US Politics: July 2020 - "Denigrating this Luxury Avenue"

want to understand but don't understand your post table

You're saying it doesn't matter to poor people who gets elected president.

Of course it does on some level, as you pointed out. But that doesn't mean that poor people not might feel like it doesn't matter and want to lash out. Someone posted an article about middle/upper middle class African Americans (granted, not poor people) in one neighborhood in suburban Detroit and it was eye-opening their level cynicism about presidential politics. They had seen it all and basically felt that Biden getting elected wouldn't change a thing.

enjoyed reading that article but it seemed like a microscopic view

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdJSsyMUYAA5bZG.jpg

Anyone who saw what was happening in the week or two following George Floyd's murder and then was like "bUt rIoTS w0n'T WiN tHe sUburbs" may have been right, but they also need to shut the fuck up, because their statement discounts not only valid rage but also makes the rather shaky assumption that national elections will change much for many of the working poor, most of whom are Black (per capita) in the US.

I get where you're coming from, but as eephus pointed out, Shor was sharing a relevant study in his capacity as a political data analyst. Not that he did so from a point of pure neutrality (after all, he's interested in helping Democrats win), but he also wasn't making a moral statement or analyzing the efficacy of the movement on its own terms. It was a data point that he found worth considering for those involved in progressive electoral politics during this cycle. The problem is that he posted it on Twitter, which flattened the context.

I mean I can see where people are coming from with finding it crass or ill-timed or reductive or whatver, but I was surprised that a DNC-friendly moderate thinktank fired him for it, and the fact that he's under an NDA makes me think the tweet is not the whole story.

everyone who tweets should be fired imo

otm

the fact that he's under an NDA makes me think the tweet is not the whole story.

I think you are probably right about this.

Officers appeared near the federal courthouse around 10:40 p.m. and deployed tear gas. It was unclear whether they were federal officers or Portland police.

Soon after, officers retreated into the courthouse building and protestors began barricading the doors of the building again. Some began flooding the courthouse steps, banging on the doors as they barricaded them.

A reporter from The Portland Tribune posted a social media video of federal officers striking a protester repeatedly with a baton and spraying pepper spray in his face. The protester did not seem to engage with the officers in any way and stood still as he was hit.

Close to midnight, some protesters began throwing firecrackers at the courthouse. They continued to barricade the doors of the federal courthouse.

By 12:30 a.m., demonstrators had largely abandoned the federal courthouse, instead holding a rally in the intersection of Southwest Third Avenue and Main Street, where people were giving speeches from the bed of a truck.

https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/07/saturday-evening-protests-planned-at-holladay-and-peninsula-parks.html

If only!

WASHINGTON — During a campaign-style speech this week in the White House Rose Garden, President Donald Trump lamented that his efforts to turn Joe Biden’s son into a political vulnerability for the Democrat had flopped.

“But Hunter — where’s Hunter?” Trump said, referencing the younger Biden’s lucrative position on the board of a Ukrainian gas company while his father was vice president. “And you all know about Burisma, but nothing happens. Nobody cares.”

It’s one of many punches by Trump that have failed to land on his Democratic rival. He has called him “sleepy Joe” and derided him as too tired and unfit to do the job. He has mocked him for a steady stream of verbal stumbles. He has painted him as a tool of China. He has linked him to a “defund the police” movement that Biden has rejected. None of it is sticking.

As a result, the president and his allies have settled on a different strategy: Paint Biden as an empty vessel for socialist radicals to exploit. Trump’s new campaign manager Bill Stepien said Tuesday, “We will expose Joe Biden as a hapless tool of the extreme left.”

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/unable-land-hits-biden-trump-paints-him-socialist-trojan-horse-n1234241

Can I vote for him?

As always, “You all know about xxxx, but nothing happens, nobody cares” - the continuing sad truth of the Trump experiment - is the thing they try to weaponize against their opponent.

“An empty vessel to exploit.”

Apparently he spent a significant portion of today's Fox News Sunday interview (fuck you, I ain't watching that shit) talking about how difficult the cognitive test he took was, as though it's the fucking SAT and not a test to see whether or not you have brain damage.

This is a back and forth that actually happened. pic.twitter.com/irfUpHJjzb

— Zeke Miller (@ZekeJMiller) July 19, 2020

Race relations comes in third (10%)... Crime? Well crime is at just 1%... Also of note, more voters said Trump say Trump isn't mentally sound enough to serve as prez effectively (51%) than say the same for Biden (39%). 2/3

— (((Harry Enten))) (@ForecasterEnten) July 19, 2020

We’re 30 years out from the Reagan crime peak, where do they think they’re gonna find voters for whom “crime” is a presidential campaign issue

Probably get more votes for Crime and the City Solution.

