https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJZHm5_i1vI
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:16 (three years ago) link
2006 Steve Sinton Tomáš Bureš Olga Tikhonova Silvia Finocchi Ferreira2007 Orazio Salvatori Orazio Salvatori Alina Popa Andrea Carvalho2008 Alessandro Savi Lionel Beyeke Vivian Hijikema Maria Stukova2009 Mahadev Deka Martin Kasal Larissa Cunha Dora Rodrigues2010 Charles Mario Miha Zupan Valentyna Yefyemchuk Flora Conte
― À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:21 (three years ago) link
xxp I definitely fall into the category of someone who grew up buying into the "80's sucked" ethos, however looking back and having a lot more knowledge of what came out during that era, I can firmly pinpoint my dislike on production and mixing fads and early digital technology being overused to a fault. Gated reverb, a renewed emphasis on upper midrange and high frequencies when mixing, near ubiquitous bass roll off after 1984, a new wave of digital FX, the way (non-punk/hardcore) distorted guitars were recorded and mixed, pre-emphasized CDs, etc.
Also the decade has two distinct flavors, the first being 80-84, which had a ton of great R&B, late disco and hybrid funk and other weird shit that retains some of that bass warmth of the 70's and groove while exhibiting some crisper arrangements and more forward thinking sounds (see Megatron Man, Computer World, The Dreaming, Straight from the Heart, etc etc).
85-90 is the second, and even after hearing a ton of things I like from this era, I still think it's one of the least interesting eras for studio albums. The club scene from this period however must have been lit, and that is where all the bass went, as it was certainly not found in the recordings. This production trend persists a few years into the 90's until maybe 92/93 when frequencies below 200hz start to make a comeback thanks to rap and house/techno making its way outside the club and onto the charts more. In fact I can think of very few fairly mainstream records from 85-89 where the production feels "timeless" like, say Talk Talk. Maybe Hounds of Love? I'm sure there's others, but it feels few and far between.
That said, the ideas expressed in the 80's, the influence of queer culture, the excitement of new sounds and genres being born or in their infancy (rap/hip hop, new jack swing, house, techno, hardcore, shoegazer, industrial music, dancehall) all make the decade something to be celebrated. I just wish it sounded better, but the 90's basically did that - refined those genres into polished gems.
― octobeard, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:23 (three years ago) link
numerology is for feebs; go 66-75, 76-85, 86-95 or go home
― rumpy riser (ogmor), Monday, August 3, 2020 6:59 PM (eighteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
otm.
― mozzy star (voodoo chili), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:24 (three years ago) link
*bullshit alert* I feel sometimes like us nerds want pop music to have the same uhhh epistemological structure as sports or science or something but it ends up all boring subtanceless theology-y
― brimstead, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:26 (three years ago) link
Tbf everything is boring substanceless theology.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:27 (three years ago) link
aw pom your mom doesn't make me think of theology at all
― the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:29 (three years ago) link
Theology comes in many shapes and sizes, Simon.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:30 (three years ago) link
some impressively sinewy and ripped posts itt tonight!
― calzino, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:32 (three years ago) link
flatten the theology curve
― XVI Pedicabo eam (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:33 (three years ago) link
theology, like all thought, is a mirror that judges the voyeur
religion is not on trial
― À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:33 (three years ago) link
Just because there's no substance to it doesn't mean it lacks form amirite.
― pomenitul, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:34 (three years ago) link
enforcing the fairytale atmosphere by having the children and animals privy to a magical world denied to the adults
― À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:35 (three years ago) link
― calzino, Monday, August 3, 2020 8:
Music is the new gay thread
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 00:41 (three years ago) link
My 80s are Prince and Def Leppard and Chaka Khan and Bowie and Michael Jackson and the Clash and Steel Pulse and the Stones and Madonna and Kool & the Gang and the Police and Modern English and DeBarge and Cyndi and Thomas Dolby and Sparks and the GoGos and Peter Tosh and Bruce Springsteen and the Psychedelic Furs and Joan Armatrading and Dexy and Van Halen and Lionel Richie and Howard Jones and Wham and the Pogues and Whitney Houston and Journey and OMD and Joan Jett and Weird Al and Til Tuesday and Simple Minds and Terence Trent D'Arby and Cameo and Tears for Fears and Morris Day.
