basic, RN1814-top-heavy list:
01 Love Will Never Do (Without You)02 Miss You Much03 Escapade04 What Have You Done For Me Lately?05 Black Cat06 Rhythm Nation07 Together Again08 Go Deep09 All For You10 That’s the Way Love Goes11 Nasty12 The Pleasure Principle 13 Say You Do14 Control15 Someone to Call My Lover16 I Get Lonely17 You18 Alright19 Strawberry Bounce20 Unbreakable
― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Saturday, 8 August 2020 16:22 (three years ago) link
TRACKS
(Top 40)
IfEscapadeEmptyThe Pleasure PrincipleAlrightLove Will Never Do (Without You)Got 'Til It's GoneCome Back To MeTogether AgainWhat Have You Done For Me Lately
Funky Big BandNo SleeepYou Want ThisRhythm NationYouAll For YouLonelyRunawayAll Nite (Don't Stop)Someday Is Tonight
Because Of LoveAfter You FallFeels So RightFeedbackWhen We OoooDoesn't Really MatterWhen I Think Of YouThe Best Things in Life Are FreeAnythingGo Deep
That's The Way Love GoesR&B JunkieAnd On and OnNightSomeone To Call My LoverMake MeRock With USloLoveFree XoneThrob
(Bonus Tracks)
Broken Hearts HealCan't Be StoppedDo It 2 MeFast GirlsFunny How Time Flies (When You're Having Fun)Livin' In A World (They Didn't Make)My NeedPut Your Hands OnSay You DoStrawberry BounceThis TimeWhat's It Gonna Be?!Whoops Now
ALBUMS
The Velvet RopeRhythm Nation 1814janet.All For YouUnbreakable
MUSIC VIDEOS
Love Will Never Do (Without You)Got 'til It's GoneAlrightIfRhythm NationThe Pleasure PrincipleFeedbackDoesn't Really MatterScreamAll Nite (Don't Stop)
REMIXES
Go Deep (Masters At Work Remix)Diamonds (Cool Summer Mix)If (Adult Radio Mix)Call On Me (Disclosure Remix)If (Kaytranada Remix)
INTERLUDES
T.V.Livin'... In Complete DarknessSpeaker PhonePromisePledge
― Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Saturday, 8 August 2020 20:07 (three years ago) link
the top ten (really top twenty (really top thirty (really top forty (really top fifty)))) is unfuckwithable.
Yes!
absolutely convinced she's the best pop star there ever was now
Double yes!
― Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Saturday, 8 August 2020 20:09 (three years ago) link
BTW, no shade on Spottie, but I've done a Spotify playlist that ranks them from #1 down... https://open.spotify.com/playlist/5pIVl2jRHvTwgdJd07BC55?si=YKT0cgH0QYqPUE2_dGup3w
― Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Saturday, 8 August 2020 20:42 (three years ago) link
For years I've tried to figure out my aversion to Discipline. It's competent and, as uberweiss notes, generically good for the most part. Then I realized what made it generic: Jackson has no writing credits. I've always been fascinated by how the Jackson-Jam-Lewis axis writes songs. But when her name's not in the credits I can hear the absence.― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 August 2020 16:16 (five hours ago) link
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 August 2020 16:16 (five hours ago) link
I feel like this is an explanation that makes sense as a retrofitted explanation and perhaps with respect to "Feedback" (which wears its contemporary trend-chasing on its sleeve) specifically, and maybe "LUV".
But songs like "Can't B Good" or "Greatest X Ever" or "Let Me Know" feel incredibly of a piece with the songwriting approach of the previous three albums (and in the case of the first and third of those, are better than most of the material on the previous two albums), and something like "Rock With U" is spot-on frothy Janet. Is there a more Janet line for a disco bop than "Strobe lights make everything.... sexier..."?
It feels like a more Janet album (as well as a better album) than 20 y.o., which then somewhat undermines the proposition that the issue is writing credits.
― Tim F, Saturday, 8 August 2020 21:31 (three years ago) link
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 8 August 2020 21:34 (three years ago) link
I reached the conclusion privately at the time but quashed it because #auteurism.
I'm even less a fan of 20 y.o.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 August 2020 21:46 (three years ago) link
Even as measured against her most obvious contemporaneous rival, I don't consider her the equal of Madonna.
