shohei ohtani alert

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42-pitch second inning -> shower -> MRI

Andy K, Monday, 3 August 2020 02:28 (three years ago) link

strained something pronator, no more pitching this year

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 4 August 2020 02:18 (three years ago) link

seven months pass...

2-2, BB
4IP 1ER 2BB 5K

, Sunday, 21 March 2021 21:59 (three years ago) link

one month passes...

Something more than a trivial occurrence:

twitter.com/Angels/status/1386713631207792642

clemenza, Tuesday, 27 April 2021 00:27 (two years ago) link

three weeks pass...

94 at eye-level

"Oh my goodness. OH MY goodness. Shohei Ohtani..." #WeBelieve pic.twitter.com/FNAcTDiXO3

— Justin Groc (@jgroc) May 18, 2021

mookieproof, Tuesday, 18 May 2021 03:48 (two years ago) link

Don’t think you’re meant to be able to do that

Clara Lemlich stan account (silby), Tuesday, 18 May 2021 03:52 (two years ago) link

god I would fuckin hate pitching to that guy

frogbs, Tuesday, 18 May 2021 03:58 (two years ago) link

whoa

k3vin k., Tuesday, 18 May 2021 04:16 (two years ago) link

So sad to think he won't make the post-season.

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 20 May 2021 00:45 (two years ago) link

his velo is way way down tonight

reggae mike love (polyphonic), Thursday, 20 May 2021 00:48 (two years ago) link

I'm reading 89 mph fastballs?

Van Horn Street, Thursday, 20 May 2021 00:52 (two years ago) link

he's throwing up to 95 now in the 4th

, Thursday, 20 May 2021 01:12 (two years ago) link

one month passes...

2 HRs tonight (Angels are down by 5)

frogbs, Wednesday, 30 June 2021 01:02 (two years ago) link

a pittsburgher i follow drove to nyc specifically to see ohtani tonight and lol

mookieproof, Thursday, 1 July 2021 00:01 (two years ago) link

2 more HRs tonight

frogbs, Saturday, 3 July 2021 03:48 (two years ago) link

I would never in a million years bet on Ohtani having the season he’s having right now.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Saturday, 3 July 2021 14:42 (two years ago) link

Folks need to stop comparing Shohei Ohtani to Babe Ruth

Shohei Ohtani is the first Shohei Ohtani

Nobody’s ever done what he’s done in a half season, and it’s somehow still not getting enough media coverage https://t.co/cGY2CzpeUn

— joon 이준엽 (@joonlee) July 8, 2021

Andy K, Thursday, 8 July 2021 00:41 (two years ago) link

I agree that there aren't enough superlatives to describe what he's doing.

However, when it comes to Ohtani, there can never be enough comparisons to Babe Ruth. Babe f'n Ruth!!

NoTimeBeforeTime, Thursday, 8 July 2021 08:22 (two years ago) link

The need for the angels to make the playoffs only grows more and more urgent

Michael F Gill, Thursday, 8 July 2021 15:51 (two years ago) link

when is he a free agent? he will be an LA dodger or a boston red sock or a new york motherfucker in a couple years

Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Thursday, 8 July 2021 16:01 (two years ago) link

yea he seems like one of those players who could singlehandedly rescue the sport but having him play on the West Coast on a team that's 4th in their division sucks. crazy if the Angels miss the playoffs yet again despite having 2 generational talents on their team

frogbs, Thursday, 8 July 2021 16:49 (two years ago) link

it's a team sport

which consists 95% of moments of individual skill

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 8 July 2021 16:54 (two years ago) link

this is one of the hardest hit balls I've ever seen

Ohtani to the MOON. 😳 pic.twitter.com/BeZ3Ek9gF6

— MLB (@MLB) July 10, 2021

frogbs, Saturday, 10 July 2021 03:14 (two years ago) link

fucking absurd man

k3vin k., Saturday, 10 July 2021 03:22 (two years ago) link

I don't know about you but I cannot see the ball post-impact with Ohtani's bat. I think he hit it so hard it disintegrated into fucking quarks.

Guayaquil (eephus!), Saturday, 10 July 2021 03:26 (two years ago) link

you can just briefly see it shoot straight up, it kind of looks like the 600-foot pop up from Major League

frogbs, Saturday, 10 July 2021 03:29 (two years ago) link

463 feet

k3vin k., Saturday, 10 July 2021 03:31 (two years ago) link

It feels like he should be more talked about.

