love* in the time of plague (and by love* i mean brexit* and other dreary matters of uk politics)

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Obviously if he did it then it's still terrible & disgusting

Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 2 August 2020 22:52 (three years ago) link

The company I work for decided to get rid of half of the employees last week (despite saying they see a return to normality in Q1 2021)

Now they're putting back their decision another week while they decide what to do. Their original statement doesn't make sense to me. If they think normality is returning in 6 months, dismantling a successful team (that you can furlough for 3 of those 6 months) seems counter-productive

They either think normality isn't returning for much longer than 6 months, or they're getting cold feet and want to be ready to scale up when recovery happens. Or more likely they're split between the two camps and can't decide what to do

cherry blossom, Monday, 3 August 2020 06:11 (three years ago) link

Twitter seems to think it knows who the MP is, and if it's true, well, let's say you couldn't wish for anyone more suitable to suffer public disgrace.

― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, August 3, 2020 12:51 AM (nine hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

Can someone explain why this is kept under covers? UK tabloids otherwise don't exactly hold back shaming someone w/ full name and photo. Is it one of the perks of being a PM? Why is there no outrage about this?

Scampidocio (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 3 August 2020 08:36 (three years ago) link

I think they can't be named till they've been charged.

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Monday, 3 August 2020 08:41 (three years ago) link

Hmm, ok.

Scampidocio (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 3 August 2020 08:45 (three years ago) link

Regular people can, just not MPs aiui.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Monday, 3 August 2020 08:48 (three years ago) link

Twitter has a very good idea of who it is, n’est ce pas?

santa clause four (suzy), Monday, 3 August 2020 09:16 (three years ago) link

that's the most plausible one i think

À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 August 2020 09:17 (three years ago) link

so much stupid tho on Twitter i'll believe nothing until there's confirmation

À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 August 2020 09:20 (three years ago) link

quelle domage!

Neil S, Monday, 3 August 2020 09:31 (three years ago) link

At least Twitter has taken his name out of the "Trending With" bit now, after about 18 hours.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Monday, 3 August 2020 09:47 (three years ago) link

It was "trending with 'Penfold'" last night.

Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 3 August 2020 09:51 (three years ago) link

cripes

À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 August 2020 09:52 (three years ago) link

OK so it is him then.

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Monday, 3 August 2020 10:00 (three years ago) link

Unnamed tory MP still hasn't had their whip suspended. Also not seen anything from zero tolerance Starmer over one of his MPs making an antisemitic comment.

calzino, Monday, 3 August 2020 10:07 (three years ago) link

Until now purely on the basis of his name, I thought Barry Sheerman was Jewish?

santa clause four (suzy), Monday, 3 August 2020 10:13 (three years ago) link

NEW REPORT: Academic freedom in the UK

Protecting viewpoint diversity

By @RemiAdekoya1, @epkaufm and Tom Simpson

Foreword by @RuthSmeeth https://t.co/500ddnsdW9

— Policy Exchange (@Policy_Exchange) August 3, 2020

As @jim_dickinson and others have pointed out, the new @Policy_Exchange report features some truly incredible quotes from anonymous academics. pic.twitter.com/nirGjRvuT5

— Steven Jones (@StevenJones_MCR) August 3, 2020

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Monday, 3 August 2020 10:14 (three years ago) link

worst Pistols cover ever

À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 August 2020 10:15 (three years ago) link

Sheer waste is neither Jewish nor has he read the bible, as claimed in his transparently phoney defence.

calzino, Monday, 3 August 2020 10:18 (three years ago) link

Both Weetman and Sheerman revealed themselves as the worst biblical scholars ever this weekend

calzino, Monday, 3 August 2020 10:22 (three years ago) link

pic.twitter.com/MQsfyyMdpk

— The Trashies (@TheTrashiesUK) August 2, 2020

calzino, Monday, 3 August 2020 10:25 (three years ago) link

if only he hadn't re-read the entire bible during lockdown

Neil S, Monday, 3 August 2020 10:27 (three years ago) link

so much stupid tho on Twitter

NV OTM.

Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Monday, 3 August 2020 10:29 (three years ago) link

Can someone explain why this is kept under covers? UK tabloids otherwise don't exactly hold back shaming someone w/ full name and photo. Is it one of the perks of being a PM? Why is there no outrage about this?

The best reason I've heard is that because the allegations involve his own ministerial personal assistant you can't name/sack the MP without effectively naming the assistant and infringing her right to privacy.

Not saying that was actually the govt's first priority, though. Wouldn't seem out of character for something more unpleasant to have been the main motivation.

also, ffs at mysterious culture-war-stoking think tanks

L. Prague de Scamp (a passing spacecadet), Monday, 3 August 2020 10:32 (three years ago) link

APS, that makes sense I suppose, esp if this is because of the victim's privacy. Though I doubt that's why he can't be named though.

The tiptoeing around the obvious just struck me as odd; though it's probably UK libel law making everyone so docile. Making tweets like "hey what is 54 year old Tory and ex-minister Mark Francois who deleted his twitter account up to today #justwondering" seem naughty.