If you want to conflate all that into "DX7s and gated reverb" be my guest, but it looks like a decent panoply of sounds and musical concepts to me.
― we slept on the banks on the leaves of a banyan tree (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 01:05 (three years ago) link
I get the sense that Pavement are too derivative for the crowd that came up with SST bands, Husker Du, etc. in the '80s
I think this describes me. I liked and *saw* many of the SST bands (as well as the Fall) but I just couldn't relate to Pavement - not sure whether if it was their "derivativeness" or their vibe or their feel... It could be just that I was a teenager going to SST shows but was 22 or so when I first heard Pavement, so maybe had different tastes by then or a different mindset.
I simultaneously believe that the '80s were a great decade for music and that there were long stretches of it when it was really boring to listen to Top 40 radio. Underground/club stuff always fun though. Even though I love freestyle - mostly a post-'84 trend - I agree with the notion that '80-'84 had more appealing grooves before production got all cluttered.
― Josefa, Tuesday, 4 August 2020 01:16 (three years ago) link
I have no idea whether this is controversial or not but when I'm listening to ambient music nothing turns me off more than spoken word passages.
― pomenitul, Monday, 14 September 2020 16:21 (three years ago) link
avoid anything on Fax records (aka some of the greatest ambient music ever made)
But I feel your pain because this is me w/ jazz
― Paul Ponzi, Monday, 14 September 2020 16:31 (three years ago) link
I'm like that with jazz too, barring a couple of exceptions (Matana Roberts, for instance).
― pomenitul, Monday, 14 September 2020 16:35 (three years ago) link
Yeah agree about Matana, she can do no wrong tbh
― Paul Ponzi, Monday, 14 September 2020 16:35 (three years ago) link
agree except if it's words in a language I don't understand. then it's ~mysterious~.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Monday, 14 September 2020 16:42 (three years ago) link
Mostly agree, except if it's done supremely well, a la Robert Ashley,
And having said that, there's a moment if I'm playing a podcast and switch apps to play music, when the two crossover and I have an experience of what I understand as pure ASMR - to the point where, if I'm driving, I'll almost have to pull over. Weird.
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Monday, 14 September 2020 16:46 (three years ago) link
That should have been 'but having said that...'
― Vanishing Point (Chinaski), Monday, 14 September 2020 16:47 (three years ago) link
Disagree, particularly if there are samples involved, I dig it. CF. Bill Nelson - Sleeplessness
― Gerald McBoing-Boing, Monday, 14 September 2020 17:18 (three years ago) link
Samples do make it more bearable, but it's still a nope from me 99% of the time. Basically any bits of intelligible speech are too much, unless we're talking about a brief interlude (e.g. the amusingly bizarre intrusion of 'toujours humecter la mouture, toujours', cribbed from 37° 2 le matin aka Betty Blue, on Stars of the Lid's ...and Their Refinement of the Decline).
― pomenitul, Monday, 14 September 2020 18:53 (three years ago) link
The Pulitzer Prize for DAMN. should have at the least been divided between all of the credited composers on the album, if not the producers as well.
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Monday, 14 September 2020 18:59 (three years ago) link
kind of agree on vocal jazz. never really been able to get down with it, as it honestly sounds kind of corny to me. even including folks like ella and billie. i respect it, but given a choice, i'm going with instrumentals 100% of the time.
same re:spoken parts in ambient music. great way to ruin it.
my challop for the day: there never has been, and there never will be, a time when electric blues is more appealing than acoustic blues. especially on studio recordings.
also xpost sund4r: that's a valid point, but the same could be made about a lot of pulizter and nobel prize winners. everyone's got their respective "tribes."
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 14 September 2020 19:04 (three years ago) link
I don't think it could be said of most Pulitzer winners in music, no: there is usually one credited composer for the pieces that win most years. Unless you mean librettists should share in the award when it is given to an opera or that e.g. Ornette's band should have shared his award, both of which I would consider valid.
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Monday, 14 September 2020 19:08 (three years ago) link
The Seattle Symphony/Ludovic Morlot's performance of John Luther Adams's Become Ocean feels less integral to the piece's success than the quasi ghostwriters behind DAMN..
xp yep
― pomenitul, Monday, 14 September 2020 19:11 (three years ago) link
If the academy is to expand the definition of "distinguished composition", they also need to expand their definition of composition accordingly, if you catch my drift.