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 20 July 2021 02:20 (two years ago) link

Not here, but in media generally.

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 20 July 2021 02:30 (two years ago) link

watching so many people discover Giannis even though he's been 2x MVP kinda tells me you need some playoff success for that to happen

frogbs, Tuesday, 20 July 2021 02:48 (two years ago) link

Thinking about DiMaggio's streak and Richard's 50 in 50, I have the feeling we used to have national conversations about specific athlete in a way we don't anymore? Maybe I'm wrong. But it seems conversations about sports are much more macro and/or focused on the past (how much can we still create content around Michael Jordan, I'm certain more people are aware of Jeter than of Trout or Ohtani).

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 20 July 2021 03:38 (two years ago) link

tom pagnozzi

Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 20 July 2021 03:40 (two years ago) link

haha, mais encore?

Van Horn Street, Tuesday, 20 July 2021 03:42 (two years ago) link

...

matt pagnozzi :(

Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 20 July 2021 03:56 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

ohtani is the first player to be named AL Player of the month in back to back months (June and July) since josh hamilton in 2012

Z_TBD (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 3 August 2021 06:22 (two years ago) link

two weeks pass...

40 HR, 2.79 ERA

Angels are still .500 though

frogbs, Thursday, 19 August 2021 04:08 (two years ago) link

that’s fucking crazy

this season is historic

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 19 August 2021 09:06 (two years ago) link

Orange County doesn’t deserve this dude

(•̪●) (carne asada), Thursday, 19 August 2021 12:46 (two years ago) link

i honestly would never have expected him to have a season like this. just did not think this was possible.

FRAUDULENT STEAKS (The Cursed Return of the Dastardly Thermo Thinwall), Thursday, 19 August 2021 14:14 (two years ago) link

well it's never been done before!

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 19 August 2021 14:18 (two years ago) link

What a joy this guy is

Guayaquil (eephus!), Thursday, 19 August 2021 15:54 (two years ago) link

he's on pace to make the top 10 single season WAR list, which is basically all guys like Babe Ruth and Barry Bonds, plus those insane Yaz & Hornsby seasons

frogbs, Thursday, 19 August 2021 15:58 (two years ago) link

there are a bunch of guys having monster seasons and he’s 2 wins ahead of them

k3vin k., Thursday, 19 August 2021 16:49 (two years ago) link

even though ppl, like, intuitively understand this, it's still an under discussed story that the angels have had one of the greatest baseball players in 100+ years on their team for a decade, and now have an international superstar putting up one of the greatest seasons in 100+ years... and still LITERALLY CANNOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS MORE THAN ONE TIME!!! you can make a very reasonable argument that this fact alone has contributed to baseball's decline as a national interest and cultural phenomenon. you could also make a very reasonable argument that it's in the best interest of baseball to forcibly remove arte moreno as owner and find someone who could maybe run a franchise in LA w/ 2 of the best players in baseball and get them into the playoffs, like, one time before the world implodes. it's not asking for much!

J0rdan S., Thursday, 19 August 2021 17:08 (two years ago) link

its a uniquely frustrating scenario...idk if the Angels ownership/management just sucks but I can't really point to a single thing they've done over the last decade that's worked, outside of maybe the trade for Andrelton Simmons. they also happened to grab those two players during the years where they knew Pujols was gonna be an albatross - they signed him knowing full well that they were likely going to be punting the last 4-5 years. they've also had a lot of bad luck - Trout's hurt, Rendon's hurt, they just cannot seem to develop a decent pitcher who doesn't overdose on fentanyl. its a shitty situation and I agree its bad for the game.

frogbs, Thursday, 19 August 2021 17:58 (two years ago) link

they give big free agent contracts to older and/or injury prone players and rarely have homegrown talent, it's a really bad mix that comes from the top down. josh hamilton contract was a disaster, rendon contract isn't looking much better. they haven't had a good pitcher since like jered weaver. it's just a poorly run franchise.

they actually have some younger talent now... jo adell has looked good recently, brandon marsh is a top 50 prospect tho he flopped after being called up. reid detmers is finally a pitching prospect they have. if they had a healthy trout, rendon, ohtani, plus a good season from adell, and made some additions, found some pitchers.... it's still so many ifs. and trout is at the point now where he's prob more of a 130-140 game player -- at best -- than a 160 or 180 game player. the fact that they're 5.5 games worse than the mariners this year is insane.

