And at least one person who is itt is also a Kanye fan as far as I can tell.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 22 July 2020 19:14 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vw7ukmZVQHg
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 19:15 (three years ago) link
Kanye's run from 2003 to 2016 is probably the greatest body of work of any musician of the 21st century, but everyone def come out with your contrarian opinions because he wore the Bad Red Hat
― The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 19:18 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZA_RhpEkkgg
and incidentally, I hadn't checked back on scarface since he contracted covid and:https://www.bet.com/music/2020/06/18/scarface-coronavirus-diagnosis-survival-story.html
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 19:20 (three years ago) link
probably the greatest body of work of any musician of the 21st century
Unless it was an honest mistake and you just forgot to type the word "pop" into that post, fuuuuuck off.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 19:22 (three years ago) link
Wow you must not have heard a lot of music between 2003 and 2016.
xxp
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 22 July 2020 19:24 (three years ago) link
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, July 22, 2020 3:22 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
Yes, one day may Kanye West reach the heights of Defeated Sanity's Chapters of Repugnance or whatever
― The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 19:30 (three years ago) link
How about Anthony Braxton or Henry Threadgill?
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 19:31 (three years ago) link
It takes a special kind of person to claim that people didn't hate Kanye until he put on the hat.
― unashamed and trash (Unctious), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 19:32 (three years ago) link
much respect to Anthony Braxton, but he did not make "Otis"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoEKWtgJQAU
― The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 19:35 (three years ago) link
...and that’s ok.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 22 July 2020 19:36 (three years ago) link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDGtRo-O1Mg
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 19:38 (three years ago) link
Kanye needs to get properly medicated, quit running for president, reject Jesus and produce a new Freeway album
― The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten)
oh good we are Canon Building again, this never gets old
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 19:39 (three years ago) link
lmao at Whiney's insistence that 1) Kanye's work up to TLOP is somehow inscrutable and 2) supporting oppression and American fascism just boils down to "wearing the Bad Red Hat"
― frogbs, Wednesday, 22 July 2020 19:39 (three years ago) link
"i am concerned about kanye's acute bout of what appears to be uncontrolled mental illness""yeah well i bet you like The National"
― Kate (rushomancy), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 19:40 (three years ago) link
what's happening here
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 19:41 (three years ago) link
fuuuuck this is nasty
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k00DesCGjlM
whiney it's a bit more than wearing a bad hat, though i will defer to your expertise in that area
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 19:42 (three years ago) link
just blaze for presidenthttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sb6PJxprRME
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 19:42 (three years ago) link
xpost haha nice
― The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 19:42 (three years ago) link
― The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten),
talk about challops! holy balls
― calstars, Wednesday, 22 July 2020 19:43 (three years ago) link
Just p4k doxa.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 22 July 2020 19:44 (three years ago) link
Do we have a Pick Only One: 2000-2020 thread?
― The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 19:49 (three years ago) link
Thread is on ILM so YouTubes is the way to go tbf.
― Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 19:56 (three years ago) link
oh man that Freewest track
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 20:03 (three years ago) link
Yes, even I like that one.
― Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 20:06 (three years ago) link
*Freeway
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 20:10 (three years ago) link
the other kanye-produced song on philadelphia freeway is also a banger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3l6N40lqck
― mozzy star (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 20:51 (three years ago) link
i totally forgot that he produced ludacris's 'stand up' too, beats very much out of character
― mozzy star (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 20:53 (three years ago) link
MBDTF sounds like a very 2000s album in a highly compressed, bit-crushed way. This trend was very much not in line with the tradition of big budget, ultra high clarity recordings, but it was a clear stylistic move at the time, and served its purpose well enough.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 21:51 (three years ago) link
Kanye's a narcissistic asshole, yes, culturally dangerous even, and hasn't produced anything of artistic value imho since maybe 2-3 songs on Pablo. ehhh I actually liked Poopity Scoop as a joke but it's clear he's a good half decade past jumping the shark and reaching shore.
But holy shit, takes like "Kanye's run from 2003 to 2016 is probably the greatest body of work of any musician of the 21st century" being thoroughly trashed in this thread is some ludicrous revisionism. Name any other artist that had the pop cultural impact that dude did for a fucking decade in the 21st century. I can't think of a single one other than mayyyyybe Beyonce? Even as I type that it doesn't feel right though. He was at the zeitgeist of popular music and pop innovation for at least 10 years. Yeezus and The College Dropout are my two favorite records by the dude and are amazing to listen to even today, if you can put aside your feelings of him as a person, and that is incredible as they are nearly a decade apart. He was wildly creative and innovative; his very narcissism allowed him to bore head first into relatively experimental territory for a mainstream artist and was critically celebrated, here and elsewhere ad nauseum.
