love* in the time of plague (and by love* i mean brexit* and other dreary matters of uk politics)

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Inherited his father's name and connections etc

Mark G, Friday, 17 July 2020 06:45 (three years ago) link

wow this Dimbledore the younger provokes a new level of hatred in me, they were a horrible dynasty and just as they seemed to be fading away into infirmity this little creepy anobiinae crawls out of the very fine antique woodwork!

calzino, Friday, 17 July 2020 08:02 (three years ago) link

The other well-known junior Dimble, Henry, is part owner of Leon and is to be encouraged or at least not slicey boid for not going into news.

santa clause four (suzy), Friday, 17 July 2020 08:09 (three years ago) link

Also:

pic.twitter.com/i6zVUzWonQ

— Cold War Steve (@Coldwar_Steve) July 16, 2020

santa clause four (suzy), Friday, 17 July 2020 08:36 (three years ago) link

This 'commitment to free speech' includes government stipulations on what universities will not be allowed to teach https://t.co/3zw3vZvbcE

— Nick Srnicek (@n_srnck) July 16, 2020

what an incredibly warped version of free speech, if you stop teaching stuff we don't like and give platforms to hate-speech merchants then we won't bankrupt your university.

calzino, Friday, 17 July 2020 09:06 (three years ago) link

I'm suspicious about this...

Yesterday two Oxford University statisticians published an alarming article which said there was a serious flaw in the way Public Health England has been recording coronavirus deaths: they say that PHE has been recording the deaths of anyone who has previously tested positive for coronavirus as a coronavirus death.

Yoon K Loke and Carl Heneghan wrote:

By this PHE definition, no one with Covid in England is allowed to ever recover from their illness. A patient who has tested positive, but successfully treated and discharged from hospital, will still be counted as a Covid death even if they had a heart attack or were run over by a bus three months later.

If this is correct, it may mean that the number of coronavirus deaths in England has been significantly overestimated.

...partly because the duo writing 'no one is allowed to ever recover' in that way, plus tossing out 'run over by a bus' as if a common cause of death feels distinctly agenda'd.

nashwan, Friday, 17 July 2020 09:15 (three years ago) link

Williamson said an institution’s free speech policies would be included in any decision. Student unions would be required to focus on “serving the needs of the wider student population rather than subsidising niche activism and campaigns,” he said.

This is bananas. Student Unions are independent of universities, as Williams presumably knows.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Friday, 17 July 2020 09:43 (three years ago) link

*Williamson

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Friday, 17 July 2020 09:43 (three years ago) link

“We need a future [higher education] sector which delivers the skills the country needs: universities should ensure courses are consistently high quality and focus more heavily upon subjects which deliver strong graduate employment outcomes in areas of economic and societal importance, such as Stem, nursing and teaching,” Williamson said.

as well as closing courses with low graduate pay,

Uh huh.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Friday, 17 July 2020 09:46 (three years ago) link

tbh once the immediate rage dissipates there's some fun in seeing which Cabinet minister contradicts themselves the soonest on a daily basis

nashwan, Friday, 17 July 2020 09:53 (three years ago) link

Williamsons eh? Who needs 'em?

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 17 July 2020 10:04 (three years ago) link

Political editor of the Standard being so angry at PHE not the government he voted for

PHE say there is no WHO time limit to when covid should be counted as a factor.

But Scotland count things differently.

What infuriates me is that we, the public, were not given this information by PHE to make up our own minds with the facts.

— Joe Murphy (@JoeMurphyLondon) July 17, 2020

because he wants to "make his own mind up" with the facts

nashwan, Friday, 17 July 2020 10:23 (three years ago) link

BJ: "an ambition to return to total normality from November, "possibly in time for Christmas".

Because the virus will just go away, you'll see, it'll just go away

stet, Friday, 17 July 2020 10:27 (three years ago) link

They know they're fucked if people can't do Christmas properly. People will sacrifice a foreign holiday but I'm not sure they will be forgiven if the public can't spend Christmas with their families or go out properly in the run up.

Question is whether it's possible to beat the virus down to a low enough level by then and no one knows that.

