I HATE APPLE

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Not sure if this is the best place to ask for Mac help, but here we go.

A while back I replaced my mac's hard drive with a SSD. At a certain point it wouldn't update anymore and I after reading online I came to understand that this is a regular problem with people that replaced their drives. The consensus fix is this: back up info, reformat drive to APFS, use a bootable installer thumb drive to install the OS (Mojave) in disk utility mode.

When I try to do the last step, I get: "Your mac needs a firmware update in order to install to this volume. Please select a Mac OS Extended (Journaled) volume instead."

What now?

Cow_Art, Monday, 20 July 2020 18:24 (three years ago) link

is that telling you the thumb drive is formatted wrong?

i.e. did you skip step 1 here https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201372

๐” ๐”ž๐”ข๐”จ (caek), Monday, 20 July 2020 18:32 (three years ago) link

It is a 16gb thumb drive and I formatted it as specified.

Hmmmm. If the thumb drive is MS Extended, and the drive is APFS, is that the problem? The drive supposedly has to be APFS to work correctly with the SSD. Should the thumb drive have been formatted APFS? That's not what the instructions said to do, but....

Cow_Art, Monday, 20 July 2020 18:36 (three years ago) link

Nothing should be โ€œMS extendedโ€. How did you format it?

๐” ๐”ž๐”ข๐”จ (caek), Monday, 20 July 2020 19:28 (three years ago) link

Sorry, Mac OS extended.

Cow_Art, Monday, 20 July 2020 19:33 (three years ago) link

The thumb drive should be Mac OS extended according to those docs even if the Mac is going to be apfs so Iโ€™m not sure. Sorry

๐” ๐”ž๐”ข๐”จ (caek), Monday, 20 July 2020 19:41 (three years ago) link

Ugh, tried to do time machine restore and it's saying I can't because the drive is APFS. Grrrrr

Cow_Art, Monday, 20 July 2020 19:47 (three years ago) link

My time capsule drive died and now I'm going to have to pay $250 (at least) to someone to try and recover it. So, you know, I hate apple.

DJI, Monday, 20 July 2020 20:08 (three years ago) link

The internet is telling me that to get it back to Mac OS extended I have to do a bunch of shit in Terminal. And the things I need to do aren't clear. It says I need to wipe the drive in terminal but there is a big list of drives. Only two say they are APFS, but I don't know which one to wipe out. Confused and frustrated, I'm about to have a toddler tantrum.

Cow_Art, Monday, 20 July 2020 20:21 (three years ago) link

If I throw the mac in the backyard while it's raining, will that fix it?

Cow_Art, Monday, 20 July 2020 20:23 (three years ago) link

My time capsule drive died and now I'm going to have to pay $250 (at least) to someone to try and recover it. So, you know, I hate apple.

โ€• DJI, Monday, July 20, 2020 1:08 PM (thirty-six minutes ago)

apple can't make hard drives failure-proof

all cats are beautiful (silby), Monday, 20 July 2020 20:46 (three years ago) link

My time capsule is nearly ten years old, probably time to get a new networks drive.

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Monday, 20 July 2020 20:56 (three years ago) link

by at least 5 years yes

all cats are beautiful (silby), Monday, 20 July 2020 21:05 (three years ago) link

I, personally, back up nothing, due to stupidity

all cats are beautiful (silby), Monday, 20 July 2020 21:06 (three years ago) link

why recover time capsule? Was it more than just backups?

Buy a new big drive and back-up again.

dan selzer, Monday, 20 July 2020 21:09 (three years ago) link

I had my overflow Lightroom library on it. :(

DJI, Monday, 20 July 2020 21:26 (three years ago) link

Anything you donโ€™t have an off-site copy of, ideally located in a different seismic zone from you, is something you donโ€™t really have, Iโ€™m afraid.

all cats are beautiful (silby), Monday, 20 July 2020 21:33 (three years ago) link

Everything I REALLY care about is on Flickr, but lots of stuff in my lightroom backup that I'd rather not lose.