― The nexus of the crisis and the origin of storms (Sund4r), Monday, 14 September 2020 19:16 (three years ago) link
Kendrick is a state of mind.
― pomenitul, Monday, 14 September 2020 19:17 (three years ago) link
so is equally crediting those responsible for said state of mind.
ahh shit, i got us stuck in a feedback loop. sry.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Monday, 14 September 2020 19:26 (three years ago) link
Harry Smith gets way too much credit for the Anthology of American Folk Music. So he picked the songs and wrote the liner notes, big fucking deal. He also missed A TON of great music simply because it didn’t happen to be in his record collection.
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 20:56 (three years ago) link
He and Lomax both. We missed out on a lot of really great stuff for a really long time because the curators - whose hard work I acknowledge as a gift despite these omissions - weren't interested in stuff outside their own specific preferences. The tons of amazing African American banjo players, for instance.
― Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 21:21 (three years ago) link
What’s Going On is a bit boring.
― 29 facepalms, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 22:06 (three years ago) link
I like it but I'd prefer a bit more edge throughout (one 'Inner City Blues' isn't quite enough).
― sock solipsist (pomenitul), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 22:08 (three years ago) link
― Mr. Snrub, Wednesday, September 23, 2020 3:56 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
― Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, September 23, 2020 4:21 PM (forty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
did we miss out on great stuff because of them or did we later discover more great stuff because they created a space where there was interest in preserving and listening to that kind of music?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 22:11 (three years ago) link
what if they never existed? how much would have been lost? how much more music was documented and later released because of the interest in pre war stuff they cultivated?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 22:12 (three years ago) link
Lomax had an awful habit of trying to get the best blues artists of their day to perform folk tunes because that was his idea about what they should be playing, it's great he recorded them at all, but annoying that he failed to capture the music they actually wanted to play. He made 30s folk & blues a whole lot less interesting than 20s folk & blues.
― 好 now 烧烤 (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 22:12 (three years ago) link
― Boring, Maryland, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 22:31 (three years ago) link
yes, please read blues as "blues" - it was Lomax who did a great deal of the pigeonholing
― 好 now 烧烤 (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 22:33 (three years ago) link
I agree but that happened before him too, Robert Johnson had a wider repertoire (They're Red Hot the only recorded evidence) than what was portrayed on his recordingsthough I guess my argument is that ideally they would have been recorded by someone who wasn't trying to push a musical direction on them, but the more likely reality is they wouldn't have been recorded at all
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 22:36 (three years ago) link
nothing is really more to blame than the 1929 crash, which destroyed the record industry for a generation or more.
― 好 now 烧烤 (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 22:43 (three years ago) link
COVID-19 is a serious threat to live music, for those of us who still enjoy concerts and festivals.
www.SaveOurStages.com
― DT, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 22:52 (three years ago) link
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, September 23, 2020 6:11 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink
point well taken. As I said, I'm reluctant to pile on because of the very thing you mention: the creation of a space that might not have existed otherwise.
― Paul Ponzi, Wednesday, 23 September 2020 23:34 (three years ago) link
re: what's going on
if you want more edge in that material, i highly recommend seeking out the deluxe edition with the live recordings.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 23:49 (three years ago) link
I never really connected with what's going on. much prefer here, my dear
― despacito ergo sum (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 23 September 2020 23:49 (three years ago) link
y'all need to relisten to "right on," it's crazy
the first side is a gorgeous suite; i get feeling like it's two towering singles linked together by interstitials, but look into those interstitials and you'll find psychedelically dense orchestral arrangements and beautiful chord progressions, even if they're not exactly songful
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 24 September 2020 00:03 (three years ago) link
agreed, brad. it's a much cerebral record than it may initially appear.
also, jim re: here, my dear— i do agree that it's the better album and that what's going on is, generally speaking, kind of overrated. but it's overrated in the same way that like marquee moon might be: it's still a classic album when it's all said and done.
again: deluxe edition highly recommended for anyone looking for a fresh perspective on the album.
― Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Thursday, 24 September 2020 16:43 (three years ago) link
There's several Curtis Mayfield albums that I'd want to listen to 50 times before I put on Let's Get It On once
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 24 September 2020 17:11 (three years ago) link