Well, I thought it was funny (like a Simpsons gag..."Dad, put the butter knife down...")
― "...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 26 July 2020 18:49 (three years ago) link
well, it wasn't funny when my wife said it to me this week.
― Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 26 July 2020 18:55 (three years ago) link
Reading that interview (and remembering others with him), I get the feeling he had to have been an aspie. The stubbornness, the feel for perfectionism, going from zero to tmi so rapidly in conversation...
― "...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 26 July 2020 18:55 (three years ago) link
Ya think?
― Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 July 2020 18:58 (three years ago) link
going from zero to tmi so rapidly in conversation...
― "...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain)
haha, now are you talking about rhodes or about me? :)
― Kate (rushomancy), Sunday, 26 July 2020 19:08 (three years ago) link
Relatedly, there was this in that interview:Edwin: What other instruments do you play besides guitar, piano, bass and drums?Emitt: Nothing. Is there anything?? For me it’s one-four-five. It’s Pythagorean Theorum. For me it’s mathematics. I love Pythagoras. Everybody else in rock and roll loves Pythagoras, too, even if they don’t know it. I’m just telling you that Pythagoras was a wonderful guy. He lived a long time ago, nobody knows him and nobody cares. He gave us do re mi fa sol la ti do. Without him… somebody else would have had to do it. I love math. I love science. I love that stuff.Edwin: Yeah, math and music are pretty much synonymous.Emitt: It’s Pythagoras. You split the string in half and you get an octave. You split it into thirds and you get a third.
― Naive Teen Idol, Sunday, 26 July 2020 19:13 (three years ago) link
the homophobic shit in those interviews is so heinous, and ER brings it up so abruptly, it's just really difficult to read.
― budo jeru, Sunday, 26 July 2020 19:49 (three years ago) link
That is really unpleasant, and the grandiose I Am A Scientist stuff doesn’t help any.
― Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 July 2020 20:07 (three years ago) link
its always amusing to me when dudes in music learn like one scientific term or basic concept, and then immediately imagine themselves as a timeless polymath renaissance man. "I bring so many disciplines to bear on my music - art, history, science. For example, like Nicola Tesla, I too think outside the box when creating my music."
― turn the jawhatthefuckever on (One Eye Open), Sunday, 26 July 2020 20:19 (three years ago) link
OTM. I started a whole thead about this. Math & Music: The Severed Alliance. Some Recent Academic Approaches (Do Not Read If You Hate Drums) I guess my thinking about it ended up being, "yes, there is some relationship between math and music, but it is vastly overstated by various people for various people and there are very smart people who are on record as saying that this relationship is vastly overstated."
― Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 July 2020 20:23 (three years ago) link
It's like the "I am smart so I can deduce everything from first principles."
― Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 July 2020 20:24 (three years ago) link
I'm axiomatic, like Euclid.
Ilx0r Euclid, Euler to thread!
― Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 July 2020 20:25 (three years ago) link
Not to throw more fuel on the fire, but wondering how long it will take for this kidney stone of information to pass through my system.
― Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Sunday, 26 July 2020 23:05 (three years ago) link
Ilx0r (-Euclid-), Euler to thread!
― Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 July 2020 01:30 (three years ago) link
Real quiet on this thread today
― Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 July 2020 13:41 (three years ago) link
Yeah, a little too quiet
That interview with Scram magazine is pretty horrific. The whole sexual abuse story he tells, the bit about the guy who was abused getting arrested outside the club where they had played as teenagers with a bomb or explosives, wtf? Also, though they've censored the names of the people involved it's fairly easy to find out who they are - and the guy he accuses of the abuse is still alive.
― Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Monday, 27 July 2020 18:28 (three years ago) link
I saw that. He was named after Gary Cooper!
― Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 July 2020 18:29 (three years ago) link
The interview is from 2016, so nothing seems to have happened about these accusations. Not that Emitt Rhodes in 2016 is any kind of reliable witness on anything. judging by that interview.
― Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Monday, 27 July 2020 18:30 (three years ago) link
Sorry, that’s the kind of datum my Aspie mind gravitates to when there is some horrific reality I don’t feel that comfortable discussing.
― Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 July 2020 18:31 (three years ago) link
Sometimes some of those uncensored names show up on the Fan Page, but mostly just echoing Emitt. Can’t seem to find anything about the contents of that book.
― Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 July 2020 18:40 (three years ago) link
Are you sure that interview is from 2016? I don't remember seeing a date, thought it was older. Here's another interview, not sure if it was linked yet, not sure if I need to read another interview with him right now myself: https://thelosangelesbeat.com/2012/04/long-time-no-see-los-angeles-beat-exclusive-interview-with-emitt-rhodes-part-1-of-2/
― Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 July 2020 18:49 (three years ago) link
This popped up recently and there are even some rumors about who it is about:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PiQs3yKfys8
― Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 July 2020 18:53 (three years ago) link
xp i'm actually not sure if emitt is actually in the video i posted.
i started reading a lot about the palace guard, orange-empire records, and the hullabaloo to find out more about the scene that was going on. it's particularly disturbing how much the contemporary promotion hypes the fact that it's a place for the TEENS, where the KIDS can finally come hang out after hours and see their favorite pop groups.
― budo jeru, Monday, 27 July 2020 19:12 (three years ago) link
(xxp) Might not be 2016, thought I saw that somewhere.
― Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Monday, 27 July 2020 19:14 (three years ago) link
Seems like with the political references being made that Scram interview was from the mid-2000s, possibly around the time the Rev-Ola Merry-Go-Round comp came out.
