US Politics: July 2020 - "Denigrating this Luxury Avenue"

where do they think they’re gonna find voters for whom “crime” is a presidential campaign issue

There are millions and millions of people who think "crime" (by which they mean mugging, rape, and home invasion, not tax fraud, wage theft, and public corruption) are at all-time highs even though the rate is half what it was within their lifetimes.

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Sure they ought to be able to range without blame being placed on them for it.
And then watch what that leads to in election results. Unfortunately elections are decided by emotional reactions, not true justified morality.

rage, not range

Are we really going to get into the semantics of what a fuckin' "bunch" is again?

10 states is a "bunch" of states, and Oklahoma is one state where you can buy your way onto the ballot, of which there are only 3. He's trying to gather the signatures for South Carolina right now, but there are already problems where he listed places people could supply their signatures, only for people at those locations to have no idea what Ye was talking about.

He's also directing people to Docusign even though it's unclear if SC allows DocuSign to count as signatures.

It's pretty obvious that his "ground game" is disjointed and he will likely fail to get needed signatures by the deadlines in many other states.

President Trump on Monday said he will resume giving regular coronavirus briefings this week, reviving a practice that is controversial among some aides as infections surge across the United States. Trump told reporters in the Oval Office he would deliver a briefing at 5 p.m. on Tuesday.

The only reason Biden shouldnt bait this camera hog into TV debates is the risk of his own verbal slapstick.

A billionaire doesn't really have to be smart or mentally stable to get something done. He just needs to say that he wants it and his money makes it happen for him.

― Dan I., Monday, July 20, 2020 11:56 AM bookmarkflaglink

Sure, and this is why said billionaire attempted to get 132,000 signatures in FL, even hiring a staffer and team to gather the signatures, only to say "fuck it" when he realized it was too difficult and let the deadline pass, and firing the staff he just hired

but think about how many temp jobs that created

I wouldn't be shocked if he only appears on buy-in states and a handful of other scattered states

Xpost lol KM

Neanderthal, I really appreciate the reality check you are giving here, but I think it could be forgiven for people to really be a little on edge about things happening that "shouldn't" happen. All it takes will be Ye getting on one ballot and siphoning just enough votes for either Trump to take said state, or enough for Trump to throw an absolute shitfit about "voter fraud" and make it another sticking point, both of which could 100% be avoided by, you know, him just not running at all.

There are so many things for us to worry about right now that I think it's perfectly reasonable to prioritize "Kanye West's Presidential run" at the bottom of the pile; for me, it's currently underneath "Getting An STI From A Toilet Seat"

I mean, that's pretty much what I would said about Trump after his announcement.

Not that I think Kanye has any chance at all to win or even make a dent, just that - best case - it's enough of a smokescreen that the media is going to lap up that it's yet another distraction from shit we should actually be dealing with.

turns out he submitted exactly zero signatures in south carolina: https://www.postandcourier.com/politics/kanye-west-fails-to-submit-petition-signatures-needed-to-get-on-sc-presidential-ballot/article_e1dd255e-caa1-11ea-b57d-437173ca8e9c.html

To jon: there was a time I couldn't imagine anything sadder and more unlikely than being a "Trump campaign volunteer" - yeah who would work for free for a rich assclown with no realistic electoral path?

A "West campaign volunteer" would seem pretty silly to me but given all the things that have happened....

All West has to do to potentially mess with Biden's chances is get on the ballot in WI and PA.

I mean, he appeared in one poll, and in that poll, he siphoned off Trump voters. This "Kanye will steal Biden voters" is theoretical and unproven.

I'm not telling anybody what to worry about cos lord knows I can't sleep at night myself

If Biden's lead is as gargantuan as every poll has suggested, there's not much damage Kanye can do.

This is bad, real bad, Michael Jackson

I'm not losing any sleep over Kanye, don't get me wrong, it's just not something that needed to happen at all, and only injects more chaos and uncertainty into an election that already has plenty of both.

My bigger concern, at the moment, is the "federal agents" the current president is sending to Chicago now.

President Trump on Monday said he will resume giving regular coronavirus briefings

Someone convinced him that his Tulsa rally and AZ campaign swing were disasters and his chances of holding big rallies in TX, FL, ID, and most other 'favorable' states any time soon were almost nil. So, it's back to more two hour of rambling self-praise in the Rose Garden. Should be good. Maybe he'll start throwing Trump Steaks and Trump Water to the reporters.

Trump, who held court at the briefings, often for more than an hour, shared the news with reporters during a morning event in the Oval Office.

“I was doing them, and we had a lot of people watching, record numbers watching in the history of cable television, and there’s never been anything like it,” Trump said.

...fuck this guy

BREAKING: Trump's Homeland Security Department is making plans to deploy about 150 agents in Chicago this week, with the scope of their duty unknown. @chicagotribune with @JeremyGorner https://t.co/jKASckt7hA

— Gregory Pratt (@royalpratt) July 20, 2020

fascisto

"I don't need invitations by the state, state mayors, or state governors to do our job. We're going to do that, whether they like us there or not.” — acting DHS Secretary Chad Wolf pic.twitter.com/Rr2P8q6Ut1

— Aaron Rupar (@atrupar) July 20, 2020

Chad Wolf has been taking lessons from Bill Barr.

Unfortunately, it looks like shit is going to get ugly in Chicago.

No lie, in the early morning hours after election night, when I finally fell asleep, I had a nightmare about tanks rolling into Chicago, sent by Trump, to "clean up the scummy Democrat run cities". No tanks, yet, but I hate how prescient that particular nightmare was.

Sorry, that was in response to caek saying "He's missed a bunch of deadlines."