Scampidocio (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 3 August 2020 10:39 (three years ago) link

allegedly the victim is very upset that the MP has not had the whip suspended.

calzino, Monday, 3 August 2020 10:42 (three years ago) link

It's absolutely about libel law – and the police haven't named him yet which would give papers more cover. Failing that an MP naming him under parliamentary privilege would do it.

stet, Monday, 3 August 2020 10:45 (three years ago) link

Having the whip suspended is something that gets reported so same principle as not naming, I guess.

let them microwave their rice (gyac), Monday, 3 August 2020 10:46 (three years ago) link

Haven't looked up the deets but did the Cliff Richard case give publishers pause?

À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 August 2020 10:46 (three years ago) link

It's not libelous to say someone has been arrested if they have. It's libelous to say that they have been arrested if they haven't.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Monday, 3 August 2020 10:48 (three years ago) link

It's much more of a grey area if someone is under investigation but hasn't been arrested - as per Cliff.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Monday, 3 August 2020 10:50 (three years ago) link

that's why

Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 3 August 2020 11:04 (three years ago) link

That was my first thought as well but i don't think it's correct, tbh.

Grayling's law, aiui, removes the obligation for arrested MPs to be named in the House, it doesn't create a right to anonymity.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Monday, 3 August 2020 11:08 (three years ago) link

after sally bercow, everyone is wisely playing it safe, for now

Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 3 August 2020 11:10 (three years ago) link

What did she do?

the pinefox, Monday, 3 August 2020 11:25 (three years ago) link

Pride of our alley iirc

À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 August 2020 11:29 (three years ago) link

McAlpine hadn’t been arrested iirc.

I suspect the distinction in the current case is that it’s not, legally, a problem to say someone has been arrested and also fine to detail allegations against an unnamed person but a risk to do both. I’d guess that they know he’d be named anyway so prioritised getting the details in.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Monday, 3 August 2020 11:39 (three years ago) link

It's not libel to say someone has been arrested, no — but the Met themselves haven't confirmed they've arrested him. They're sticking with "a man in his 50s". So to name him you'd need to say "we understand X has been arrested" which is the additional (at this point not massive tbf) risk on top of the other two.

stet, Monday, 3 August 2020 12:09 (three years ago) link

+UPDATE+

Conservative Party chief whip & Jacob Rees Mogg hid details of Tory MP rape allegation for over a month before police became involved.

— Nick🇬🇧🇪🇺 (@nicktolhurst) August 2, 2020

stet, Monday, 3 August 2020 14:23 (three years ago) link

I'd written that off as fake news earlier today - the article that was being widely shared on Twitter was from something called Dorset Eye, which appears to be something of a conspiracy farm. Also it was quoting Sky News but there nothing I could see on the Sky News site itself. Maybe I was wrong?

Matt DC, Monday, 3 August 2020 14:31 (three years ago) link

From the BBC:

It is understood that Mr Spencer spoke with the complainant in April, but he insists that she did not make any allegation of serious sexual assault.

A spokesman for the chief whip said that he took all accusations of harassment and abuse extremely seriously and had strongly encouraged anybody who has approached him to contact the appropriate authorities.

According to sources, Mr Spencer had not known the "magnitude" of the allegations.

But a report in the Daily Telegraph suggested the woman became frustrated after they spoke that nothing was done.

It is also understood the Leader of the House of Commons, Jacob Rees-Mogg, was told by an MP in recent weeks about the claims - with sources saying he had said the woman should contact the police.

Matt DC, Monday, 3 August 2020 14:35 (three years ago) link

Weird how the ever-present Angela Rayner was elected deputy leader and then just wandered off into the woods, never to be seen again

— keewa (@keewa) August 3, 2020



This is true. She might not have liked her former "IRA twat" boss but she was much much higher profile under him and the comment that if JP had lowered her ambition for deputy she'd have won it rings true. And Starmer obviously prefers the terminally right wing dregs of the party.

calzino, Monday, 3 August 2020 14:48 (three years ago) link

In other dubiously-sourced twitter embeds:

Opinium - Westminster VI
CON: 41% (-4)
LAB: 38% (+6)
LDEM: 6% (-6)
SNP: 6% (+2)
GRN: 4% (+1)
PC: 1% (-)

Flavible Projection
CON: 299 (-66)
LAB: 264 (+61)
SNP: 58 (+10)
LDEM: 6 (-5)
PC: 4 (-)
GRN: 1 (-)

*Changes with GE
31 Jul 2020https://t.co/MocPWMJVf3

— Flavible Politics (@flaviblePolitic) August 3, 2020



(Flavible is basically one guy)

stet, Monday, 3 August 2020 16:17 (three years ago) link

newsflash: Starmer still isn't 20 points ahead and considering the state of this shambolic govt...

calzino, Monday, 3 August 2020 16:24 (three years ago) link

“Do you mean women?”, and when Rosie Duffield, MP for Canterbury, liked Morgan’s tweet, she was accused of being a transphobe. Duffield then tweeted: “I’m a ‘transphobe’ for knowing that only women have a cervix...?!” Progressives who presumably want to win back those “red wall” seats called for her sacking.

lovely stuff

||||||||, Monday, 3 August 2020 16:28 (three years ago) link

If I understand correctly: crazy how those poll figures above still produce a map overwhelmingly blue.

the pinefox, Monday, 3 August 2020 17:20 (three years ago) link

It's a truth universally acknowledged that first past the post is no way to create a democracy that represents even the chunk of the electorate that votes

À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 August 2020 17:31 (three years ago) link


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