Taylor Swift - Folklore

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"Here's the world premiere of the new Taylor Swift single, 'Solstice Blindfold'"

shout-out to his family (DJP), Thursday, 23 July 2020 14:08 (three years ago) link

Leaked first single:

https://youtu.be/AcAl4Fr2qQU

pomenitul, Thursday, 23 July 2020 14:11 (three years ago) link

But I got smarter, built an altar in the nick of time
Honey, I summoned up the dead, I do it all the time
I've got a list of souls and yours is in red, sacrificed
Chop your neck once, then I chop it twice, oh!

Look who you made me kill.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 23 July 2020 14:12 (three years ago) link

now set it to an Antonoff beat.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 23 July 2020 14:19 (three years ago) link

the art made me think of this so hopefully that's her new direction

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 23 July 2020 14:30 (three years ago) link

Goole on Twitter is monitoring this for the "if you sing about forests you are straight up racist" rule, he recorded expressed concern over the song "The Lakes" which could be seen as forest fash adjacent

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 23 July 2020 15:09 (three years ago) link

pity forests and lakes, they didn't ask for this

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 23 July 2020 15:10 (three years ago) link

Anyway this is all reminding me what I think of the National, which is a big blank space upon which I have not projected any thoughts.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 23 July 2020 15:25 (three years ago) link

That’s exactly what they want you to think.

pomenitul, Thursday, 23 July 2020 15:30 (three years ago) link

"I am a big blank space / upon which I have not / projected any thoughts" is one of my favorite National lyrics

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 23 July 2020 15:32 (three years ago) link

I'm glad to know I can score some extra coin this way.

Ned Raggett, Thursday, 23 July 2020 15:40 (three years ago) link

very funny to me this is prob her best album art ever

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 July 2020 16:56 (three years ago) link

anyway i bought a copy

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 23 July 2020 16:57 (three years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDkLfpyqbm0

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 23 July 2020 17:02 (three years ago) link

Wow, this fan-soaking is so Garth-level I'm expecting her to roll out SwifTunes in 2021. https://t.co/34b6x1hlWq

— Keith Harris (@useful_noise) July 23, 2020

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 23 July 2020 19:37 (three years ago) link

fan-soaking

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EVftr8XUEAEIcnT?format=jpg&name=medium

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 23 July 2020 19:41 (three years ago) link

Wow, this fan-soaking is so Garth-level I'm expecting her to roll out SwifTunes in 2021.

What?

peace, man, Thursday, 23 July 2020 19:59 (three years ago) link

welcome back, Aja

shout-out to his family (DJP), Thursday, 23 July 2020 20:19 (three years ago) link

Keith was Ajakitty??

Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 23 July 2020 21:41 (three years ago) link

Taylor was.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, 23 July 2020 22:24 (three years ago) link

that Dessner note makes me even more excited about this, and i was already pretty excited.

alpine static, Friday, 24 July 2020 00:04 (three years ago) link

the 8 different vinyl covers and 8 different CD covers is ridiculous, though. i feel bad for obsessives who feel like they have to buy them all.

i mean they can spend their money however they want, but still

alpine static, Friday, 24 July 2020 00:05 (three years ago) link

now THAT'S how you rig the Billboard 200 chart, LOL (paging Dyl)

Your dream has symbolic content (morrisp), Friday, 24 July 2020 00:09 (three years ago) link

are they shipping immediately? they have to if it's to game the charts with the recent rule changes

ufo, Friday, 24 July 2020 00:10 (three years ago) link

the lps won't be shipping for 16 weeks

cds go out in a month iirc

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 24 July 2020 00:11 (three years ago) link

There were 4 Deluxe Editions of Lover; each one had a different set of er.. diary entries.

piscesx, Friday, 24 July 2020 00:12 (three years ago) link

it's not really like taylor needs to game the charts anyway i guess

ufo, Friday, 24 July 2020 00:15 (three years ago) link

I was in a Target last night, and they still had a ton of Deluxe copies of Lover.