J0rdan S., Thursday, 19 August 2021 18:36 (two years ago) link

it’s a team sport

Tracer Hand, Thursday, 19 August 2021 19:25 (two years ago) link

i wonder if any other team's management would have done anything differently about the "pujols problem", especially the 2017-now version of the problem. i guess it's easier said than done to bench him, because he truly always believes he's about to turn the corner and is vocal about it. i guess they just couldn't face the spectacle of releasing him years early and eating the cost?

professional anti- (Karl Malone), Thursday, 19 August 2021 19:36 (two years ago) link

i mean, i think the marlins would have done something drastic for some reason. and the padres. although they haven't exactly done anything about their "eric hosmer problem"

professional anti- (Karl Malone), Thursday, 19 August 2021 19:37 (two years ago) link

how many other teams would have even signed a stupid contract like that? I mean I guess I'll cut them some slack because 2009-2012 was like the prime era for teams giving fat contracts to fat players, despite the fact that IT HAS LITERALLY NEVER WORKED OUT A SINGLE TIME. to his credit Pujols has not been downright awful since that 2017 season but I still can't believe they didn't find some way to engineer a trade to some bad team that needs to get fans in the door. even if they had to eat like $80 mil

frogbs, Thursday, 19 August 2021 20:05 (two years ago) link

i think anyone w/ an understanding of how megastar celebrities are typically treated by people around them would not find it surprising that people at CAA were apparently unwilling to imply to ohtani that his best friend wasn't trustworthy. i'm not excusing CAA nobody needs to do that for a sports agency but what i am saying is that it's very standard for people who surround a money generator on the order of ohtani's magnitude to take the approach of doing whatever possible to not upset the apple cart. it's why the kinda people who can actually say uncomfortable or true things to super duper famous people are incredibly valuable, most people are far more interested in protecting their relationship w/ the person

― slob wizard (J0rdan S.), Thursday, April 11, 2024 1:10 PM bookmarkflaglink

You literally don’t have to imply he’s trustworthy. Can’t be that difficult to ask “what’s going on with this account, just need to check for something”.

― Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Thursday, April 11, 2024 1:16 PM bookmarkflaglink

Like Jordan said, why would you want to though, if you're a sport agent. Granted I've only read the summary here but the role of a sports agent is to generate revenue and negotiate deals and take your commission. That is a separate role from personal manager or business manager. Successful clients often have all three, and people who are successful in these roles generally stay in their lanes. It might make good business sense to advise your client generally to engage a business manager so things like this don't happen, or remind them not to jeopardize the income stream by violating any of the morality clauses in their deals. But generally it's not in the remit of a sports agent to remind them of sketchy-seeming people in their entourage.

Victim A’s translator and de facto manager.

This seems like the problem right here. Personal manager and business managers are not licensed or regulated the way agents are. It's nutty to have that kind of money coming in and not have an actual personal manager or business manager, if that's what this is suggesting.

felicity, Friday, 12 April 2024 07:00 (six days ago) link

It's kind of funny that the criminal complaint alleges that Ippei "was, until recently, employed as Victim A’s translator and de facto manager" because it sort of becomes an admission by the government in this case that Ippei was both "employed" as a manager was "de facto" a manager - which would imply a certain amount of authority and certainly right to be compensated. If Ippei was holding himself out as a manager or even reasonably subjectively believed himself to be so, it would also explain why a bookie would extend that kind of credit to Ippei. Because a customary management fee could be 10-20% of everything Ohtani was making.

So Ippei's criminal defense lawyer should be all over that, and also be pushing the employment angle.

felicity, Friday, 12 April 2024 07:25 (six days ago) link

I would like to confirm, shohei ohtani is still very good at baseball

H.P, Saturday, 13 April 2024 02:27 (five days ago) link

Out here making Betts, Freeman and Smith look like bums (no pun intended)

H.P, Saturday, 13 April 2024 02:28 (five days ago) link

Good piece by Lindsay Adler in the WSJ that confirms what a lot of you upthread were saying re CAA handling of Ohtani:

Ohtani, in his effort to focus exclusively on his on-field performance, chose to be left in the dark. What lurked in the shadows cost him at least $16 million.

In the criminal complaint against Mizuhara, prosecutors allege that Balelo (described in the complaint as “Agent 1”) asked Mizuhara about the bank account from which he was allegedly siphoning off their client’s money, and was told that Ohtani wanted it to remain “private.”

