Is this anti-semitism?

I wonder how much of this is about schools getting worse in general, curriculum that emphasizes learning to do well on tests as opposed to learning that imparts lessons of history rather than facts that are forgotten as soon as the next unit starts, and the general weakening of the educational system.

I’m probably biased by the current era where many states, with direction from the federal government, are basically making homeschooling and private schooling (especially religious private schooling) enticing options through inconsistent and nonexistent funding.

I have no idea what the hell is going on with the 22% of millennials who have never heard of the Holocaust. I tried to find the original survey questions but only found a summarized version of the results that lacked the questions.

Like I said upthread, 12% of Austrians aged 18-34 have never heard of it either. Austrians.

I’m willing, if horrified, to believe that’s true but I still wonder what the heck the methodology of this survey was

It's absolutely likely that kids are getting shitty educations about the holocaust, slavery, genocide of indigenous people, the whole enchilada. The thing I strongly doubt is that kids are getting way too much education about the holocaust, and that that education still manages to be completely unmoored from a historical context or learning about oppression and genocide in general.

in the 00s I was taught barely anything about the holocaust and nothing at all about any other genocide

The 12% was in reference to a 2018 poll, but a study from last year appears to bear out the same disturbing degree of ignorance:

https://www.dw.com/en/austrians-lack-crucial-holocaust-awareness-study-finds/a-48564260

xps

I was taught about the Holocaust throughout my elementary and middle school years, including reading 'Night' in 8th grade. High school got more into slavery and its afterlives, but nothing about Indigenous people. And while I went to public school until 8th grade, the private high school I went to was a Quaker school with a relatively robust social justice quotient in all courses.

And our study of slavery, Reconstruction, and Jim Crow was very much 'that was in the past, also Malcolm X and the Black Panthers were bad and MLK was good.'

Also worth noting that Austria is currently governed by a coalition between the so-called 'centre-right' and a party founded by an ex-SS-Brigadeführer who also happened to be a member of the Nazi Reichstag.

are all of these polls commissioned by the same organization?

First one (2018) was for CNN, second one (2019) for the Conference on Jewish Material Claims Against Germany (Claims Conference).

Polls of adults frequently in the uk have repeatedly shown double-figures not being able to name the current prime minister

Presumably they could name the UK's current president.

I want to clarify that this is me being aghast at these numbers and my skepticism of polls without the original questions and I’m stepping away before I turn into internet detective that accidentally disproves anti-semitism because I sure as hell see enough of it around me that I would not want to give that impression

I assume the questions were fairly straightforward, e.g.

87% of respondents said they had definitely heard or seen the word Holocaust

(Also called 'Holocaust' in German btw.)

Jews should just simpley have walked out

Yup. Every.Word. - having instigated the walk out though as a tiny protest was amazed at how massive it grew. They should have all walked out of Europe on mass 1939. X

— Tracy-Ann Oberman (@TracyAnnO) August 8, 2020

Richard Spencer agrees

Was talking with a friend about vampires. The most sure-fire defenses against vampires are crosses and holy water. As a Jewish kid I thought that was really unfair, since I lacked both, and then "Fright Night" comes along and throws in the notion that you may have a cross but it takes *faith* to work. Factor in decades of blood libel tropes and 'bloodsucker" defamation and ... are vampires an anti-semitic construct?

People don’t take antisemitism seriously because they think of Jews as wealthy, and therefore not vulnerable, which is like saying black people shouldn’t be scared of racists because they’re all so athletic.

Wow Freeman just seems so...not smart.

Freeman is really into anti black racism like all white liberals (and all white transphobes it seems)

xp yes to some extent

ditto a lot of satanic/devil related imagery

Huh. https://eportfolios.macaulay.cuny.edu/monsters/2016/11/08/blood-libel-the-anti-semitic-roots-of-vampirism/

I'm sure Polanski had a Jewish vampire in "The Fearless Vampire Killers" for a reason.

