Hendrix famously used the Octavia fuzz/octave pedal
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 15:26 (three years ago) link
Here's a clip of Wilco with really trad sounding country licks on an SG
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5QCeSS03RE'
Huh, that's not a bad country sound for an SG!
When did a lot of the most common effects pedals become available? Early to mid 70s? I know late '60s had the wah, fuzz, phaser/univibe ...
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 15:37 (three years ago) link
jimi had a univibe too on stuff like little wing
― Boris the Spreader (NickB), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 15:39 (three years ago) link
a lot of the certain guitars = certain styles stuff comes down to influence and visual aesthetics rather than sound
― na (NA), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 15:39 (three years ago) link
Sure, but to my mind the main question is whether it's humbuckers or, like, a P-90 in the SG. I can't tell from that Wilco clip.
Country lead parts require twang by tradition, but it's not just twang, is it? Generally there's already a lot of midrange in the mix of a country arrangement, so a single-coil sound is most appropriate because it will cut more surgically, and introduce less extra midrange / bass / overtones.
For a while I had an Epi LP and an Epi 339 with coil-splitting. Even with the split switch on, the tone still sounded way too thick to me, lacking in bite. So I gravitated back to Fenders and will never go back.
― Blursday the Vagueteenth of Whenember (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 15:42 (three years ago) link
looks like an sg junior with one p-90 in the bridge
― call all destroyer, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 15:53 (three years ago) link
Or think of the Rickenbacker. The Rick is immediately associated with jangle, a la Byrds, REM, Tom Petty, etc.
I bought a Rickenbacker 330 for that reason, and discovered that jangle actually wasn't what I was looking for. A process of elimination eventually lead me to Gretsch semi-acoustics and the realisation that the sound I could hear in my head was chime, which a Country Gentleman or the like has in spades. (Maybe the Gibson 335 can do it too?)But damn, that fireglo 330 sure looked good hanging on my wall.
― Soz (Not Soz) (Vast Halo), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 17:43 (three years ago) link
Gretsch guitars rule on the whole
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 18:11 (three years ago) link
jut got an epiphone 335 after many years of only playing a tele. love the thicker sound and occasional feedback from the semi-hollow body but it feels heavier and more complicated for my simple mind
― tobo73, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 20:57 (three years ago) link
I want a hollow body because.
Can you get thicker sound from a Tele twiddling knobs on your amp or is the extra really from the hollow?
― Ira Einhorn (dandydonweiner), Thursday, 16 July 2020 02:19 (three years ago) link
Humbucker pickups I would think the big difference.
― earlnash, Thursday, 16 July 2020 03:46 (three years ago) link
I reckon a P90 or two would get a solidbody into semi-hollow territory - there's just something more vocal about them. Same with Jazzmaster pickups (which of course were intended to put a solidbody into semi-hollow territory).
― assert (MatthewK), Thursday, 16 July 2020 06:22 (three years ago) link
"Thicker sound from a Tele" is a puzzling phrase to me, because for me the whole point of having a Tele is to be nonthick; when I want thickness I use a different guitar.
I would characterize my hollow Tele as airier, not really thicker.
But I think you could get thickness with chorus or reverb plus some tone-knob adjustment (like, treble on 3, mid 5, bass 7).
― the word "restaurateur" doesn't have an n in it (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 16 July 2020 10:22 (three years ago) link
My first guitar is (was?) a black maple neck 1998 Mexican tele and I got a weird urge for a blonde one with a black pickguard a few years ago (too much Springsteen and Prince, even neither actually played an actual telecaster) while also getting obsessed with the Telecaster Deluxe.
I ended up getting an unfinished ash body from guitar fetish for like $70 and a batch of blonde wudtone finish and transplanting the rest of parts. Then I bought a tele deluxe neck, a hardtail strat bridge, matt pike humbuckers, and all the other knobs and pots and switches and routed the black telecaster body out and built it into a deluxe. Both turned out pretty well but the deluxe feels nothing like a regular tele due to a giant flat neck.
As a covid lockdown project I recently put a P90 in the tele neck with new pots and a five way superswitch for series/parallel/out-of-phase options and I can't think of anything I'd want to change about either of them now, other than the Deluxe weighing a ton despite routing a out a shitload of wood because the pickups are like bricks.
