Taylor Swift - Folklore

Not even a lead single that we all hate? LET’S GO

what??? the name makes me hope it's a step away from the pop of her last few albums which has really had diminishing returns

Folklore

she is such a hack

oh collaborators this time are aaron dessner, justin vernon, william bowery (which is not a name i recognise at all or can find anything about?) and antonoff of course so i'll expect it's indeed folk-y

jesus

isn’t kanye releasing an album tomorrow too?

tracklist:
the 1
cardigan
the last great american dynasty
exile (feat. bon iver)
my tears ricochet
mirrorball
seven
august
this is me trying
illicit affairs
invisible string
mad woman
epiphany
betty
peace
hoax

bonus track:
the lakes

Rodrigo Prieto, who’s helped out on the last few Scorsese movies, is the cinematographer for the “cardigan” video - is she about to put out a good music video for once???

(I mean, he’s also worked with Iñárritu but let’s not dwell on that)

the look what you made me do video was good!

the last great american dynasty

even she watched the jordan doc

omg this sounds kind of awful but will probs be amazing

This is the concept I've wanted from her since forever. Can it live up to my expectations? At least it's a good idea to just let it all out without the usual bluster of a pre-release hype campaign. That's refreshing

Missed opportunity for a Myrkur collaboration IMO but I guess she didn't want the whole 'Aryan goddess' thing to bubble up again.

It’s a concept album about sacrificing Varg.

i’m overwhelmed

pic.twitter.com/w2hhXfRi0M

— Aaron Dessner (@aaron_dessner) July 23, 2020

an entire brand new album of songs I’ve poured all of my whims, dreams, fears, and musings into.

Would be funny if they were all songs about unicorns, eating babies, not studying for the test, Trump, teeth falling out and what if giraffes could speak.

Seriously, though, I'm really intrigued by the notion of Swift working fast and spontaneously and foregoing the pop polish/pressures.

Can anyone recommend some good folk/folk-esque albums released this year?

Bonny Light Horseman for sure

lol this is BREAKING NEWS on p4k, writ large on a red banner.

xp thanks.

an entire brand new album of songs I’ve poured all of my whims, dreams, fears, and musings into.

so this is all her rejected Cats songs, then

And extra special thanks to my amazing manager and as always to heroic Wuotan who oversees Valhalla and shall lead us to glory

i’m so happy

lol I forgot she was in Cats. I forgot there was a Cats!

if you had seen cats you would not forget there was a cats

no lies detected

Can anyone recommend some good folk/folk-esque albums released this year?

Not exactly under the radar but Owen Pallet, Blake Mills & Phoebe Bridgers albums?

the new Fabiano do Nascimento is good

I guess those are folk-esque, yeah (I’ve heard the Pallett and Bridgers, liked ‘em both).

xp

There's a new Gillian Welch.

I know she is not like this at all but my first reaction to the title "Folklore" was "oh cool, she's going full-Varg"

hahahaha I see Ned got there first

Damn it, now I actually want a Taylor Swift folk-metal album.

Taylor Swift Presents: The Prussian Blue Songbook

"When you can tour again, what will it be like?"

"Ritualistic."

"Here's the world premiere of the new Taylor Swift single, 'Solstice Blindfold'"

Leaked first single:

https://youtu.be/AcAl4Fr2qQU

But I got smarter, built an altar in the nick of time
Honey, I summoned up the dead, I do it all the time
I've got a list of souls and yours is in red, sacrificed
Chop your neck once, then I chop it twice, oh!

Look who you made me kill.

now set it to an Antonoff beat.

the art made me think of this so hopefully that's her new direction

Goole on Twitter is monitoring this for the "if you sing about forests you are straight up racist" rule, he recorded expressed concern over the song "The Lakes" which could be seen as forest fash adjacent

pity forests and lakes, they didn't ask for this

Anyway this is all reminding me what I think of the National, which is a big blank space upon which I have not projected any thoughts.

That’s exactly what they want you to think.