Torchwood’s finest with the ‘on mass’ there. Fucking idiot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7xnIzutKm8

ummmm

Protocols of Learned Elders of Zion: https://t.co/BpI5Tc8oKc

— FBI Records Vault (@FBIRecordsVault) August 19, 2020

The fuck?

they seemed to have given a nice reply to every crank who sent them a letter about the jewish conspiracy and kept the files. very weird thing to tweet out

Uh…

all these cop agencies are riddled with actual nazis, therse things aren’t mistakes

*these things

like how often have gov agencies released documents paraphrasing the 14 words

It's a bot that tweets every new addition to the FBI's FOIA reading room. Topics that have has more than a certain number of requests (I think 3 is what they claim) get added to the reading room.

But...

Whoever added this should have taken into account that this needs context.

— David Bixenspan (@davidbix) August 19, 2020

you think?

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/aug/26/auschwitz-museum-calls-tiktok-holocaust-trend-hurtful-and-offensive

The short clips feature youths recounting how they died in the Holocaust, and sometimes show them sporting fake bruises, a striped inmate outfit or one of the armbands marked with the Star of David Jews were ordered to wear.

Uhhh.

these numb-headed little fuckwits are the future unfortunately, don't want to live long enough to see them running the show.

Almost two-thirds of young American adults do not know that 6 million Jews were killed during the Holocaust, and more than one in 10 believe Jews caused the Holocaust, a new survey has found, revealing shocking levels of ignorance about the greatest crime of the 20th century.

According to the study of millennial and Gen Z adults aged between 18 and 39, almost half (48%) could not name a single concentration camp or ghetto established during the second world war.

Almost a quarter of respondents (23%) said they believed the Holocaust was a myth, or had been exaggerated, or they weren’t sure. One in eight (12%) said they had definitely not heard, or didn’t think they had heard, about the Holocaust.

...Eleven per cent of respondents across the US believed that Jews had caused the Holocaust, with the proportion in New York state at 19%, followed by 16% in Louisiana, Tennessee and Montana, and 15% in Arizona, Connecticut, Georgia, Nevada and New Mexico.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/16/holocaust-us-adults-study?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

What percent could not find the United States on a map? I know the number is not zero.

It seems like you can come up with literally any dumbass bullshit and the number of American poll respondents who agree with it is at least 20%

I have an extremely right-wing Jewish acquaintance who is now sticking up for Gavin McInnes (Proud Boy creator) and talking about how to get the whole picture you have to ask WHY 1930s Germans hated Jews so much, how it's not like we WEREN'T the driving force behind Communist back-stabbing and though it may make us feel ashamed we should be honest about how we bring the world's hatred on ourselves. God damn it's depressing what's happening to people's minds.

Ugh, that's rough.

that's extremely sad

Ugh, that makes me feel queasy.

It just really gets to me. I have spent my whole life thinking of anti-semitism in the US as a spent and inherently marginal force and now I realize that if Trump has an anti-Semite friend and he gets dinged in the news for it, either millions and millions of people are going to say "I guess that anti-semitism stuff is worth a closer look!"

even you were daft/self-hating/downright racist enough to believe in the Judeo-Bolshevik myth, perhaps maybe the disproportionate amount of prominent party Jews that got murdered in the 30's by Stalin would test the theory a bit, maybe?

if they put all volumes of the Victor Klemperer Dairies on the school curriculum this old poison wouldn't get as much traction

well probably a bit fanciful, but maybe an abridged version instead of Anne Frank.

i believe some people really are bad at heart

I think there's nothing new about Jewish apology for antisemitism though -- it happened in 1920s Germany too!

I vaguely remember a news story, maybe last year about a Jewish nurse or hospital worker in NYC who was posting in antisemitic forums and saying all kinds of self-hating stuff about Jews

Jewish kapos were a thing.

I think there's nothing new about Jewish apology for antisemitism though -- it happened in 1920s Germany too!

"don't get worked up it's nothing they didn't have in interwar Germany" is not exactly comforting my dude

If it helps any (it doesn't), I think I saw a debunking of that Guardian article that explained how the actual survey questions were being distorted in the reporting. Can't find it from vague googling at the mo.