According to prosecutors, at least two financial professionals asked Balelo about accessing the account that Mizuhara was controlling. A financial adviser and accountant each told investigators that Balelo told them that Ohtani wanted to keep the account “private,” based on the information from Mizuhara. Another accountant told investigators that Mizuhara showed up alone to a meeting that they believed Ohtani was scheduled to attend. There, the accountant claims Mizuhara dismissed concerns about potential tax implications for Ohtani and that the player wanted it “kept private from everyone.”

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Saturday, 13 April 2024 19:09 (five days ago) link

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/04/13/business/shohei-ohtani-interpreter-details.html

In the clubhouse after the Los Angeles Dodgers won their season opener in Seoul last month, Shohei Ohtani’s longtime interpreter, Ippei Mizuhara, made a stunning admission to the team: He was a gambling addict, and Ohtani had paid his debts to a bookmaker.

Ohtani, who is not fluent in English, listened but failed to fully grasp what Mizuhara said. He knew enough to grow suspicious, however, and he wanted answers.

A couple of hours later, around midnight, Ohtani finally had the chance to pull Mizuhara into a conference room in the basement of the Fairmont Ambassador Hotel in Seoul.

With just the two of them there, Mizuhara leveled with his boss: He had accrued enormous debts to the bookmaker and had been stealing the baseball star’s money to pay them off.

In coming clean, though, Mizuhara made one last effort to protect himself from the law, according to two people familiar with the conversation, who asked for anonymity to discuss a private matter. He asked his patron to go along with the story that he had just told Ohtani’s teammates, his advisers and a reporter for ESPN who had made inquires about $4.5 million in wire transfers from Ohtani’s account to an illegal bookmaker in California.

Ohtani refused and called his agent, Nez Balelo, into the conference room. Balelo then had several other people dial in as they managed the crisis: a lawyer in Los Angeles; Matthew Hiltzik, a crisis communications executive in New York; and a new interpreter whom Ohtani’s inner circle could trust. Mizuhara’s wife also joined the meeting.

Shortly after, Ohtani’s advisers issued a statement to reporters, alleging that Ohtani was the victim of a multimillion-dollar theft. Soon headlines connecting Ohtani to illegal gambling spread around the world.

It was a story that would set off a dizzying three weeks, moving from South Korea to Los Angeles, from ballparks to hotels to airports, to meetings with lawyers and federal agents. At times, it seemed that baseball’s biggest star was in danger of being tainted by a gambling scandal, echoing painful episodes from the sport’s past. It culminated on Thursday when prosecutors charged Mizuhara with bank fraud and released a criminal complaint alleging a lavish embezzlement in which he stole $16 million from Ohtani, who they firmly stated was the victim in the case.

The formal charge and complaint were announced a day after The New York Times reported that Mizuhara and his lawyer, Michael Freedman, a former prosecutor who specializes in white-collar criminal defense, were negotiating a plea deal. On Friday, Mizuhara surrendered to law enforcement in Los Angeles and made an initial court appearance, wearing street clothes and shackles. He did not enter a plea, and was released on a $25,000 bond. The conditions of his release require him to submit to drug testing and seek treatment for a gambling addiction.

Freedman issued a statement on Friday saying Mizuhara “is continuing to cooperate with the legal process and is hopeful that he can reach an agreement with the government to resolve this case as quickly as possible so that he can take responsibility.” He added that Mizuhara apologized to Ohtani and the Dodgers and was “eager to seek treatment for his gambling.”

The trip to Seoul seemed like a triumphant moment for Major League Baseball. Ohtani’s emergence as a transcendent star in the United States, one whose on-field exploits evoked comparisons to Babe Ruth, had given the league fresh cultural relevance around the world. And now Ohtani and his new team, which signed him to a 10-year, $700 million contract in December, were in Asia to open a new season with two games against the San Diego Padres. Excitement could not have been higher.

But once the Mizuhara news broke, Major League Baseball realized it had a problem on its hands. It announced that it was investigating the matter. And the Los Angeles field offices of the Internal Revenue Service’s criminal division and the Department of Homeland Security uncharacteristically went public with news that they, too, had opened an inquiry. The saga of Pete Rose, the major leagues’ career hits leader, who was barred from baseball in the 1980s for betting on the sport, was on everyone’s mind.