DJI, Monday, 20 July 2020 21:35 (three years ago) link

Can USB sockets start to fail? Of the two on my MBP, one is now noticeably much slower to recognise external drives. I've tested with different drives including a brand new one with a better quality cable. And once connected, data transfer speeds are 20x slower.

lefal junglist platton (wtev), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 06:11 (three years ago) link

Entirely possible. On my previous MBP (2012 rMBP) one of the USB ports cut out similarly. It was still under AppleCare then and Apple fixed it for free.

Elvis Telecom, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 11:55 (three years ago) link

Turns out my drive is unrecoverable. :(

DJI, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 16:39 (three years ago) link

what about the drive it was backing up?

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 16:52 (three years ago) link

That one is fine but the Lightroom archive is gone so all photos before 2018 (that aren't on Flickr) are gone.

DJI, Wednesday, 29 July 2020 16:53 (three years ago) link

ahhhhh bastard. iโ€™m sorry.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 July 2020 17:11 (three years ago) link

two weeks pass...

Feels like the dam is breaking on the App Store rules bullshit with this fortnite thing

๐” ๐”ž๐”ข๐”จ (caek), Saturday, 15 August 2020 16:06 (three years ago) link

I dunno. I wish it was a small indie developer that was suing rather than a tentacle of a giant conglomerate that's busy shoring up their own monopolies.

Elvis Telecom, Monday, 17 August 2020 23:34 (three years ago) link

Only Nixon could go to china

๐” ๐”ž๐”ข๐”จ (caek), Monday, 17 August 2020 23:53 (three years ago) link

absolutely deranged stuff here from apple

https://mjtsai.com/blog/2020/08/21/apple-files-response-to-epic/

๐” ๐”ž๐”ข๐”จ (caek), Saturday, 22 August 2020 05:43 (three years ago) link

lol this guy is a maniac.

my upgrade cycle on macs is averaging about 9 years. not sure what heโ€™s using his for but by my math iโ€™m coming out ahead!

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 28 August 2020 06:04 (three years ago) link

i think the point is that, until recently, if you wanted to upgrade every time a new product on the same line came out you could do so very cheaply, like your were leasing a macbook for a year for 20% of its cost. which is really no more expensive than upgrading every five years or so.

my main laptop is 7 years old btw so i also think this is the insane behavior of someone with too much spare time. but i remember losing 25% (!) when i sold a 3 year old (!) macbook pro in like 2013. that ship has sailed.

๐” ๐”ž๐”ข๐”จ (caek), Friday, 28 August 2020 17:23 (three years ago) link

I finally installed Catalina this week (because I'm getting a new Air next week & I want the transfer to be as easy as possible). It seems better to me! For instance my mbp wakes up from clamshell more reliably.

Joey Corona (Euler), Friday, 28 August 2020 17:37 (three years ago) link

when i change the volume on my phone via the hardware buttons in the side, the touch screen lights up and becomes active.

what is the advantage here?

iโ€™m using the buttons on the side. isnโ€™t it obvious that i donโ€™t want to use the screen???

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 29 August 2020 22:53 (three years ago) link

I finally installed Catalina this week (because I'm getting a new Air next week & I want the transfer to be as easy as possible). It seems better to me! For instance my mbp wakes up from clamshell more reliably.

โ€• Joey Corona (Euler),

Thanks for posting this, would like to see other users' experience too. I've been nervous about Catalina since it got trashed on rollout, and I'd love to know when it's safe to install.

Scampos Runamuck (WmC), Saturday, 29 August 2020 22:56 (three years ago) link

iโ€™ve been using it for awhile on my new mini and itโ€™s fine for me. iโ€™m not a very demanding user though. my kids use blender, premiere, it all seems fine.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 29 August 2020 23:44 (three years ago) link

It borked my printer drivers* and forced me to move from MacPorts to brew.