― "...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 27 July 2020 19:23 (three years ago) link
these two quotes appear right next to each other in kate sullivan's 2001 oral history of KROQ:
GARY BOOKASTA (founder, KROQ AM and FM): We wanted to call it "KROK," but it was already taken. It was [DJ] Humble Harve's idea to use the Q. He ended up killing his wife, but Phil Spector and I went to bat for him in court. He only got two years [for manslaughter]. SHADOE STEVENS (DJ, 1973-74, 1976-79): KROQ was the inspiration of Gary Bookasta. Gary was a con man. He had an almost mystical ability to make people believe in him. He pulled together 13 partners, who built this radio station in Burbank. It took off like a rocket.
SHADOE STEVENS (DJ, 1973-74, 1976-79): KROQ was the inspiration of Gary Bookasta. Gary was a con man. He had an almost mystical ability to make people believe in him. He pulled together 13 partners, who built this radio station in Burbank. It took off like a rocket.
― budo jeru, Monday, 27 July 2020 19:26 (three years ago) link
Self-XP I see on the Scram site that the interview was put online in early '16, but issue of the mag it appeared in was published in 2003.
― "...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 27 July 2020 19:31 (three years ago) link
yeah i mean why else would he express the desire to murder saddam hussein
― budo jeru, Monday, 27 July 2020 19:32 (three years ago) link
Yes, so those allegations have been out there for a hell of a long time.
― Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Monday, 27 July 2020 19:40 (three years ago) link
All of this is not seeming to have much effect on my ability to listen to his music this afternoon, somewhat surprisingly or not.
― Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 July 2020 20:51 (three years ago) link
A lot of these things were an open secret – Bob Markley and the West Coast Pop Art Experimental Band, Kim Fowley and the Runaways. I keep hoping Ugly Things will do an exposé on sexual abuse in 60s garage rock circles. It’s def. a part of the history.
This popped up recently and there are even some rumors about who it is about:📹
― Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 27 July 2020 21:25 (three years ago) link
I think every music scene ever has had creepy, manipulative older guys who hang around it - Markley and Fowley are textbook examples.
― Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Monday, 27 July 2020 21:52 (three years ago) link
Where are these? I didn’t see anything in the comments.
― Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 July 2020 22:00 (three years ago) link
Back in the day, Fowley came over to hang out in Glasgow for some reason and had all these indie rock scenesters from the Pastels and Teenage Fanclub running about after him like he was some fucking genius - while he was trying to touch up all their girlfriends. He played some shit gig with Norman Blake on guitar and somebody from the BMX Bandits on bass or whatever and I remember someone saying after it, "Do you want to hang out with Kim?" and I was like, "I'm not going anywhere near that talentless cunt".
― Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Monday, 27 July 2020 22:08 (three years ago) link
Good for you.
_Where are these? I didn’t see anything in the comments._Some family friend on FB Fan Page said it was about a decade older celebrity Emitt was dating that his dad didn’t like. Although a decade older than Emitt at the time is like what, mid-to-late twenties?
― Naive Teen Idol, Monday, 27 July 2020 23:05 (three years ago) link
not only were there aspects of that scene that might have encouraged the presence of predatory behavior, it's precisely that, for fowley, being a sexual deviant / creep who bragged about hanging around high schools trying to pick up underage girls, that was all self-consciously part of his image / "appeal"
cf. the fugs' "dirty old man"
― budo jeru, Monday, 27 July 2020 23:16 (three years ago) link
Oh yes, definitely the 60s was perfect for these sorts of creeps, and eventually you end up with Manson .
― Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Monday, 27 July 2020 23:21 (three years ago) link
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/YCrx84lPEG8/maxresdefault.jpg
― Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 July 2020 23:27 (three years ago) link
cf. Charlie Chaplin and his brother Syd tbh.
― Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 27 July 2020 23:29 (three years ago) link
I read the 2012 LA Beat interview (2 Parts, BTW). It's a bit different than the Scram one, way more deep-dive discussion about musical theory and science. Extra-Value stuff on the background of and what went wrong with the Bangles/Thompson singles, plus complaints about how poorly mastered he felt the Hip-O Select comp was.
― "...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Monday, 27 July 2020 23:38 (three years ago) link
Also something vaguely endearing about Rhodes using these interviews to finesse nice meals and drinks in sit-down restaurants.
― "...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 00:09 (three years ago) link
'Nice' being relative since one of them was at Red Lobster.
― "...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 00:10 (three years ago) link
he does seem to like drinking
― budo jeru, Tuesday, 28 July 2020 00:39 (three years ago) link
Yup. Probably not the best thing for a diabetic.
― Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 00:47 (three years ago) link
I don't usually go for these things, but this just appeared and is kind of sweet:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tnIxYw1HvI
― Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 00:48 (three years ago) link
Moral of the story: guy was in general a much, much better editor of himself when he was composing and recording music then when he was talking trash whilst throwing his blood sugar further out of whack with one too many margaritas.
― Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 03:02 (three years ago) link
It makes total sense that even though he sounds so much like McCartney he is more of a Lennon loyalist. Let me go out on a challops limb and say that “Birthday Lady” is a much better written song than “Birthday.”
― Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 03:15 (three years ago) link
Guy on the fan group has a big box, a big stash of photos Emitt gave him that he is slowly posting one by one. Some pictures of him in the Emerals have gone up recently.
― Time Will Show Leo Weiser (James Redd and the Blecchs), Tuesday, 28 July 2020 14:09 (three years ago) link