should "Lean On Me" replace "The Star-Spangled Banner" as the US national anthem?

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I'll tell ya who else took a turn... if you know what I mean... and I mean on my dong... like as in took a turn going down on that shit... if you catch my drift... *high fives Austin*

the burrito that defined a generation, Saturday, 1 August 2020 05:03 (four months ago) link

the burrito that defined a generation has been banned permanently again.

the burrito that defined a generation, Saturday, 1 August 2020 05:08 (four months ago) link

*high fives Austin*

listen up, you non-social distancing asshole. . .

Totally different head. Totally. (Austin), Saturday, 1 August 2020 05:27 (four months ago) link

A vocal range of an octave plus a fifth is too hard to sing, let’s replace it with a song that has a vocal range of *checks notes* an octave plus a fourth

trapped out the barndo (crüt), Saturday, 1 August 2020 14:19 (four months ago) link

it's been a minute since I listened to TSSB attentively but it's not just the range that makes it hard to sing right? aren't the intervals a pain in the ass?

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Saturday, 1 August 2020 14:25 (four months ago) link

The sentiment that "we all need somebody to lean on" is about the least American sentiment I can imagine. Is the hope that we'd help to shift the culture?

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Saturday, 1 August 2020 15:12 (four months ago) link

that would be one case for it yes

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Saturday, 1 August 2020 15:18 (four months ago) link

right now, "Lien On Me" would be more likely to succeed

XVI Pedicabo eam (Neanderthal), Saturday, 1 August 2020 15:22 (four months ago) link

when you're not solvent
i'll loan you cash
with a good APR

XVI Pedicabo eam (Neanderthal), Saturday, 1 August 2020 15:25 (four months ago) link

Lean On In

rob, Saturday, 1 August 2020 15:32 (four months ago) link

it's been a minute since I listened to TSSB attentively but it's not just the range that makes it hard to sing right? aren't the intervals a pain in the ass?

Not really. The intervals are all either step-wise motion or arpeggios within a major key. There’s nothing harmonically challenging in the context of Western/British music. In fact, “Lean On Me” has a larger leap in it where you have to go up a major 10th to transition from the verse to the chorus than anything in the SSB.

shout-out to his family (DJP), Saturday, 1 August 2020 16:00 (four months ago) link

not to mention there's something to be said for a piece of music you've heard thousands to millions of times in your life making it easier to navigate the melody, regardless of how challenging it is or isn't.

most people bomb the National Anthem not because the song is challenging, it's because they either a) have bad internal pitch and change keys unintentionally throughout the song, b) pick a key too high which will result in a comedy finish, or c) just can't fuckin' sing.

XVI Pedicabo eam (Neanderthal), Saturday, 1 August 2020 16:03 (four months ago) link

thanks for the breakdown I was coasting on iffy recall there xp

the quar on drugs (Simon H.), Saturday, 1 August 2020 16:04 (four months ago) link

course, I'm the type of asshole who will yell "flat!" when a quartet is singing it out of tune before a soccer game

XVI Pedicabo eam (Neanderthal), Saturday, 1 August 2020 16:04 (four months ago) link

I do think the aforementioned descending sixth followed by the raised subdominant in m.3 is more challenging than anything in e.g. "O Canada" or "God Save the Queen".

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Saturday, 1 August 2020 17:48 (four months ago) link

Couldn't you just go up by a major third rather than a 10th from the verse to the chorus of "Lean on Me".

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Saturday, 1 August 2020 17:51 (four months ago) link

?

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Saturday, 1 August 2020 17:51 (four months ago) link

The only reason it has a 'wide range' is because of the registral shift, which can easily be left out without changing anything in the key or harmony. Some notated versions already do this:
https://s3.amazonaws.com/halleonard-pagepreviews/HL_DDS_12696710WwyADl52k.png

I voted keep SSB bc good btw; just don't agree that it would not be harder to sing.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Saturday, 1 August 2020 17:58 (four months ago) link

Yeah there's really no reason to sing the first verse in the same octave as Bill does - indeed, when I play it, I do all the verses the same way. But I am not like a muso dude who knows things

Gin and Juice Newton (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 1 August 2020 18:14 (four months ago) link

song has a much greater impact starting in the lower octave, then jumping, for the first chorus.

XVI Pedicabo eam (Neanderthal), Saturday, 1 August 2020 18:19 (four months ago) link

Surely but it seems like it would be much easier to adapt for amateur group singing.

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Saturday, 1 August 2020 18:32 (four months ago) link

It’s definitely harder to sing just because there is a lot more going on melodically; the question was “aren’t the intervals trickier” and my answer is “not really, there are just more of them”

shout-out to his family (DJP), Saturday, 1 August 2020 19:09 (four months ago) link

Haha OK

Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Saturday, 1 August 2020 19:17 (four months ago) link

itt: several incredibly accomplished, knowledgeable, well-trained, and talented musicians exhibit very little sympathy for non-musicians

pizzagnostic (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 1 August 2020 19:41 (four months ago) link

and then I posted some stuff too don't forget

XVI Pedicabo eam (Neanderthal), Saturday, 1 August 2020 19:57 (four months ago) link

you are a very good singer tho

pizzagnostic (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 1 August 2020 20:00 (four months ago) link

aw thanks. tbh i wasn't knocking what you said re: starting up an octave. it's just not my personal choice if I was singing it, but...you had a good point!

i'm mostly just catty about people who sing the anthems at sporting events but only cos I'm secretly jealous that I haven't been asked to do it yet!

XVI Pedicabo eam (Neanderthal), Saturday, 1 August 2020 20:05 (four months ago) link


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