Matt DC, Friday, 17 July 2020 10:39 (three years ago) link

and what the consequences of a "normal" christmas will be in terms of carnage in January.

stet, Friday, 17 July 2020 10:46 (three years ago) link

your search "gavin williamson sitting in a wheelbarrow holding an owl while a forest is being chopped down behind him" found 1 result:

https://www.expressandstar.com/resizer/eKdEVxIyUVk02-ZXFcPiesZ61gg=/1000x0/filters:quality(100)/arc-anglerfish-arc2-prod-expressandstar-mna.s3.amazonaws.com/public/ATNCPSBOVVFPXA4ECK5TQJ3DOE.jpg

Boris the Spreader (NickB), Friday, 17 July 2020 10:46 (three years ago) link

feels like November is the most optimistic possible date SAGE would be pushed to and they're trying to make it the base case

stet, Friday, 17 July 2020 10:46 (three years ago) link

Man I just realised the Christmas ads this year are going to set a new standard for mawkishness.

Matt DC, Friday, 17 July 2020 10:48 (three years ago) link

If this is correct, it may mean that the number of coronavirus deaths in England has been significantly overestimated.

Absolute bollocks, surely? Considering that the death figures (all causes) in England and Wales throughout April and May was *way* above the figure you'd get from adding the historical seasonal average to the official Covid-19 death toll. So the impact of the virus (direct or indirect) was being underestimated.

People keep trying to pick holes in these figures like it's all being inflated for some shady purpose. In the UK there was a massive spike in death certifications for the six weeks up to Easter, like you just wouldn't see outside of... I dunno, 1950s smog? Wartime? And then it rapidly came down because we all stayed at home. "Ah, but it was never that bad" is not an angle I have much time for.

Michael Jones, Friday, 17 July 2020 10:57 (three years ago) link

My dentist still hasn't opened for appointments. I had a filling cancelled in April. I call once a week. They say 'try in a few weeks.' Their explanation is that they still haven't received guidance from the government.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Friday, 17 July 2020 10:58 (three years ago) link

People must have been imagining all those funerals I guess.

scampos mentis (gyac), Friday, 17 July 2020 10:59 (three years ago) link

We also don't know about how those deaths are recorded if the person dies of a lung condition, or a stroke, or something else that potentially has its roots in a covid case from months before.

Looking at the 'significant normality' plan, the big one appears to be the proposal to have sporting crowds back from October. Thousands of people piling onto the train to the ground is hugely dangerous if the level of infection isn't lower in all parts of the country. Otherwise you're looking at a super-spreading event every time Leicester or Blackburn play either away or at home.

Matt DC, Friday, 17 July 2020 11:01 (three years ago) link

Oh good.

BREAKING: PM lifts lockdown further in England...

🚌 Anybody can use public transport from today

👔 From 1st August instead of govt telling people to work from home, it'll be up to employers to decide how best staff can work safely

🎳Bowling, skating rinks, casinos to reopen

— Paul Brand (@PaulBrandITV) July 17, 2020

scampos mentis (gyac), Friday, 17 July 2020 11:02 (three years ago) link

not returning to normal until i see pictures of the queen necking a pint in a crowded pub

Boris the Spreader (NickB), Friday, 17 July 2020 11:10 (three years ago) link

to my surprise my stepdad has decided not to go back to the pubs so far, the casino though - or the funhouse as he would have it - he'll be back there in a shot.

calzino, Friday, 17 July 2020 11:14 (three years ago) link

My dentist still hasn't opened for appointments. I had a filling cancelled in April. I call once a week. They say 'try in a few weeks.' Their explanation is that they still haven't received guidance from the government.

Jesus, don't remind me, I had toothache earlier in the week and was dreading having to go to the dentist - but the pain's disappeared now.

The Fields o' Fat Henry (Tom D.), Friday, 17 July 2020 11:15 (three years ago) link

employers are not going to react how the government wants, I don't think. You don't volunteer to have your staff get sick in order to help save Pret ffs

stet, Friday, 17 July 2020 11:18 (three years ago) link

People keep trying to pick holes in these figures like it's all being inflated for some shady purpose.

Press encouraging it all the way and I've already had relatives falling for it.

Hancock literally announcing an urgent enquiry because of a report from Oxford that hasn't yet been peer-reviewed and seems full of dogwhistle political bias.

nashwan, Friday, 17 July 2020 11:18 (three years ago) link

I thought the ONS higher than usual recorded death figures for the Rona spike suggested our official figures are too low if anything? I mean fuck this bullshit anyway, it reeks!

calzino, Friday, 17 July 2020 11:21 (three years ago) link

employers are not going to react how the government wants, I don't think. You don't volunteer to have your staff get sick in order to help save Pret ffs


Definitely not, more workplaces happy with current arrangements based on purely anecdotal evidence - even mine which has historically been strongly opposed to wfh.

scampos mentis (gyac), Friday, 17 July 2020 11:24 (three years ago) link

I've had lot of first hand discussions about this stuff and overwhelmingly they're saying they're not going to make anyone go in if they're not comfortable, certainly not before 2021. That might be different in boiler room call centre environments but in general WFH seems to be working fine regardless of how challenged the businesses themselves are. It's certainly less disruptive than having a virus raging round the office.

