Apparently easy to work out and it's some nonentity.
― Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Sunday, 2 August 2020 13:47 (three years ago) link
From now on when a public figure on multiple rape charges is afforded anonymity then Cliff Richard will be trending
― calzino, Sunday, 2 August 2020 13:56 (three years ago) link
Twitter seems to think it knows who the MP is, and if it's true, well, let's say you couldn't wish for anyone more suitable to suffer public disgrace.
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 2 August 2020 22:51 (three years ago) link
Obviously if he did it then it's still terrible & disgusting
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 2 August 2020 22:52 (three years ago) link
https://worldofcrapblog.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/123025_mfi_store_300_elvis.jpg?w=474&h=283
MFI
― calzino, Sunday, 2 August 2020 23:43 (three years ago) link
The company I work for decided to get rid of half of the employees last week (despite saying they see a return to normality in Q1 2021)
Now they're putting back their decision another week while they decide what to do. Their original statement doesn't make sense to me. If they think normality is returning in 6 months, dismantling a successful team (that you can furlough for 3 of those 6 months) seems counter-productive
They either think normality isn't returning for much longer than 6 months, or they're getting cold feet and want to be ready to scale up when recovery happens. Or more likely they're split between the two camps and can't decide what to do
― cherry blossom, Monday, 3 August 2020 06:11 (three years ago) link
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, August 3, 2020 12:51 AM (nine hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
Can someone explain why this is kept under covers? UK tabloids otherwise don't exactly hold back shaming someone w/ full name and photo. Is it one of the perks of being a PM? Why is there no outrage about this?
― Scampidocio (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 3 August 2020 08:36 (three years ago) link
I think they can't be named till they've been charged.
― Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Monday, 3 August 2020 08:41 (three years ago) link
Hmm, ok.
― Scampidocio (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 3 August 2020 08:45 (three years ago) link
Regular people can, just not MPs aiui.
― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Monday, 3 August 2020 08:48 (three years ago) link
Twitter has a very good idea of who it is, n’est ce pas?
― santa clause four (suzy), Monday, 3 August 2020 09:16 (three years ago) link
that's the most plausible one i think
― À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 August 2020 09:17 (three years ago) link
so much stupid tho on Twitter i'll believe nothing until there's confirmation
― À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 August 2020 09:20 (three years ago) link
quelle domage!
― Neil S, Monday, 3 August 2020 09:31 (three years ago) link
At least Twitter has taken his name out of the "Trending With" bit now, after about 18 hours.
― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Monday, 3 August 2020 09:47 (three years ago) link
It was "trending with 'Penfold'" last night.
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 3 August 2020 09:51 (three years ago) link
cripes
― À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 August 2020 09:52 (three years ago) link
OK so it is him then.
― Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Monday, 3 August 2020 10:00 (three years ago) link
Unnamed tory MP still hasn't had their whip suspended. Also not seen anything from zero tolerance Starmer over one of his MPs making an antisemitic comment.
― calzino, Monday, 3 August 2020 10:07 (three years ago) link
Until now purely on the basis of his name, I thought Barry Sheerman was Jewish?
― santa clause four (suzy), Monday, 3 August 2020 10:13 (three years ago) link
NEW REPORT: Academic freedom in the UKProtecting viewpoint diversityBy @RemiAdekoya1, @epkaufm and Tom Simpson Foreword by @RuthSmeeth https://t.co/500ddnsdW9— Policy Exchange (@Policy_Exchange) August 3, 2020
As @jim_dickinson and others have pointed out, the new @Policy_Exchange report features some truly incredible quotes from anonymous academics. pic.twitter.com/nirGjRvuT5— Steven Jones (@StevenJones_MCR) August 3, 2020
― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Monday, 3 August 2020 10:14 (three years ago) link
worst Pistols cover ever
― À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 August 2020 10:15 (three years ago) link
Sheer waste is neither Jewish nor has he read the bible, as claimed in his transparently phoney defence.
― calzino, Monday, 3 August 2020 10:18 (three years ago) link
Both Weetman and Sheerman revealed themselves as the worst biblical scholars ever this weekend
― calzino, Monday, 3 August 2020 10:22 (three years ago) link
pic.twitter.com/MQsfyyMdpk— The Trashies (@TheTrashiesUK) August 2, 2020
― calzino, Monday, 3 August 2020 10:25 (three years ago) link
if only he hadn't re-read the entire bible during lockdown
― Neil S, Monday, 3 August 2020 10:27 (three years ago) link
so much stupid tho on Twitter
NV OTM.
― Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Monday, 3 August 2020 10:29 (three years ago) link
The best reason I've heard is that because the allegations involve his own ministerial personal assistant you can't name/sack the MP without effectively naming the assistant and infringing her right to privacy.
Not saying that was actually the govt's first priority, though. Wouldn't seem out of character for something more unpleasant to have been the main motivation.
also, ffs at mysterious culture-war-stoking think tanks
― L. Prague de Scamp (a passing spacecadet), Monday, 3 August 2020 10:32 (three years ago) link
APS, that makes sense I suppose, esp if this is because of the victim's privacy. Though I doubt that's why he can't be named though.