"...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Friday, 24 July 2020 00:23 (three years ago) link

Yeah, I’m just kidding around (this topic was discussed in the rolling pop thread recently)

Your dream has symbolic content (morrisp), Friday, 24 July 2020 00:24 (three years ago) link

That album art is very Midsommar

enochroot, Friday, 24 July 2020 01:04 (three years ago) link

currently imagining the alternate universe where Taylor sticks it to the big streaming services she's tangled with in the past and made the album a Bandcamp exclusive for a week

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 24 July 2020 03:59 (three years ago) link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-a8s8OLBSE

oh my god OH MY GOD

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 24 July 2020 04:05 (three years ago) link

starting this. you can sure hear the Dessnerness of it all right away.

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 24 July 2020 04:08 (three years ago) link

completely fucking blown away by "the 1"

this is it!!!!!!

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 24 July 2020 04:11 (three years ago) link

"cardigan" is an exact Swift/LDR synthesis (the vocal phrasing!) and I like it

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 24 July 2020 04:13 (three years ago) link

my brain went straight to tori

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 24 July 2020 04:14 (three years ago) link

which i guess automatically makes it her best ldr synthesis

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 24 July 2020 04:14 (three years ago) link

when
you
are
young
they
assume
you
know
nothing

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 24 July 2020 04:14 (three years ago) link

Such an amazing song

Tim F, Friday, 24 July 2020 04:29 (three years ago) link

Also lol @ "the wedding was charming if a little gauche"

Tim F, Friday, 24 July 2020 04:30 (three years ago) link

wow the bridge in "exile" is great

ufo, Friday, 24 July 2020 04:32 (three years ago) link

and then it comes back again!

ufo, Friday, 24 July 2020 04:33 (three years ago) link

So she broke up with Joe, huh?

triggercut, Friday, 24 July 2020 04:34 (three years ago) link

Kinda her mid/late 90s lingering-impact-of-trip-hop album to a degree, isn't it? (This is very much not a complaint.) Also given the recent Hit Parade episode on Lilith Fair I'm feeling a hair of McLachlan from around then too, and similarly not a complaint.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 July 2020 04:37 (three years ago) link

Listening to "The Last Great American Dynasty," and it's easy to imagine Matt Berninger singing the chorus.

jaymc, Friday, 24 July 2020 04:39 (three years ago) link

"mirrorball" is soooo pretty

ufo, Friday, 24 July 2020 04:41 (three years ago) link

"A marvelous time ruining everything" is a great line that hits harder via the repetition and variation.

Ned Raggett, Friday, 24 July 2020 04:42 (three years ago) link

“august” is a cocteau twins song and it made me cry

this is the best taylor swift album and i’m not even done yet

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 24 July 2020 04:47 (three years ago) link

I don't think what the Dessners and co. bring to the table really works for me tbh

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Friday, 24 July 2020 04:48 (three years ago) link

This may be a #ControversialOpinion, but I think "Cardigan" is even a better/more interesting song than "All Too Well," thanks to its precision and economy.

― Day 1 fan (morrisp), Tuesday, June 6, 2023 3:57 PM (thirty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

It's not

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 June 2023 20:32 (ten months ago) link

lol agreed, Alfred

horseshoe, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 20:40 (ten months ago) link

yeah that’s a bridge too far cmon now

brimstead, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 21:21 (ten months ago) link

here we are again

brimstead, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 21:22 (ten months ago) link

I remember it all too well!

the dreaded dependent claus (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 6 June 2023 21:28 (ten months ago) link

Tired: "We're dancin' 'round the kitchen in the refrigerator light"
Wired: "Dancin' in your Levis / Drunk under the streetlight"

Day 1 fan (morrisp), Tuesday, 6 June 2023 21:43 (ten months ago) link

I think part of the point of “Cardigan” is that for all the narrator’s professed certainty she leaves entirely unclear whether she actually takes dude back. He “comes back” to her, standing in the porch light etc., but it’s entirely possible that she tells him to fuck off at that point.