In about 9,700 pages of his text exchanges with Ohtani, investigators found no mentions of sports betting.Credit...Lee Jin-Man/Associated Press
After the meeting at the hotel, the Dodgers promptly fired Mizuhara. He was soon on a plane back to Los Angeles, where homeland security agents met him at the airport. He refused to submit to an interview, but he gave the agents access to a gold mine of information that would prove crucial to their investigation: He signed a form giving his consent to search his cellphone.

Ohtani also flew back to Los Angeles under a cloud. When he arrived, he gave investigators access to his electronic devices, too.

Working with a Japanese linguist, investigators pored over about 9,700 pages of text messages between the two men and found no mentions of sports betting or any of the bookmakers Mizuhara had been dealing with.

Over two days this month, Ohtani met with investigators in Los Angeles — on one of the days he hit his first home run as a Dodger, hours after an interview with the agents — and described his relationship with Mizuhara, whom he first met in 2013 while playing professional baseball in Japan.

The Los Angeles Angels hired Mizuhara as Ohtani’s translator when Ohtani joined the team in 2018. But Ohtani also separately employed him as a “de facto manager and assistant,” according to the complaint. Mizuhara drove his boss to and from the ballpark and managed certain “business and personal matters” outside baseball.

In 2018, both men visited a bank in Arizona, where the Angels held spring training, and opened an account into which Ohtani’s paychecks could be deposited. For the next three years, Ohtani never once logged into the account online, according to prosecutors, and the money piled up.

Ohtani has many other accounts, of course — he earns more money from endorsements and business deals than he does from his lucrative baseball salary. But it was this account, solely for Ohtani’s baseball earnings, that Mizuhara would scheme to take control of and then, as he fell deeper into a gambling addiction, pilfer for years, according to prosecutors.

Mizuhara changed the settings of the account so alerts and confirmations of transactions would go to him, not Ohtani. Drawing on phone recordings obtained from the bank, prosecutors said Mizuhara had also impersonated Ohtani to gain the bank’s approval for certain large transactions. And whenever one of Ohtani’s other advisers — his agent, tax preparer, bookkeeper or financial adviser, all of whom were interviewed for the federal investigation — inquired about the account, Mizuhara told them that Ohtani preferred the account to remain private.

Between November 2021 and January this year, Mizuhara stole $16 million from the account to feed his “voracious appetite for illegal sports betting,” according to E. Martin Estrada, the U.S. attorney in Los Angeles.

Ohtani has been called many things over the past few years. The modern-day Ruth. A baseball monk. Japan’s most famous citizen. In the criminal complaint that the authorities released on Thursday he was identified simply as “Victim A.”

The complaint revealed text messages between Mizuhara and the bookmaker, who is also the subject of a federal investigation, as Mizuhara racked up losses and was repeatedly given increases to his credit limit — “bumps,” in the parlance of gamblers.

A text from Mizuhara in 2022 reads: “I’m terrible at this sport betting thing huh? Lol … Any chance u can bump me again?? As you know, you don’t have to worry about me not paying.”

While there is no evidence that Ohtani knew about the betting, the bookmaker knew of Mizuhara’s connection to Ohtani. Last November, the bookie was having trouble reaching Mizuhara and threatened to expose him to Ohtani, saying he knew where to find the baseball star.

In a text included in the complaint, the bookmaker wrote: “Hey Ippei, it’s 2 o’clock on Friday. I don’t know why you’re not returning my calls. I’m here in Newport Beach and I see [Victim A] walking his dog. I’m just gonna go up and talk to him and ask how I can get in touch with you since you’re not responding? Please call me back immediately.”

As Mizuhara fell deeper into debt, prosecutors say, he used $325,000 of Ohtani’s money at the beginning of this year to buy baseball cards online and had them shipped to the Dodgers clubhouse under a pseudonym. Agents found the cards — of Juan Soto, Yogi Berra and Ohtani, among others — in several briefcases when they searched Mizuhara’s car. Prosecutors said they believed he had planned to resell them.

This being a baseball story, the criminal complaint was stuffed with numbers:

19,000 bets.

$142,256,769.74 total winning bets.

$182,935,206.58 total losing bets.

Crucially, for Ohtani and for Major League Baseball, prosecutors said none of Mizuhara’s bets had been on baseball.

When news of the story broke in South Korea, Major League Baseball was alarmed by the shifting narratives, two people familiar with the matter said, and worried that Ohtani could somehow be entangled in a gambling scandal that had the potential to tarnish the entire sport.