"I am a big blank space / upon which I have not / projected any thoughts" is one of my favorite National lyrics

I'm glad to know I can score some extra coin this way.

very funny to me this is prob her best album art ever

anyway i bought a copy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDkLfpyqbm0

"mirrorball" and "august" are some of the best tracks on this

obsessed with "mirrorball"

been listening to this album nonstop recently; i think when it came out i lacked the focus to listen to anything? it is super-good! she sounds like she's trying to sing like joni mitchell on "peace." some of her best lyrics ever on this album.

only second tier song to me is "cardigan"

Haha, see, I like that one

furthermore:

IM STILL A BELIEVER
BUT I DONT KNOW WHY
ILL NEVER BE A NATURAL
ALL I EVER DO IS TRY TRY TRY

...

IM STILL ON THAT TIGHTROPE
IM STILL TRYING EEEEEVERYTHING
TO KEEP YOU LOOKING AT ME

"seven" makes me so sad

just driving in my car, listening to "folklore," feeling feelings

some of her best lyrics ever on this album.

― horseshoe, Tuesday, June 6, 2023 9:30 AM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

100%. I love all the callbacks/internal references in the lyrics between these two albums. Been listening to this playlist a lot that combines them "in the story order"

https://open.spotify.com/playlist/3IWCfag3xFRuQCtLirPTjP?si=e56567854f9b4306

Here's a decent/consumable summary of the mostly fan-driven narrative on this: https://lhstomtom.org/5235/arts-entertainment/a-detailed-guide-to-folklores-love-triangle-explained-through-some-of-taylor-swifts-folklore-and-evermore-songs/

until i pick my daughter up and she makes me play songs sung by Elmo

xp

Still obsessed with "Cowboy Like Me." The soft "ch" sounds in the lines "perched in the dark / telling all the rich folks anything they wanna hear" ... ugh.

I mean, yeah, the Evermore songs are on another level…

For me, Folklore has a similar hit-to-miss ratio as, say, Lover (in fact I slightly prefer that one)… whereas her best albums are no-skip affairs.

only second tier song to me is "cardigan"

lol sorry I just thought that was a pretty heavy song

Here's a decent/consumable summary of the mostly fan-driven narrative on this: https://lhstomtom.org/5235/arts-entertainment/a-detailed-guide-to-folklores-love-triangle-explained-through-some-of-taylor-swifts-folklore-and-evermore-songs/

I don't really get how it deepens one's appreciation of these songs by shoehorning them into this supposed "narrative," rather than doing the opposite (making the songs seem more trivial)... but to each their own! (It reminds me of how some Fiery Furnaces fans kept trying to find/invent a narrative throughline to each of their albums, even though that was only sort of / halfway / not at all a thing for all but one of them.)

WHAT
― brimstead, Tuesday, June 6, 2023 3:20 PM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I dunno! I find the speaker boring and smug! The slightest of the “cardigan” “August” “betty” triptych. Also “you drew stars around my scars” a rare lyrical misstep on the album

I still listen to it though

furthermore

IF IM DEAD TO YOU WHY ARE YOU AT THE WAKE?

CURSIN MY NAME

WISHIN I STAYED

LOOK AT HOW MY TEARS RICOCHET

recently got this on vinyl

still true:

"Cold was the steel of my ax to grind for the boys who broke my heart / Now I send their babies presents"
― Ned Raggett

this line is so good, and also the followup:

"Gold was the color of the leaves when I showed you around Centennial Park / Hell was the journey but it brought me heaven"

― sleeve, Friday, July 24, 2020 10:58 PM

yeah that’s a great song

I don't think the narrator of "Cardigan" is smug(?), and I think some of the lines are really good (particularly how it hinges on the climactic "'Cause I knew everything when I was young")

I really like both couplets in the chorus, too

This may be a #ControversialOpinion, but I think "Cardigan" is even a better/more interesting song than "All Too Well," thanks to its precision and economy.

I guess what I mean is there’s an interesting complexity to the personae speaking “August” and “Betty” even though the dude in the latter seems kind of…feeble, but there me not much TO the persona speaking “cardigan”

“Mary’s Song” or “Love Story” or even “invisible string” do a better job conveying childlike conviction you and someone else were made for each other. It sits kind of uneasy on this adult album about self awareness and compromise and the passage of time.

would not occur to me to compare “cardigan” to “all too well”

They're both post-breakup songs in which the narrator focuses on small, specific details (no?)