― clemenza, Saturday, 8 August 2020 21:52 (three years ago) link
Her reticence as a public figure and disinterest in theory and self-mythology may work against her, and I like not love many of her videos, but as a singles force between 1986-2004 she matches Madonna.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 August 2020 22:06 (three years ago) link
i would vote for Janet over Madonna for total body of work but it's close
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 8 August 2020 22:18 (three years ago) link
One phenomenon I noticed: when Madonna got restless she left Patrick Leonard, still her best co-songwriter/co-producer, for untried talents. Janet, however, had Jam-Lewis, who revealed themselves to be as protean as Madonna, up to any challenge. Just think how "Nasty" and "Runaway," or "Rhythm Nation" and "Rope Burn" took place along the same evolutionary track!
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 8 August 2020 22:28 (three years ago) link
Plus “Empty” and “This Time” and “If”!
― Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Saturday, 8 August 2020 23:20 (three years ago) link
Haha, I just noticed that in addition to landing an overperforming 3rd place finish, "Empty," like "Deeper and Deeper" in the Madonna poll, got 8 first-place votes, the most of any song.
― Get the point? Good, let's dance with nunchaku. (Eric H.), Saturday, 8 August 2020 23:28 (three years ago) link
janet over madonna is pretty easy for me but i've never been quite convinced of madonna's greatness. very good, sure, but not as consistent or exciting as janet at her best
janet over mj is even easier - the good part of his discography really isn't that big and i was never able to love thriller - overexposure as a child means i would be fine never hearing "thriller" or "beat it" again and i'm not exactly inclined to try to love it now for the obvious reasons
prince is wayy closer but i'm inclined to give janet the edge at the moment just for range?
james brown, stevie wonder & little richard all predate the modern 80s-onward pop star model so i wouldn't even really try to compare them
― ufo, Sunday, 9 August 2020 05:05 (three years ago) link
now that you’ve all had time to digest the Janet Jackson/g poll, maybe folx here are up for a different kind of poll: 🇳🇬 NAIJA SPECIAL: which of these *seven* current high-profile Nigerian hit songs is the best one? please help me decide
― No mean feat. DaBaby (breastcrawl), Monday, 17 August 2020 21:31 (three years ago) link
(I know I’ve plugged this poll here before, but I still think at least some (more) of you might really enjoy it. If you’re looking for way in it could be Tiwa Savage, who’s worked for or with people like George Michael, Whitney Houston, Mary J Blige, Chaka Khan, Fantasia, and Chuck Harmony during the UK- and US-centered first part of her long career. Also, Ciara bit one of her songs for “Freak Me”!)(sorry, I honestly thought I would be able to find a direct link between them, but no joy - okay, they were both on the roster for MTV’s 2018 Europe Music Award - but do yourselves a favour and take a little trip to that other Rhythm Nation!)(Janet fans also might find lots to love in Niniola, and then of course there’s... Okay, okay, I’ll stop now and remain forever silent)
putting my ballot together for this poll was the most fun I had with music all year, if not ever. good memories.
― swing out sister: live in new donk city (geoffreyess), Saturday, 19 December 2020 03:03 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SqXT3FVPgLU
― xzanfar, Saturday, 19 December 2020 03:05 (three years ago) link
My Spotify 2020 recap had Janet very much at the top of my most-played artists. That could likely have been true in any year tho.
― On average, this critic grades 8.3 points lower than other critics (Eric H.), Saturday, 19 December 2020 03:15 (three years ago) link
Compare and contrast the poll results with The Guardian's list of the 30 best Janet Jackson tracks. Four of the top five are the same, albeit in a different order.
Janet Jackson’s 30 best songs – ranked
― Portsmouth Bubblejet, Thursday, 15 April 2021 18:04 (three years ago) link
I'm absolutely at peace with that top 5.
― avatar of a kind of respectability homosexual culture (Eric H.), Thursday, 15 April 2021 18:10 (three years ago) link
One from each of her four imperial-phase albums plus "Love Will Never Do" as the bridge between the '80s and '90s eras.
― avatar of a kind of respectability homosexual culture (Eric H.), Thursday, 15 April 2021 18:13 (three years ago) link
holy shit Empty at #5
― Warmed Regards, (Stevie D(eux)), Thursday, 15 April 2021 20:39 (three years ago) link
She's selling her wedding dress? If it's a marriage that ended acrimoniously, I guess so, but still strikes me as a little unseemly.