Yes, too much praise inflates the narcissistic bubble to cancerous tumor levels. Yes, he was a fucking asshole, to a certain extent, from day 1, but was grounded by his mother. Her death I think began the slow decline into the emotional cesspool he's found himself in today, that and honestly I feel he's been seduced by the darker sides of social media and authoritarian conservative culture. Do I think he's free of culpability for being a narcissistic closed minded prick? Hell no! But the amazing music he wrote or produced from 2000 - 2015 is still amazing.
I wish he had the sense of ambition and work ethic he exhibited up until 2010. His ambitions now are ersatz. MBDTF was rightly praised, even if it felt a bit Cremaster Cycley in its visuals and was musically celebrating his narcissism and cult of personality, but it was entertaining and reflected a lot of social media zeitgeist culture of the day. Indeed it was toxic. But it felt confessional and self aware. It was sonically diverse. Social media and "me culture" has now been revealed for what it always was now that the consequences have thoroughly washed over us as a culture. And now he's literally "phoning it in" and his muse is a shell of what it was, but fuck it shouldn't take away from those tunes. The fucking ruled.
― octobeard, Wednesday, 22 July 2020 23:00 (three years ago) link
Is this where a bunch of the National fans get together and say the most gifted rap auteur of the 21st Century
Kanye's run from 2003 to 2016 is probably the greatest body of work of any musician of the 21st century
Only people I've ever heard say silly shit like this unironically are white rock critics who don't otherwise pay any attention to, let alone give any serious critical praise to, anything other than white indie rock bands like the National lmao (major lol @ those same people who tried to cannonize Yeezus as some revolutionary "industrial" album when in reality it is just mixed and produced like a Youtube poop video).
And 2016??? Do any actual fans of Kanye even claim Pablo or hold it anywhere near the same esteem as his first couple of albums??
― Sabre of Paradise (trevor phillips), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 23:02 (three years ago) link
He was at the zeitgeist of popular music and pop innovation for at least 10 years.
This is a more sensible take. Whiney's challop was less circumscribed, and calculatedly so.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 22 July 2020 23:03 (three years ago) link
my challop is that the first couple of albums are corny and bad and 808s is the peak
― Temporary Erogenous Zone (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 23:04 (three years ago) link
honestly I think he is by far the best when he is producing tracks for other peoplebest two things he's done in recent memory was Daytona for Pusha and KTSE for Teyana Taylor
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 23:08 (three years ago) link
yes
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 23:08 (three years ago) link
people make fun of Lift Yourself but it's better than any beat on anything he's done Pablo and afterI think part of the beef with him and Drake was that he'd promised that to Drake and then put it out as a joke and Drake took that as a slap in the face
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 23:11 (three years ago) link
poopity scoop is better than drake could've done
― mozzy star (voodoo chili), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 23:20 (three years ago) link
i think pablo is regularly overrated and quite a mess but come on lol
― ufo, Wednesday, 22 July 2020 23:23 (three years ago) link
http://media2.giphy.com/media/amxLHEPgGDCKs/giphy.gif
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 23:27 (three years ago) link
lift yourself was a cool beat!anyway long story short I'm a medium fan of his albums, totally sick of his bullshit, but even if he never made a solo album he'd be in the conversation talking about the best rap producers in this century
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 23:40 (three years ago) link
But holy shit, takes like "Kanye's run from 2003 to 2016 is probably the greatest body of work of any musician of the 21st century" being thoroughly trashed in this thread is some ludicrous revisionism. Name any other artist that had the pop cultural impact that dude did for a fucking decade in the 21st century
What if we don't equate "pop cultural impact" with "greatest body of work"?
― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Wednesday, 22 July 2020 23:54 (three years ago) link
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DisastrousUnfoldedDarklingbeetle-size_restricted.gif
― pomenitul, Thursday, 23 July 2020 00:01 (three years ago) link
What if we make "cultural impact" one aspect of judging greatness
― The Mandymoorian (Whiney G. Weingarten), Thursday, 23 July 2020 00:05 (three years ago) link
one aspect
Sure.
― pomenitul, Thursday, 23 July 2020 00:16 (three years ago) link
I mean I will side-eye anyone who doesn't think his first two solo albums are classics, I will also ride for MBDTF, and I know I will get clowned for it, and I do like Graduation. 808s can suck a dick. and of course his pre-solo career production as well.
Yeezus I listened to once and probably left in the house I opened it in. not cos it was bad, just cos....idk
― Lady Antibody (Neanderthal), Thursday, 23 July 2020 00:22 (three years ago) link
Then we risk underrating Ben Monder.xp
― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Thursday, 23 July 2020 00:25 (three years ago) link
I’m going to write a 33 1/3 volume about jesus is king. Then you’ll all see.
― treeship., Thursday, 23 July 2020 01:15 (three years ago) link
Kanye will probably buy them all
― Lady Antibody (Neanderthal), Thursday, 23 July 2020 01:16 (three years ago) link
I like graduation too
― brimstead, Thursday, 23 July 2020 01:59 (three years ago) link