Those worries dissipated a week later when Ohtani offered a detailed account to reporters at Dodger Stadium, saying Mizuhara stole from him and pledging to cooperate with any investigations. Baseball officials were doubtful, the people said, that Ohtani would make up such a story knowing that both the federal authorities and the league would investigate it. When the authorities charged Mizuhara and detailed the allegations against him, any remaining suspicions were cleared.

As for the Dodgers, they are leading their division early in a season that many fans will declare a failure if it does not end with a championship. Ohtani’s bat is heating up. Inside the clubhouse, players say Ohtani, without Mizuhara as a buffer, has made more of an effort to get to know his teammates.

“You know, the last couple of days, I think Shohei has been even more engaging with his teammates,” Dave Roberts, the Dodgers’ manager, told reporters after Ohtani addressed the matter for the news media in Los Angeles two weeks ago. “And I think there’s only upside with that.”

, Sunday, 14 April 2024 13:49 (four days ago) link

9700 pages of text messages between ohtani and mizuhara. i can't think of anybody i have 9700 pages of text messages with. maybe ilx if each of my posts was one page. even the ones that just say "lol".

, Sunday, 14 April 2024 13:50 (four days ago) link

Lonely guys just texting baout things

(•̪●) (carne asada), Sunday, 14 April 2024 13:58 (four days ago) link

Imagine being fortunate enough to be raised in a bilingual/bicultural household while also possessing a passing interest in baseball and armed with those 2 traits you sneakily get access to $183M (of which you lose $43M of but that's another story). That is some real "When you were partying, I studied the blade" shit.

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Sunday, 14 April 2024 14:16 (four days ago) link

Also this bookmaker is a real piece of work, his confidence thinking he's gonna get this $43M back before and then after he got taken down by the feds, just... lol. #IppeiMastermind

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Sunday, 14 April 2024 14:59 (four days ago) link

9700 pages of text messages between ohtani and mizuhara. i can't think of anybody i have 9700 pages of text messages with. maybe ilx if each of my posts was one page. even the ones that just say "lol".

― 龜, Sunday, April 14, 2024 6:50 AM (one hour ago)

also to consider, japanese (esp texts) is far more dense than english (~20% less input for equivalent meaning/conveyance)... probably 12k pages in english (relatively)?

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Sunday, 14 April 2024 15:08 (four days ago) link

What bothers me about this:

1. it seems that if Bowyer was an illegal bookie in California, none of the agreements to place bets would be enforceable contracts. Any such contracts would be void as illegal and Ippei shouldn't have been liable to pay his "losses." Of course we'll never know if Ippei could have cashed out his "winnings" because of the house edge. Which makes it essentially a scam due to Ippei's apparent ignorance of the law.

2. I haven't seen any mention of the terms of Ohtani's employment or manager agreement with Ippei. Customary personal or business managers work on percentage. 10 to 20%. So you see losing $16m at this level is a lot less than 10% of a contract worth $700m. Manager is a different role than financial advisor who makes maybe .5 to 1% of the investment portfolio. Ok so maybe Ippei's compensation wasn't $70m. Then what was it?

3. California law heavily favors employees versus employers on almost every dispute. So while it seems Ippei's real mistake was lying to banks about being not who he said he was, it bothers me that someone so integral to the success of a mega high net worth talent is in a position where he needs this kind of money or is developing this kind of addiction. It's a shame when someone who is part of a talent coming up gets used and discarded. It's hard for me at this time to see this as a character flaw of Ippei for just the amounts of money involved because of what the amounts for a manager customarily are. The standard for when a person is considered an employee is when the employer "permits or suffers" a person to perform services of value. Placing a value on those services could be subject to dispute. If only Ippei had never lied to the banks and to Ohtani this could have been avoided.

4. On the other hand I can see a cynical motivation from other agents and commission takers for letting this happen to Ippei. One less intermediary and mouth to feed. So the weird thing is how CAA and Ippei first tried to handle this themselves with press releases. What a mess.

So in conclusion I don't like to demonize Ippei without finding out what the deal actually was. I mean lying over the mails and wires is bad, I get it, all the pieces matter. I just feel like the shackles etc. are kind of unnecessary. He got involved with professional sharks, legal and illegal and was just chum in the water due to lack of knowledge. The illegal bookie in California seems like the real villian here but make no mistake this would happen to benefit CAA and MLB to scapegoat Ippei as well.