The tiptoeing around the obvious just struck me as odd; though it's probably UK libel law making everyone so docile. Making tweets like "hey what is 54 year old Tory and ex-minister Mark Francois who deleted his twitter account up to today #justwondering" seem naughty.
― Scampidocio (Le Bateau Ivre), Monday, 3 August 2020 10:39 (three years ago) link
allegedly the victim is very upset that the MP has not had the whip suspended.
― calzino, Monday, 3 August 2020 10:42 (three years ago) link
It's absolutely about libel law – and the police haven't named him yet which would give papers more cover. Failing that an MP naming him under parliamentary privilege would do it.
― stet, Monday, 3 August 2020 10:45 (three years ago) link
Having the whip suspended is something that gets reported so same principle as not naming, I guess.
― let them microwave their rice (gyac), Monday, 3 August 2020 10:46 (three years ago) link
Haven't looked up the deets but did the Cliff Richard case give publishers pause?
― À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 August 2020 10:46 (three years ago) link
It's not libelous to say someone has been arrested if they have. It's libelous to say that they have been arrested if they haven't.
― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Monday, 3 August 2020 10:48 (three years ago) link
It's much more of a grey area if someone is under investigation but hasn't been arrested - as per Cliff.
― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Monday, 3 August 2020 10:50 (three years ago) link
Is this not why they can't be named?
https://policehour.co.uk/2020/08/in-2016-parliament-decided-to-keep-mps-arrests-secret-from-the-public-thats-why-we-cant-name-the-mp-arrested/
― neith moon (ledge), Monday, 3 August 2020 10:53 (three years ago) link
that's why
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 3 August 2020 11:04 (three years ago) link
That was my first thought as well but i don't think it's correct, tbh.
Grayling's law, aiui, removes the obligation for arrested MPs to be named in the House, it doesn't create a right to anonymity.
― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Monday, 3 August 2020 11:08 (three years ago) link
after sally bercow, everyone is wisely playing it safe, for now
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 3 August 2020 11:10 (three years ago) link
What did she do?
― the pinefox, Monday, 3 August 2020 11:25 (three years ago) link
Pride of our alley iirc
― À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Monday, 3 August 2020 11:29 (three years ago) link
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McAlpine_v_Bercow
― Anti-Cop Ponceortium (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 3 August 2020 11:34 (three years ago) link
McAlpine hadn’t been arrested iirc.
I suspect the distinction in the current case is that it’s not, legally, a problem to say someone has been arrested and also fine to detail allegations against an unnamed person but a risk to do both. I’d guess that they know he’d be named anyway so prioritised getting the details in.
― Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Monday, 3 August 2020 11:39 (three years ago) link
It's not libel to say someone has been arrested, no — but the Met themselves haven't confirmed they've arrested him. They're sticking with "a man in his 50s". So to name him you'd need to say "we understand X has been arrested" which is the additional (at this point not massive tbf) risk on top of the other two.
― stet, Monday, 3 August 2020 12:09 (three years ago) link
+UPDATE+Conservative Party chief whip & Jacob Rees Mogg hid details of Tory MP rape allegation for over a month before police became involved.— Nick🇬🇧🇪🇺 (@nicktolhurst) August 2, 2020
― stet, Monday, 3 August 2020 14:23 (three years ago) link
I'd written that off as fake news earlier today - the article that was being widely shared on Twitter was from something called Dorset Eye, which appears to be something of a conspiracy farm. Also it was quoting Sky News but there nothing I could see on the Sky News site itself. Maybe I was wrong?
― Matt DC, Monday, 3 August 2020 14:31 (three years ago) link
From the BBC:
It is understood that Mr Spencer spoke with the complainant in April, but he insists that she did not make any allegation of serious sexual assault.
A spokesman for the chief whip said that he took all accusations of harassment and abuse extremely seriously and had strongly encouraged anybody who has approached him to contact the appropriate authorities.
According to sources, Mr Spencer had not known the "magnitude" of the allegations.
But a report in the Daily Telegraph suggested the woman became frustrated after they spoke that nothing was done.
It is also understood the Leader of the House of Commons, Jacob Rees-Mogg, was told by an MP in recent weeks about the claims - with sources saying he had said the woman should contact the police.
― Matt DC, Monday, 3 August 2020 14:35 (three years ago) link
Weird how the ever-present Angela Rayner was elected deputy leader and then just wandered off into the woods, never to be seen again— keewa (@keewa) August 3, 2020
― calzino, Monday, 3 August 2020 14:48 (three years ago) link
In other dubiously-sourced twitter embeds:
Opinium - Westminster VICON: 41% (-4)LAB: 38% (+6)LDEM: 6% (-6)SNP: 6% (+2)GRN: 4% (+1)PC: 1% (-)Flavible ProjectionCON: 299 (-66)LAB: 264 (+61)SNP: 58 (+10)LDEM: 6 (-5)PC: 4 (-)GRN: 1 (-)*Changes with GE31 Jul 2020https://t.co/MocPWMJVf3— Flavible Politics (@flaviblePolitic) August 3, 2020
― stet, Monday, 3 August 2020 16:17 (three years ago) link
newsflash: Starmer still isn't 20 points ahead and considering the state of this shambolic govt...
― calzino, Monday, 3 August 2020 16:24 (three years ago) link