Tim F, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 21:59 (ten months ago) link

yes I suppose that’s true, and I don’t think the song is bad, but it is my least fave on an excellent album.

horseshoe, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 22:03 (ten months ago) link

but since I’ve been listening to the album twice a day of late, it may grow on me

horseshoe, Tuesday, 6 June 2023 22:13 (ten months ago) link

I love the couplet “knew I’d curse you for the longest time / chasing shadows in the grocery line”, not sure if those two lines are supposed ti be ‘linked’ but yeah they convey that sense of ambiguity about how she feels about dude

also “I knew EVERYTHING when I was young” breaks my heart for some reason

brimstead, Wednesday, 7 June 2023 00:15 (ten months ago) link

Yeah I think it's more interestingly ambiguous/complicated than one of her more straightforward "we were made for each other" songs...

Day 1 fan (morrisp), Wednesday, 7 June 2023 00:20 (ten months ago) link

Yes, the key aspect of the "EVERYTHING" is not that she knew he would come back to her, but that she knew (or anticipated) that he would leave her (and leave her devastated) in the first place. The "they" in "When you are young they assume you know nothing" could be the world at large but it could also be anyone she dated including the "you" of the song. She was clear-eyed enough to know he would ultimately betray her sooner or later, but let it happen anyway because what are you supposed to do when you are in love?

The song I pair it with is not "All Too Well" or "Mary's Song" or "That's How You Get The Girl" or "Love Song" or "Invisible String"; it's "Fifteen". That song is about the illusions of youth: "When you're fifteen and somebody tells you they love you, you're gonna believe them."

But the narrator of "Cardigan" doesn't necessarily believe. Even the chorus is rife with ambiguity: "You put me on and said I was your favourite". Does she actually accept that she is his favourite? Or is it just something she allows herself to accept in the moment because it's comforting?

A key aspect of Taylor's best songwriting on Folkore and Evermore is the way she plays with this kind of ambiguity, and I wish it was talked about more (and that some interviewer would ask her about it, or really ask any intelligent question about her songwriting - but I've griped about that before). Almost all of her best songwriting in this era - "August", "Cowboy Like Me", "Ivy", "'Tis The Damn Season", "Tolerate It", etc. - occupies this space where choosing (or allowing oneself) to be emotionally dependent on another person is fraught with risk and/or sacrifices (variously: autonomy, security, a clear sense of independent self-worth) and even a song like "Cowboy Like Me", which from a distance sounds like a love song, becomes more complicated when viewed up close: "I'm waiting by the phone like I'm sitting in an airport bar", "We could be the way forward, and I know I'll pay for it", "forever is the sweetest con". There's an undercurrent at work which I suspect is a deliberate disavowal of the kind of fairy tale predestination her songwriting is typically associated with (but which she's been moving away from since at least her third album).

(even "Invisible String" is kind of the opposite of how it appears on the surface: "Isn't it just so pretty to think..." The narrator's saying it's a comforting fiction, she knows that in reality life just isn't that simple or straightforward, which is why she now sends presents to the babies of her ex-lovers, but imposing structured narratives is part of how make sense of a deal with the messiness of real life)

Tim F, Wednesday, 7 June 2023 01:23 (ten months ago) link

Also hard to hear “Isn’t it pretty to think…” and not be reminded of the final line of that Hemingway novel.

Day 1 fan (morrisp), Wednesday, 7 June 2023 01:58 (ten months ago) link

two weeks pass...

I've never really listened to much Taylor Swift on purpose (for starters, in this house I don't have a choice), but whenever I hear stuff from "Folklore" it clicks that this is the album I've always wanted Taylor to make. Really lovely songs, strong lyrics, really confident in its commitment to a mood minus a lot of the try-hard vibes that sometimes turn me off.

Josh in Chicago, Friday, 23 June 2023 15:45 (nine months ago) link


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