I'm glad that it's only polling at 1% because if you survey only nextdoor respondents, every street is on fire and homes are being pillaged left and right, and you're likely to be shot to death in a robbery the minute you leave your house.

Nextdoor Naxis are a real problem but I don’t think even they consider crime to be a presidential issue

want to understand but don't understand your post table

― Dan S, Saturday, July 18, 2020 6:57 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

IMHO, anything that does the work of invalidating the disenfranchised's expression of rage at an unjust system because that rage scares more well-off, mostly white people is implying that more liberal or left-wing electoral loss can be blamed on riots rather than blamed on the shitty politics of suburban people. The view, then, casts the disenfranchised as their own enemy for daring to express rage, rather than place the blame on the inherently conservative, reactionary politics of suburban white women with regional manager husbands. It reinforces a cycle of shifting blame onto the poor for being poor.

And that shifting of blame is a method of social control.

I didn't used to think this but now I do: it's really important that Trump get crushed by a huge popular vote margin. The safe state arguments don't hold now. He must be humiliated.

— Doug Henwood (@DougHenwood) July 18, 2020

dr morbius... welcome to the resistance

Doug Henwood otm

oh youve got a ways to go on me....

(what pct of the voting populace do you think knows Trump lost the popular vote in '16? surely less than half)

Doug Henning otm.
https://doughenningproject.files.wordpress.com/2017/04/cropped-doug1.jpg?w=200

i meant to post this one... Some of the replies are funny.

Big if true: Trump says a Biden victory would mean the end of religion!

— Doug Henwood (@DougHenwood) July 19, 2020

i meant to post this one... Some of the replies are funny.

Big if true: Trump says a Biden victory would mean the end of religion!

— Doug Henwood (@DougHenwood) July 19, 2020

Rage-o-centric popular political theory 🤔

welcome to 2020 polling, where the two presumed candidates running for president of the united states of america are respectively negatively polling at 51% and 39%, not with their awareness of issues domestic or abroad, moral stance or even their general fitness for the position, but for their ability to SPEAK COHERENTLY ON CAMERA FOR TEN MINUTES

This is really our fault for cheering on teens who talked an elderly guy into running for president so they could run his twittter account

Kanye criticizing Tubman and ranting about other things yesterday, but I thought he's said a week or two back he actually wasn't running? (yes I know, not that it matters because he won't be on the ballot anywhere anyway)

Apparently one of his misinformed(?) spokespeople said he wasn't running, but that got walked back.

Why would you think he won't be on the ballot anywhere?

He's already on the ballot in Oklahoma.

Why would you think he won't be on the ballot anywhere?

obviously, i mean oklahoma is key to the kanye electoral map, absolutely essential to win if he has a path

Ah I misunderstood the q. He will be on the ballot in >0 states

Colorado requires $1000, deadline 8/5
Georgia requires 5250 signatures, deadline 8/14
Iowa requires 1500 signatures, deadline 8/14
Minnesota requires 2000 signatures, deadline 8/18
Missouri requires 1000 signatures, deadline 7/27
Nevada requires 9608 signatures, deadline 8/14
New Hampshire requires 3000 signatures, deadline 9/2
Ohio requires 5000 signatures, deadline 8/5
Pennsylvania requires 5000 signatures, deadline 8/3
Virginia requires 5000 signatures, deadline 8/21
Wisconsin requires 2000 signatures, deadline 8/4

Not as many as you'd think based on the reporting. He's been scrambling to get on the ballot in the states with deadlines this month, but he's still eligible in 40+ states.

Sorry, that was in response to caek saying "He's missed a bunch of deadlines."

A billionaire doesn't really have to be smart or mentally stable to get something done. He just needs to say that he wants it and his money makes it happen for him.

wait, did someone say someone with lots of money wants something to happen???

*runs toward the loudest noise, stomping all over whatever is in the way*

This really is just the worst motherfucking timeline.

where do they think they’re gonna find voters for whom “crime” is a presidential campaign issue

There are millions and millions of people who think "crime" (by which they mean mugging, rape, and home invasion, not tax fraud, wage theft, and public corruption) are at all-time highs even though the rate is half what it was within their lifetimes.

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Sure they ought to be able to range without blame being placed on them for it.
And then watch what that leads to in election results. Unfortunately elections are decided by emotional reactions, not true justified morality.

rage, not range

Are we really going to get into the semantics of what a fuckin' "bunch" is again?

10 states is a "bunch" of states, and Oklahoma is one state where you can buy your way onto the ballot, of which there are only 3. He's trying to gather the signatures for South Carolina right now, but there are already problems where he listed places people could supply their signatures, only for people at those locations to have no idea what Ye was talking about.

He's also directing people to Docusign even though it's unclear if SC allows DocuSign to count as signatures.

It's pretty obvious that his "ground game" is disjointed and he will likely fail to get needed signatures by the deadlines in many other states.