The Spotify mp3 buy was real. Spotify didn’t distinguish between full length mixes and a 3 minute track so I was able to download the full length mix of some of the Late Night Tales albums for a fraction of the cost of buying each track seperately.
― Dan Worsley, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 07:30 (three years ago) link
i guess i found my hill to die on pic.twitter.com/Sgv3AkgnHs— ZOLA JESUS OF TSUSHIMA (@ZOLAJESUS) August 5, 2020
― the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 18:12 (three years ago) link
made me think of fgti itt:
For 100,000 streams Spotify pays $400.....Apple pays $600.....Tidal pays $2,800. Unfortunately none of y’all fuck with Tidal....it’s either Spotify or Apple Music....lol the black business pays more and gets the least amount of love. Smh— Trizz (@Tr1zz) July 31, 2020
― Rob, give a listen to Iggy Stooge (morrisp), Thursday, 6 August 2020 04:29 (three years ago) link
they also charge more, came late to the party, bellyflopped their initial publicity push and have been playing catch up since. which is not to say i couldn't see switching over to them at some point in the future! just that their lack of market share is not inexplicable.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 6 August 2020 05:42 (three years ago) link
This is unfair but the "founding member" artists of Tidal are almost all people I loathe and want to see go bankrupt.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 6 August 2020 05:47 (three years ago) link
I liked Tidal when I tried it, though its interface is almost an exact Spotify clone (for better or worse). If I had to give up YTM for some reason, I would probably go with Tidal.
― Rob, give a listen to Iggy Stooge (morrisp), Thursday, 6 August 2020 06:37 (three years ago) link
Tidal pays 70% of their revenue in royalties, divided up by streams the same way Spotify and Apple pay. The "rate" is not a thing in itself, it's just the result of dividing total royalties paid by total streams. Tidal's main draw is the $20/mo HiFi plan, which nobody else offers, so presumably a significant share of their subscribers pay for that, but if 100m Spotify users all moved over to Tidal's regular $10 plan because Tidal's "rate" is higher, the rate would go down.
Also, at last report Tidal had single-digit millions of subscribers, so if you're getting 100k streams on Tidal, you're probably Jay Z.
― glenn mcdonald, Thursday, 6 August 2020 17:24 (three years ago) link
Tidal's main gimmick was a circuit city home theater A/B room
― it's a spicy dinner we're having (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 6 August 2020 17:45 (three years ago) link
Reading through those quarterly shareholder reports, it seems as if the main issue with Spotify (insofar as artist compensation is concerned) is the free-with-ads service. I'm torn. Saying "get rid of the free-with-ads program" is kinda classist, but how else can we get around the fact that the main DSP is giving away the music for free and making crazy profits off of it?
$10 a month for free music forever is so... reasonable, too. And ulysses otm, TIDAL's launch was embarrassing
― flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 6 August 2020 17:45 (three years ago) link
A music enthusiast friend of mine, however, who had both a TIDAL and a Spotify account, said that he much preferred TIDAL's playlist creation and so forth-- he said it was generally just much higher quality than Spotify's. Anyway
― flamboyant goon tie included, Thursday, 6 August 2020 17:46 (three years ago) link
Can artists put their own ads in the middle of albums like podcasts?
― it's a spicy dinner we're having (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 6 August 2020 17:47 (three years ago) link
that would be an interesting hell
― it's a spicy dinner we're having (Sufjan Grafton), Thursday, 6 August 2020 17:49 (three years ago) link
Sigue Sigue Sputnik lp had adverts between tracks in '86
― koogs, Thursday, 6 August 2020 18:32 (three years ago) link
Werent beyonce and her husband doing dodgy shit to funnel extra Tidal royalties their own way?
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 6 August 2020 22:26 (three years ago) link
Tidal was accused of that and there was an investigation, but I don't know if there is any more recent news.
― Rob, give a listen to Iggy Stooge (morrisp), Thursday, 6 August 2020 23:01 (three years ago) link
"beyonce and her husband" would have been a far superior name for the carters
― the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Friday, 7 August 2020 00:25 (three years ago) link
Sorry if this issue has been addressed already (it’s a huge thread !) : after an update, I have lost almost all my albums library (on iphone). It’s weird since when I look for a specific album that was in my library, it still has the heart/selected thing but it’s not in the library anymore...This is pretty annoying since I had a BIG albums library and it’s the main way I used the app... almost feel like quitting Spotify now that all that work has been reduced to dust...