#freeippei #freeshermanmccoy

felicity, Monday, 15 April 2024 01:44 (three days ago) link

What

Tldr: you shouldn't lie to banks or your employer or have an illegal gambling addiction

But also

Rich people shouldn't be stupidly cheap when paying people who work for them. Many rich people problems can be avoided by paying people what their work is worth. Not saying that's what happened here, just that I haven't seen that's not what happened.

The end.

felicity, Monday, 15 April 2024 02:05 (three days ago) link

Not saying that's what happened here, just that I haven't seen that's not what happened.

That....seeeems like license to believe anything, any old thing. Why speculate?

Ippei's on a bummer now (WmC), Monday, 15 April 2024 02:10 (three days ago) link

I think because of what I know about employment law and entertainment law, and I keep seeing these takes that want to paint Ippei as the total villain. I think people don't understand the work it takes behind the scenes to make overnight success happen over a period of years.

Baseball players are entertainers in the end. I personally prefer to see a happy story of everyone succeeding as a team. I think social media simplifies things to a point where people are wrongly overconfident about making snap judgments and ruining people's reputations and I had a lot more questions here about what really happened then some of the takes I've seen online.

felicity, Monday, 15 April 2024 02:17 (three days ago) link

And it's not license to believe in "anything." I wrote an extremely long detailed post laying out the particular pieces that were missing. If you want to take my tldr out of context that could seem like anything, but then why post at all if any piece could be taken out of context at any time.

felicity, Monday, 15 April 2024 02:19 (three days ago) link

I made a tasteless Parasite joke upthread but after reading f.'s posts I can see how it may indeed apply here...

...also "arbitration" ;-)

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Monday, 15 April 2024 03:11 (three days ago) link

Exactly! Tbh I hadn't thought of the employment law angle until you mentioned Ippei's salary and "arbitration" a few weeks back. It has been bothering me ever since.

Parasite is a good reference. And the culture of keeping up and desperation portrayed in Squid Game. There's something so unnecessary here, like this whole Caught Stealing situation should never have happened.

felicity, Monday, 15 April 2024 03:54 (three days ago) link

f., I would like to declare that I/we are extremely fortunate to have someone of your background, experience and wisdom posting on this silly board.

I may have missed the opportunity to tell you but I always appreciate you!

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Monday, 15 April 2024 04:00 (three days ago) link

You're too kind but it's appreciated nonetheless.

May all your tacos come in 10s :)

felicity, Monday, 15 April 2024 04:06 (three days ago) link

ah... such simpler times...

!!!!! Just realized I met Shohei's translator a long time ago when he was a fresh faced Red Sox employee... let me go dig up a picture lol.

― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Friday, December 8, 2023 3:44 PM (four months ago)

You met Ippei? Wow!

― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Friday, December 8, 2023 3:47 PM (four months ago)

I can't find it (my flickr account is now paywalled?). I sat next to him and Hideki Okajima at a sushi bar in SF when the Red Sox were in town to face the A's.

― citation needed (Steve Shasta), Friday, December 8, 2023 3:55 PM (four months ago)

We've since learned that Ippei was only Okajima's translator for his short (and unfruitful) Spring Training stint with the Yankees which means the interpreter I met when Okajima was with the Red Sox was Ryo Shinkawa...

At any rate, here is a picture of Okajima's signature on MY translator lol, my trusty Sharp PW-SH4 which was a constant companion in my oversees biz journeys when an interpreter was unavailable.

https://i.imgur.com/jPik9IE.png

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 21:35 (two days ago) link

You met Ippei? Wow!

― mojo dojo casas house (gyac), Friday, December 8, 2023 3:47 PM (four months ago)

lmaooooo

Roman Anthony gets on his horse (gyac), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 21:38 (two days ago) link

We are all Ippei

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 21:43 (two days ago) link

Wrong Ippei address.

btw I don't think flickr is paywalled. But I seem to remember they did do something funky a while back that required going in and adjusting settings if you want any of your photos to be public.

felicity, Tuesday, 16 April 2024 21:49 (two days ago) link

Yeah, I couldn't find that pic when I first searched flickr but I was able to find it when I searched by year and location: 2008 @ Sakana Sushi

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 21:59 (two days ago) link

I saw Okajima pitch (LOOGy) the following year @ Fenway...

YOUR baseball photos thread

citation needed (Steve Shasta), Tuesday, 16 April 2024 22:10 (two days ago) link


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