Matt DC, Friday, 17 July 2020 11:32 (three years ago) link

To give an anecdote from the other side, an acquaintance who works in hedge fund management (obv would never call someone who does so a friend) has had his boss freak out about people not wanting to go back in the office for months already - they never actually shut down and always had a few ppl in, including ppl who had the virus.

nb this is the same boss who made a Brexit Day cake w/ a giant UK flag surrounded by tiny little flags of the countries that all the employees come from and thought that was a nice gesture

Daniel_Rf, Friday, 17 July 2020 11:54 (three years ago) link

The biggest problem for call centres - that i guess would also extend to some finance stuff - is that, aiui, you can't have people working from home handling customer payment information. Again, with India - where BPOs are a major part of the economy, the approach has been that you can't legally have more than one employee in every three in the office.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Friday, 17 July 2020 14:25 (three years ago) link

Actually, on that subject, i've heard anecdotally that there are a few US businesses looking to move call centres back onshore as there's less chance of government-mandated closures but idk how common that is or whether it also applies to the UK.

Scampo di tutti i Scampi (ShariVari), Friday, 17 July 2020 15:45 (three years ago) link

pic.twitter.com/ddL19HWkfh

— Simon Hedges (@Orwell_Fan) July 17, 2020

calzino, Friday, 17 July 2020 16:56 (three years ago) link

Watching the making of the Olympic 2012 opening ceremony and I have weeped 6 times already. I love my country very much.

— Jess Phillips MP (@jessphillips) July 17, 2020


damn! in reply to this:

calzino, Friday, 17 July 2020 16:57 (three years ago) link

i went to take the piss and the next tweet under Phillips agreeing with her was Lloyd R-M so fuck both of them

À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 July 2020 16:59 (three years ago) link

"progressive patriotism" lol what a wanker!

calzino, Friday, 17 July 2020 17:02 (three years ago) link

with friends like this i don't need any friends

calzino, Friday, 17 July 2020 17:04 (three years ago) link

xxp my employer is working with several call centres which are operating with staff all working from home. I think it takes a bit of set-up but basically people can tap in card/account numbers on their phone rather than reading them out, and the details are never accessed/handled by staff.

crisp, Friday, 17 July 2020 17:06 (three years ago) link

It’s mad how a sporting event opening ceremony is something which purely exists for us to take the piss out of and have commentators make snide remarks about, until we host one and it’s a fucking sacred moment in history to weep about for millennia

crisp, Friday, 17 July 2020 17:09 (three years ago) link

What a truly embarrassing country

crisp, Friday, 17 July 2020 17:10 (three years ago) link

God I loved the con dem coalition days. The Olympic ceremony, the 2011 riots, it was just an optimistic time for this great country. What went wrong?

Rishi don’t lose my voucher (wins), Friday, 17 July 2020 17:13 (three years ago) link

progressive patriotism = making a cup of tea for people before you deport them iirc

À la recherche du scamps perdu (Noodle Vague), Friday, 17 July 2020 17:15 (three years ago) link

xp as ever, blame for this tragedy lies with Jreyme Conryb

scampos mentis (gyac), Friday, 17 July 2020 17:16 (three years ago) link

it happened in that golden era when Tories were still nice and only killing hundreds of disabled ppl rather than thousands and Yvette Cooper was attacking Hostile Environment for being too damn soft, a time of gentler and more civil political discourse.

calzino, Friday, 17 July 2020 17:19 (three years ago) link

why do these people hate populism so much when their entire political strategy is racism and flags

"It'll be fine by Christmas," seems such an odd promise in the context of reports that a second spike might lead to 120 000 deaths. Still, I was slightly anticipating a slightly more ridiculous press conference (along the lines of "you actually all can go back to work").

djh, Friday, 17 July 2020 18:57 (three years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EdJ08DHWAAE8aBU?format=jpg&name=large

I'm starting to think that post might have been misunderstood sarcasm, because Phillips was apparently scheming for him to have his whip removed?

calzino, Friday, 17 July 2020 20:59 (three years ago) link

No, that’s another Phillips - Euan, who made hundreds of antisemitism complaints and is discussed in the leaked report.

santa clause four (suzy), Friday, 17 July 2020 21:22 (three years ago) link


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