― joygoat, Thursday, 16 July 2020 21:28 (three years ago) link
Prince played a Korean Tele, right? And Springsteen's was an Esquire body with a Strat neck, iirc. Which actually sounds kind of appealing, because I love my Strat's neck more than my Tele's, but like the bridge, knobs, etc. of the Tele.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 July 2020 21:53 (three years ago) link
Prince's was a Hohner Mad Cat
― joygoat, Thursday, 16 July 2020 22:00 (three years ago) link
Interesting:
Hello I am a Moridaira collector. Moridaira is the original manufacturer of the Mad Cat Guitar. It was made with three different names.1. H.S. Anderson 1974 to 1986 and in 2011 Reissue2. Hohner 1978/ 1979 These are the rarest of the rare. I have searched for two years and so far NONE have been on the market. NONE. If it says Hohner then chances are you have a reproduction, or reissue, or just a fake. the real ones will have the Hohner logo in Rainbow writing, with block letters, it will also have the serial number stamped in the back of the peg head ending in 791. So far in my search the only owner of one of these is Prince. I do believe in 1985 Honer had a reissue made by moridaira, but only the one with the telecaster peg head, and a smooth plain chrome neck plate. If your neck plate is thick and says Hohner Professional it was made in Korea by the Samick factory. Almost all Prince, and Prinz guitars were made in Korea. The Six Killer Guitar is made in China. and sold by aliexpress.com The HS Benton is Chinese as well. If it has a 3/4″ mahogany strip it was made in China.3. The Bill Lawrence 1980-1983 These are Made by Moridaira these are REAL Mad Cat Guitars. These are not Reissues, or copys. These were made from Mad Cat Bodys and necks. Using the original stock. These have the original celluloid. and are 100% The REAL THING. Using Bill Lawrence Pickups. In 1984 The Moridaira company Stopped using the “Bill Lawrence” Name and Changed it to Bill’s Brothers. These were made in Japan in 1984 and 1985. In 1986 Bill’s Brothers were made in Korea.
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 July 2020 22:05 (three years ago) link
springstein's is a tele body with a squire neck
― Temporary Erogenous Zone (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 16 July 2020 22:06 (three years ago) link
Actually, we need to split the difference. It's a Tele body and an Esquire neck:
On page 185 of his new memoir, Bruce Springsteen pays brief but heartfelt homage to his oldest musical collaborator: his old Fender electric guitar. “I strapped on my new guitar, a 1950s mutt with a Telecaster body and an Esquire neck, I’d purchased at Phil Petillo’s guitar shop for one hundred and eighty five dollars. With its wood body worn in like the piece of the cross that it was, it became the guitar that I’d play for the next 40 years. It was the best deal of my life.”
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 July 2020 22:08 (three years ago) link
oh yeah I think I mean that although honestly I can't tell from necks on guitars if I'm honest
I really love that tele body on springsteen's guitar
― Temporary Erogenous Zone (jim in vancouver), Thursday, 16 July 2020 22:09 (three years ago) link
Can you get thicker sound from a Tele twiddling knobs on your amp or is the extra really from the hollow?― Ira Einhorn (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, July 15, 2020 7:19 PM (yesterdayHumbucker pickups I would think the big difference.― earlnash, Wednesday, July 15, 2020 8:46 PM (yesterday)
― Ira Einhorn (dandydonweiner), Wednesday, July 15, 2020 7:19 PM (yesterday
― earlnash, Wednesday, July 15, 2020 8:46 PM (yesterday)
Throughout the Spacemen 3 years, Jason Pierce was using an early-80s Telecaster w/standard single-coils and then a couple years into Spiritualized switched to '72-style Telecaster Thinlines with the WR humbuckers which he's been using ever since. Whether it's the solid-state H+H amp he had in SP3, an AC30, or a backline rental Marshall - to my ears, his guitar sound has mostly been the same for decades.
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 16 July 2020 23:30 (three years ago) link
I guess my point is that so much of this comes down to the player. I understand Townshend's point about choosing the amps first and working backwards from there.
― Elvis Telecom, Thursday, 16 July 2020 23:36 (three years ago) link
WRHBs were also deliberately voiced to sound like single coils - so the Tele Thinline WRHB sound is not at all the same as a 335 semi hollow with PAFs.
― assert (MatthewK), Thursday, 16 July 2020 23:59 (three years ago) link
for Paul Weller in the Jam, and so on. And some of the best tones are all done in-amp anyway.
― Montgomery Burns' Jazz (Tarfumes The Escape Goat), Friday, 17 July 2020 00:14 (three years ago) link
So he was Geddy Lee avant la lettre?
― the word "restaurateur" doesn't have an n in it (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 17 July 2020 00:48 (three years ago) link
i've been playing my strat for the past couple days. stock "classic player" (american pickups, mexican assembly) from the mid-2000s. this is not news but strats are really beautifully designed guitars, like if the tele is the perfect utilitarian design the strat is the perfect elevated design. when i got it i was playing rhythm guitar in a cover band and needed something that would really cut and contrast with the other guitarist. i would always want to have a strat around.
my tele is one of those thinline reissues with the WRHBs. it's my first "good" electric from my teen years and i'd never get rid of it but it's also never exactly been what i wanted. sometimes i daydream about getting or making a very early-spec tele with a massive neck that's set up for insane twang.
― call all destroyer, Friday, 17 July 2020 00:59 (three years ago) link
There's a lot of arguing over whether the reissue WRHBs are "authentic" enough to the old sound but I suspect that it just needs the right amp to match up with.
My quarantine project is a parts-Jazzmaster - different thread, but I'm completely out of my mind in settling in on a spec.
― Elvis Telecom, Friday, 17 July 2020 01:16 (three years ago) link
https://www.tdpri.com/attachments/esquire3-wayarlo-jpg.430886/
This a neat trick on a Telecaster.
― earlnash, Friday, 17 July 2020 01:20 (three years ago) link
I got this option on a guitar with a push pull on the volume knob.