Isn’t “cardigan” post-reunion?

yeah, I guess the guy comes back in "Cardigan"

This may be a #ControversialOpinion, but I think "Cardigan" is even a better/more interesting song than "All Too Well," thanks to its precision and economy.

― Day 1 fan (morrisp), Tuesday, June 6, 2023 3:57 PM (thirty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

It's not

lol agreed, Alfred

yeah that’s a bridge too far cmon now

here we are again

I remember it all too well!

Tired: "We're dancin' 'round the kitchen in the refrigerator light"
Wired: "Dancin' in your Levis / Drunk under the streetlight"

I think part of the point of “Cardigan” is that for all the narrator’s professed certainty she leaves entirely unclear whether she actually takes dude back. He “comes back” to her, standing in the porch light etc., but it’s entirely possible that she tells him to fuck off at that point.

yes I suppose that’s true, and I don’t think the song is bad, but it is my least fave on an excellent album.

but since I’ve been listening to the album twice a day of late, it may grow on me

I love the couplet “knew I’d curse you for the longest time / chasing shadows in the grocery line”, not sure if those two lines are supposed ti be ‘linked’ but yeah they convey that sense of ambiguity about how she feels about dude

also “I knew EVERYTHING when I was young” breaks my heart for some reason

Yeah I think it's more interestingly ambiguous/complicated than one of her more straightforward "we were made for each other" songs...

Yes, the key aspect of the "EVERYTHING" is not that she knew he would come back to her, but that she knew (or anticipated) that he would leave her (and leave her devastated) in the first place. The "they" in "When you are young they assume you know nothing" could be the world at large but it could also be anyone she dated including the "you" of the song. She was clear-eyed enough to know he would ultimately betray her sooner or later, but let it happen anyway because what are you supposed to do when you are in love?

The song I pair it with is not "All Too Well" or "Mary's Song" or "That's How You Get The Girl" or "Love Song" or "Invisible String"; it's "Fifteen". That song is about the illusions of youth: "When you're fifteen and somebody tells you they love you, you're gonna believe them."

But the narrator of "Cardigan" doesn't necessarily believe. Even the chorus is rife with ambiguity: "You put me on and said I was your favourite". Does she actually accept that she is his favourite? Or is it just something she allows herself to accept in the moment because it's comforting?

A key aspect of Taylor's best songwriting on Folkore and Evermore is the way she plays with this kind of ambiguity, and I wish it was talked about more (and that some interviewer would ask her about it, or really ask any intelligent question about her songwriting - but I've griped about that before). Almost all of her best songwriting in this era - "August", "Cowboy Like Me", "Ivy", "'Tis The Damn Season", "Tolerate It", etc. - occupies this space where choosing (or allowing oneself) to be emotionally dependent on another person is fraught with risk and/or sacrifices (variously: autonomy, security, a clear sense of independent self-worth) and even a song like "Cowboy Like Me", which from a distance sounds like a love song, becomes more complicated when viewed up close: "I'm waiting by the phone like I'm sitting in an airport bar", "We could be the way forward, and I know I'll pay for it", "forever is the sweetest con". There's an undercurrent at work which I suspect is a deliberate disavowal of the kind of fairy tale predestination her songwriting is typically associated with (but which she's been moving away from since at least her third album).

(even "Invisible String" is kind of the opposite of how it appears on the surface: "Isn't it just so pretty to think..." The narrator's saying it's a comforting fiction, she knows that in reality life just isn't that simple or straightforward, which is why she now sends presents to the babies of her ex-lovers, but imposing structured narratives is part of how make sense of a deal with the messiness of real life)

Also hard to hear “Isn’t it pretty to think…” and not be reminded of the final line of that Hemingway novel.

I've never really listened to much Taylor Swift on purpose (for starters, in this house I don't have a choice), but whenever I hear stuff from "Folklore" it clicks that this is the album I've always wanted Taylor to make. Really lovely songs, strong lyrics, really confident in its commitment to a mood minus a lot of the try-hard vibes that sometimes turn me off.