― jaymc, Monday, July 20, 2020 11:56 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

true but he's also committing fairly open registration fraud afaict

just realized: this thread title sounds like a Killers album title.

this looks explicitly like overtures of fascist takeover attempts on major cities to try to bully the local government and populace. fed officials/state reps need to stand up about this immediately

it seems pretty obvious to me that Kanye running is (if anything) a good thing, anyone brokebrained enough to vote Kanye was gonna vote Trump anyway and the idea that black people were gonna pick him over Biden never seemed to be based on anything but his race

choice quote in this tribune story on the deployment:

One Immigration and Customs Enforcement official in Chicago, who asked not to be named because they were not authorized to speak on the matter, confirmed the deployment was expected to take place. The official noted that the HSI agents, who are part of ICE, would not be involved in immigration or deportation matters.

ICE are the mercenaries of trump's paramilitary movement

Abolish ICE.

it seems pretty obvious to me that Kanye running is (if anything) a good thing, anyone brokebrained enough to vote Kanye was gonna vote Trump anyway and the idea that black people were gonna pick him over Biden never seemed to be based on anything but his race

Even if Black people were thinking "well maybe...", having an event where he shat on Harriet Tubman's legacy took care of that concern.

Chicago is not Portland, not hopeful how this plays out.

i assume the real motivation here is to spur open warfare between feds and cities, create opportunities for full-on filmed firefights and on-camera murders to inflame racist/classist hatred, incite scared assholes to shoot from their porches and suppress the vote in the coming months.

Nixon was smart enough to pull that off. You give Trump and Barr too much credidt.

*credit

there is no way this thing is happening imo

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/20/florida-sheriff-gop-convention-security-373089

The sheriff of Jacksonville, Fla., said he can’t provide security for the Republican National Convention because of a lack of clear plans, adequate funding and enough law enforcement officers.

“As we're talking today, we are still not close to having some kind of plan that we can work with that makes me comfortable that we're going to keep that event and the community safe,” Duval County Sheriff Mike Williams told POLITICO.

“It’s not my event to plan, but I can just tell you that what has been proposed in my opinion is not achievable right now ... from a law enforcement standpoint, from a security standpoint.”

The controversy deals one of the biggest potential blows to Trump’s decision to hold an in-person nominating convention during a pandemic. The proposal has already been beset by concerns over safety and reports of high-profile Republicans declining to attend.

xp it doesn't take a lot of smarts to fall into a pile of shit, then respond by throwing it at anyone nearby and it doesn't take a strategic mastermind to distract someone while they're being mugged.

COVID is gonna likely keep schools closed at the same time that extended unemployment benefits are set to expire and campaigning starts in earnest. GOP hasn't a leg to stand on. DANGEROUS CITIES, DANGEROUS COLORED PEOPLE, LOCK UP YOUR CHILDREN has been the standard "in case of emergency" plan for these assholes since at least the beginning of mass media. The cops have made it clear they are going to stand down so that means private citizens have no recourse but self-defense and death. Gonna get worse before it gets better at this rate.

I'm not anticipating widespread street warfare quite yet. There have to be at least a few republican senators left who will refuse to embrace that much chaos on behalf of Dear Leader.

Trump is apparently going to resume daily covid (ie LAW AND ORDER) briefings.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/20/world/coronavirus-cases.html

President Trump said on Monday that he is bringing back the daily coronavirus briefings that he halted in April, a tacit acknowledgment that the public health crisis that he has sought to put behind him is still ravaging much of the country.

With cases and deaths on the rise, Mr. Trump told reporters that he would probably hold the first of the new series of briefings on Tuesday at 5 p.m. He attributed his decision to revive them not to the increasing threat of the virus but to the fact that the briefings had high television ratings.

He’s going to talk about statues isn’t he

President Trump said on Monday that he is bringing back the daily coronavirus briefings that he halted in April, a tacit acknowledgment that the public health crisis that he has sought to put behind him is still ravaging much of the country he is desperate for attention.

Nixon was smart enough to pull that off. You give Trump and Barr too much credidt.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, July 20, 2020 1:40 PM (thirty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I'm reminded of something David Shor said in that interview last week: "The real inflection point in our polling was the Lafayette Park incident, when Trump used tear gas on innocent people. That’s when support for Biden shot up."

When a majority of Americans already support the protests, heavy-handed efforts to suppress them backfire.

Which is to say, it's not just a matter of competency. Nixon tapped into a genuine silent majority. But the country done changed.

hahaha, Kasich as your point man for 'swing' voters; let's hope he doesnt pick him for veep

Chas Pierce:

"The only reason to give Kasich a speaking role, even at a bare-bones Democratic convention, is as a walking platitude to placate the bipartisan fetishists of the chattering class. It is great that Kasich wants to work against the president*’s re-election. He should do everything he can in that regard, while recognizing that he is owed nothing from a Democratic president or Congress for the effort. If someone can demonstrate the quantifiable political value of having this specific Republican give a speech at a Democratic convention, then I will lounge corrected. Until then, John Kasich can socially distance like the rest of us."

https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a33370126/joe-biden-john-kasich-dnc-moderate-strategy/

Pissed off Americans with a shit-ton of deadly weapons and nothing to lose. Plus, there are still concentration camps on the border

Everything will be totally fine!

War against citizens in reliably blue cities is a strategy that is all downside for Trump, which means he'll probably lean into it big time.

People need to chill out about the lineup for the convention. It’s virtual. No one will be watching. And no one remembers any of the speeches except the nominee and the vp and the nominees spouse and the empty chair. Kasich isn’t probably good for 500 votes in Ohio. Who gives a shit.

re: Kasich

Isn't having someone from the other party speak at the convention always considered a big "get" by political dopes? Zell Miller in '04, Lieberman in '08, Bloomberg (sorta) in 2016. Also, Ron Reagan Jr., I guess.