― earlnash, Friday, 17 July 2020 01:21 (three years ago) link
xposty Johnny Marr is another full-on guitar nerd who nonetheless used a solid state amp, for his formative Smiths stuff. I think the Roland Jazz Chorus-120? According to Wiki that was the guitar amp of choice for Metallica, too, for a while. Fwiw, ZZ Top is another band that famously used dummy amps while actually miking overdriven little vintage amps. I suspect a lot of bands did that, too.
― Josh in Chicago, Friday, 17 July 2020 02:14 (three years ago) link
I do love a JC-120. My college weird jazz band ran almost everything through a Jc-120 - bagpipes, harmonica, recorder, clarinet.
The guitar player in my current band has one he wants to sell. I would buy it except it is way too much amp for my needs. If it were a JC-90, I would be all over that shiznit.
― the word "restaurateur" doesn't have an n in it (Ye Mad Puffin), Friday, 17 July 2020 02:22 (three years ago) link
Robert Smith in The Cure’s heyday, too. (Now some Line 6 bullshit to go with his Guitar Hero custom axe.)
― assert (MatthewK), Friday, 17 July 2020 03:14 (three years ago) link
oooh fuck me been on this thread a bunch then this has to pop up on Craigslist
https://minneapolis.craigslist.org/dak/msg/d/shakopee-zane-custom-build-usa-tele/7151108141.html
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 17 July 2020 14:34 (three years ago) link
― Josh in Chicago, Thursday, July 16, 2020 9:14 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
I think the empty cabs thing was very common in the 80s metal era
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 17 July 2020 14:36 (three years ago) link
oooh fuck me been on this thread a bunch then this has to pop up on Craigslisthttps://minneapolis.craigslist.org/dak/msg/d/shakopee-zane-custom-build-usa-tele/7151108141.html🕸
― scampo, foggy and clegg (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 17 July 2020 14:59 (three years ago) link
I know! I have no business buying it but....the question is...can I afford NOT to???
plus if you look at the body it's got Strat style contours on the back which is best of both worlds
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 17 July 2020 15:31 (three years ago) link
nice-looking guitar. not that it matters much buying used, but sounds like this company went down in flames with a bunch of fraud accusations? https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?posts/26938777/
― call all destroyer, Friday, 17 July 2020 15:40 (three years ago) link
hmmm yeah that sounds shady, lots of that in the boutique guitar/pedal world unfortunately
i guess used i feel like this guy's be playing it on the regular and most of anything that could be wonky could be fixed by a good setup at a luthier
why am i talking myself into this???? i have three guitars i'm not doing anything with
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 17 July 2020 16:14 (three years ago) link
lol same and i do this all the time
― call all destroyer, Friday, 17 July 2020 17:07 (three years ago) link
I mean even a real (non licensed) Bigsby like it's got is probably $300 installed
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 17 July 2020 17:27 (three years ago) link
Saddles look like they are all pushed back to their limits as is the bridge, makes me wonder if the bridge is misulocated
― assert (MatthewK), Friday, 17 July 2020 21:08 (three years ago) link
it says right there it ‘plays like butter’ tho, you’re not allowed to say stuff like that on craigslist if it’s not true
― scampo, foggy and clegg (bizarro gazzara), Friday, 17 July 2020 21:10 (three years ago) link
the ja-90 tele is a sweet guitar imo:
https://shop.fender.com/en-US/electric-guitars/telecaster/jim-adkins-ja-90-telecaster-thinline/product-026235.html
ive got a prototype of the original translucent black one. mines got block inlays and the f-hole is in a different spot.
― Spottie, Friday, 17 July 2020 21:58 (three years ago) link
*mislocated, I'm very tired sorry
― assert (MatthewK), Friday, 17 July 2020 22:52 (three years ago) link
i get kind of bothered when like that one spottie posted or this onehttps://shop.fender.com/en-US/electric-series/artist/guitars/jim-root-telecaster/0134444780.html
when they just put humbuckers in a telecaster. i don't get the point if it doesn't have the plate and bridge pickup
otherwise why not just get like a charvel super strat w/two humbuckers it's going to be more comfortable to play and a tele isn't a tele w/two hi gain humbuckers imo
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 3 December 2020 20:47 (three years ago) link
never got the sense that the guys in slipknot were concerned with comfort while playing
― call all destroyer, Thursday, 3 December 2020 20:50 (three years ago) link
When I saw Slint on their first reunion tour in 2005 iirc Pajo & whomever was playing Brian's parts (his brother I think?) both guitars had similar EMG pickups on their teles.
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 3 December 2020 21:17 (three years ago) link
Dang, I forgot they had ebay'd them after the tour:
doodz, yoo know yoo want da slintguitar
― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Thursday, 3 December 2020 21:19 (three years ago) link
m@tt how do you feel about a tele deluxe?
also a lot of the new teles have the belly cut, like that jim root one. super comfortable to play, actually. i think some people just love the tele look but want to play heavy stuff on it, and they want the fender logo vs the charvel logo.
purists agree with you tho.
― Spottie, Thursday, 3 December 2020 21:24 (three years ago) link