― clemenza, Thursday, 15 April 2021 20:52 (three years ago) link
(If the money is earmarked for charity, obviously very different.)
― clemenza, Thursday, 15 April 2021 20:53 (three years ago) link
That's a surprisingly great list / write-up. Nice to see some thoughtful coverage of more recent tracks e.g. "Rock With U", "Should've Known Better", "The Great Forever".
― Tim F, Friday, 16 April 2021 00:17 (three years ago) link
Agreed.
― So who you gonna call? The martini police (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 16 April 2021 00:22 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNh8c-yi7bI
― Spottie, Wednesday, 12 January 2022 17:35 (two years ago) link
<3
― Nedlene Grendel as Basenji Holmo (map), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 17:56 (two years ago) link
I HOPE I'M NOT BEING TOO CRASS HERE
. . . but those are cock rings.
(seriously tho, very cool video)
― get shrunk by this funk. (Austin), Wednesday, 12 January 2022 18:10 (two years ago) link
guys the 4-part Janet documentary that just aired on Lifetime is very good. I am constantly pinching myself that she’s sitting there on camera talking about her life SO much vhs footage <3
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 31 January 2022 03:39 (two years ago) link
I missed it but hope to see it at some point. Saw folks commenting elsewhere that she chooses not to discuss various things especially controversial ones.
― curmudgeon, Monday, 31 January 2022 18:31 (two years ago) link
well yeah, she’s calling the shots- she’s so private, there’s no way she’d agree to do it at all unless she had a say on what goes in & what doesnt they address mj somewhat but it’s brief & very much the party line as far as the family is concernexdon’t go in expecting a hbo deep research independent investigation bc its def not that. there’s a reason it’s on Lifetime the fact that she’s saying anything at all about anything is the selling point
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Monday, 31 January 2022 20:03 (two years ago) link
Entirely coincidentaly I've had the Control Remixes album on perambulation rotation and have been massively enjoying (among the rest) The Pleasure Principle (Shep Pettibone Long Vocal Mix).
― feed me with your clicks (Noel Emits), Tuesday, 1 February 2022 00:09 (two years ago) link
yessss!i had a whole Janet dance party yesterday after watching all 4 doc episodes :D
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 1 February 2022 01:15 (two years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmZGQ0xT0zg
― Spottie, Friday, 25 February 2022 05:07 (two years ago) link
been vibing to this so hard the past weekhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nT28f3lY-MY
― Stevie D(eux), Friday, 18 March 2022 20:48 (two years ago) link
A really great one.
― Max Hamburgers (Eric H.), Friday, 18 March 2022 21:22 (two years ago) link
57 today. Played "Escapade" for a grade 7 class. Either too apathetic to raise a hand (a real possibility with this class) or indicative of how much things have changed: no response to "Anyone know her music?"
― clemenza, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 13:15 (eleven months ago) link
I appreciate this specific effort because "Escapade" is godhead, but I'm curious ... do you let your students get cracks at picking media to share?
― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 13:28 (eleven months ago) link
What do they think about Madonna? Janet Jackson has an amazing catalog of hits, but she's never been anywhere near the dominant personality of, say, Madonna. Further factor in the fallout from the Super Bowl and subsequent semi exile, and maybe that explains why she has less resonance with really young people?
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 13:29 (eleven months ago) link
Genuinely didn't realize that "If" was earmarked as the first single. I think the swap worked in both songs' favor:
that's the way love goes, indeed. pic.twitter.com/TkJIWxBDz4— Mike Servito (@mikeservito) May 15, 2023
― fair but so uncool beliefs here (Eric H.), Tuesday, 16 May 2023 13:31 (eleven months ago) link
I agree with that
― Tim F, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 13:44 (eleven months ago) link
do you let your students get cracks at picking media to share?
Well, they're not my students--I'm just in as a supply. When I had my own class, we did lots of stuff where they picked something for an assignment. But for Today in History, then and now, I pick whatever song/film clip I want to play.
I'm sure most know at least something about Madonna. (I also suspect a few in here know at least something about Janet Jackson. They're just not the most forthcoming class.)
― clemenza, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 13:51 (eleven months ago) link
My first choice, by the way, was "Love Will Never Do Without You." Looked at the video...nope.
― clemenza, Tuesday, 16 May 2023 13:54 (eleven months ago) link