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 7 August 2020 09:42 (three years ago) link
Even downloaded albums have disappeared from the library although they’re still downloaded !
― AlXTC from Paris, Friday, 7 August 2020 09:47 (three years ago) link
from the Pavement thread (possible chicanery):
interesting new Pavement album came out on Spotify last friday
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Monday, August 10, 2020 2:43 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
Is that like the (now removed) new Neutral Milk Hotel song that popped up on Spotify over the weekend? Seemed like Jeff Mangum going future bass was a 2020 twist too good to be true.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Monday, August 10, 2020 2:48 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
this will be 1/2 of ILM's favorite Pavement album lmao
― Thicc Nhat Wanh (rip van wanko), Monday, August 10, 2020 2:57 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
Anybody know what’s going on? There’s also a new «Yo La Tengo» single on Spotify in a similar vein, i.e relatively basic instrumental EDM
― Mule, Tuesday, August 11, 2020 2:24 AM (eight hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
Someone lost the keys to the Matador office?
― Washington Foosball Team (morrisp), Tuesday, August 11, 2020 2:36 AM (eight hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 15:05 (three years ago) link
Thanks for bringing that over, I was about to do the same. Curious to why this is suddenly happening to prominent indie bands.
― soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 15:27 (three years ago) link
Useful to remember that all music is delivered to Spotify through licensors, in bulk. No artist is logging in and uploading songs, that isn't a thing (yet). So when stuff like this happens, it's not an account-security issue, it's that somebody decided to type "Moses Gunn Collective" into the "artist" field on their new release, and the artist was obscure enough that they got away with it for a few days before somebody reported it.
(It's still a real problem, mind you, and this recent spate of junk aimed at indie bands is all coming from one licensor and being investigated...)
― glenn mcdonald, Tuesday, 11 August 2020 15:39 (three years ago) link
Thanks, Glenn. Just out of curiosity, why does the obscurity of the artist matter for something like this? Why isn’t the new entry treated as a different artist (with the same name), instead of automatically linked up with an existing one?
― Washington Foosball Team (morrisp), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 15:46 (three years ago) link
I forgot to add: she continued to insist she was right after I started to GIS.
― Boring, Maryland, Tuesday, 11 August 2020 15:53 (three years ago) link
Of course, but what I’m saying is, why are they automatically linked up in the database? Why is it not treated as a different entity unless proven otherwise (whatever that would mean)? A lot of bands have identical names (historically, anyway).
― Washington Foosball Team (morrisp), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 15:55 (three years ago) link
I thought that problem had been solved when the Spotifys of the world finally stopped infecting the artist page for Unrest (the ‘80s/‘90s indie band) with albums & tracks by more recent hardcore/metal bands with the same name (there’s still one of those on YouTube Music, actually).
― Washington Foosball Team (morrisp), Tuesday, 11 August 2020 16:00 (three years ago) link
We get stuff from the same real bands via multiple distributors all the time, due to the fractured nature of global licensing, so "different entity unless proven otherwise" would produce the opposite problem where one band would routinely end up with many separate profile pages that would have to be manually combined. So there's a complicated bit of software that tries to use multiple cues to figure out what the right assignments are for ambiguous submissions. It usually works, and we have a team of people checking questionable cases and fixing things. This particular case is in some ways the hardest, because a new "Moses Gunn Collective" release arrives and we've only ever seen one artist by that name, so there has to be some piece of data that really clearly indicates this is not that band. For you, as a human who knows the band, it's clear when you listen. Computers can't do that nearly as well. We do use some audio analysis to flag potential mismatches, but with 50k+ releases every week, it's hard to check all the ones that might be wrong. So we tend to check in popularity order, to try to catch the cases that will affect the most listeners...
― glenn mcdonald, Wednesday, 12 August 2020 19:44 (three years ago) link
tl/dr: I hate Yo La Tengo
― DJI, Wednesday, 12 August 2020 19:47 (three years ago) link
not sure this phenomenon hurts Yo La Tengo much. Would be more accurate to say "tldr: I hate Yo La Tengo listeners". and fair enough, spotify, fair enough.