*only an issue because Fujitsu took an absolute age to come up with new ones. I rarely have to print anything but itโ€™s highly annoying to have to get someone else to do it for you.

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Saturday, 29 August 2020 23:52 (three years ago) link

i wish apple still made printers just so you could rely on a minimal level of support across operating systems

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Saturday, 29 August 2020 23:54 (three years ago) link

Itโ€™s fine on new hardware in my experience but I havenโ€™t upgraded anything yet. Planning to do that soon, but need to migrate off my last Catalina incompatible app (very old lightroom)

๐” ๐”ž๐”ข๐”จ (caek), Sunday, 30 August 2020 01:14 (three years ago) link

I hardly ever need to print but If this printer ever packs up the next printer I get will definitely have to be compatible with generic postscript drivers. It is however incredibly resilient and seemingly indestructible black and white laser printer.

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Sunday, 30 August 2020 02:28 (three years ago) link

The Brother 2370 series has been our standard here for almost a decade now. The current ones are shockingly easy to set up to print from both our Macs and our phones.

Been on Catalina since the beginning and I've been recommending it for folks since 10.15.3 or so.

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 30 August 2020 07:24 (three years ago) link

No Catalina issues here, but I haven't bothered with the 10.15.6 Supplemental it's been nudging me about for the last few weeks. But I'm also a light user.

I don't recall having to do anything to get my (cheap 2014 Canon Pixma) printer to work with the Mac. Turned it on, found it, printed to it. (I appreciate this is not going to be the case for older printers). I think this was the second moment (after the breeze of the initial MBP set-up) where I thought "This really isn't going to be anything like owning a Windows machine."

I think my work laptop (2013 HP Elitebook, W7->W10) is sufficiently nailed down by Corp IT strictures not to get in the way of what I need to do, but every other time I touch a Windows laptop, the swearing starts.

Michael Jones, Sunday, 30 August 2020 08:12 (three years ago) link

(I mean, obviously there's a deluge of effing and blinding when I'm on the work laptop too, but that's not OS related)

Michael Jones, Sunday, 30 August 2020 08:40 (three years ago) link

A HP LaserJet 5 i picked up for buttons in the 00s is going to outlast me at this rate. It works with everything from a 68k PowerBook to intel iMacs; and outlasted LaserWriters (which require AppleTalk support) too.

stet, Sunday, 30 August 2020 10:22 (three years ago) link

Maybe iโ€™ve just been unlucky with my cheap inkjets. Feels like every time thereโ€™s a major system update the drivers donโ€™t work anymore. However I now own a b&w Brother on I think caekโ€™s advice. I love it, love how fast it is, love how easy it is, and i hope i get to use it for a long time.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Sunday, 30 August 2020 10:25 (three years ago) link

Oh inkjets are definitely a disaster โ€“ย I've got a little Canon which has some terrible GhostPrint drivers and barely works these days

stet, Sunday, 30 August 2020 11:19 (three years ago) link

Yeah I stan for brother lasers. Problem right now is they are sold out everywhere via covid!

๐” ๐”ž๐”ข๐”จ (caek), Sunday, 30 August 2020 18:52 (three years ago) link

yes, i trust this computer. it's my personal computer. i'm logged into the same icloud account as my phone and i've told you i 'trust' it like 20 times already. fuck's sake

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 1 September 2020 16:04 (three years ago) link

Sounds like you've got trust issues.

Alba, Tuesday, 1 September 2020 16:07 (three years ago) link

In the music app in IOS, if browse your music by genre, you get a list of albums in alphabetical order by album title and there is no option to sort by artist.

Who in the world wants to look at their albums alphabetically by title???

Hans Holbein (Chinchilla Volapรผk), Thursday, 3 September 2020 06:37 (three years ago) link

oh my god yes, this grates on my nerves and has for ten years

assert (MatthewK), Thursday, 3 September 2020 07:43 (three years ago) link


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