― it's a spicy dinner we're having (Sufjan Grafton), Wednesday, 12 August 2020 20:38 (three years ago) link
xxp Interesting, thx glenn
― Washington Foosball Team (morrisp), Thursday, 13 August 2020 04:04 (three years ago) link
honestly don't know what i've done to get jack kerouac on my discover weekly. also the pogues, other irish music, ethiopan jazz, but i can tolerate those.
― neith moon (ledge), Monday, 17 August 2020 13:17 (three years ago) link
honestly i've been pretty much mainlining autechre for weeks on end just to see what it throws up and it's like 'hey try some woody guthrie!'
― neith moon (ledge), Monday, 17 August 2020 13:18 (three years ago) link
I see the false Pavement has now been broken off and given their own artist page (guess I was one of those 168 listeners in Los Angeles).
― Get your filthy hands off my asp (morrisp), Monday, 17 August 2020 23:44 (three years ago) link
Appears to be down
― chonky floof (groovypanda), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 13:08 (three years ago) link
desktop app is not working.
web version search isnt working but if you have the url to the album it will play
― Oor Neechy, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 13:15 (three years ago) link
a former uk ilxor from the very early days of ilx signed up for Spotify today and clearly broke UK spotify.
― Oor Neechy, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 13:20 (three years ago) link
Working for me through Android.
― Dan Worsley, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 13:25 (three years ago) link
desktop app seems to be working again
― Oor Neechy, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 13:27 (three years ago) link
it was really laggy and unresponsive yesterday evening for me. seems fine now.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 19 August 2020 15:11 (three years ago) link
mostly an interview with Jared at Bandcamp, but still goes here. liked the Ed. note
https://www.npr.org/2020/08/19/903547253/a-tale-of-two-ecosystems-on-bandcamp-spotify-and-the-wide-open-future
[Ed. note: We've been noticing, anecdotally but with increasing frequency, that many new releases we'd like to include on our playlists don't make the jump from being posted on Bandcamp to appearing on platforms like Spotify.]
― Milton Parker, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 19:42 (three years ago) link
That was great, thanks!
― DJI, Wednesday, 19 August 2020 20:59 (three years ago) link
Good article, though the introductory paragraphs are a bit like RADIOS DO THIS, RECORD SHOPS DO THAT, WHY DO PEOPLE LISTEN TO THE RADIO NOT GO TO THE RECORD SHOP?!?!
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Thursday, 20 August 2020 05:33 (three years ago) link
“Hide song” doesn’t sync across clients?
― calstars, Thursday, 20 August 2020 14:37 (three years ago) link
Just idly wondering if tags would be a possible/useful feature? I have so many bloody playlists that some days I'd like to be able to search my own library by mood, or country or feel.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Sunday, 23 August 2020 10:47 (three years ago) link
I imagine anything more complex around personal tagging of tracks than the starring, at least across multiple devices, would be a big headache to implement. Would be brilliant to have, though. I'd love a notes field, or the ability to add your own accurate year info.
― Alba, Sunday, 23 August 2020 10:59 (three years ago) link
Yes, I imagine it's down to the complexities of management. Ah well.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Sunday, 23 August 2020 11:31 (three years ago) link
Have they cut down number of daily mixes? I seem to have 4 rather than 6.
― Dan Worsley, Sunday, 23 August 2020 13:46 (three years ago) link
you have angered spotify, and they are being passive aggressive about it. (I have 6).
― it's a spicy dinner we're having (Sufjan Grafton), Sunday, 23 August 2020 15:17 (three years ago) link
what's up with the weird unofficial albums that pop up from time to time?
i came across this one the other day:https://open.spotify.com/album/5YJnD5KqNUwbV3AnXEIYTU?si=t-HZeuSDRWqcHBrnbsty-w
and i just have to wonder who exactly is responsible for such things. and why.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Sunday, 23 August 2020 16:32 (three years ago) link
Good question
― Isinglass Ponys (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 23 August 2020 16:48 (three years ago) link
it's basically unlistenable. idgi. is anyone going to the tony toni tone and getting fooled into playing it for more than thirty seconds?
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Sunday, 23 August 2020 17:02 (three years ago) link