Mostly Apolitical Thread for Discussing/Venting our Rational/Irrational COVID-19 Fears and Experiences in 2020

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> person whose meeting it is can mute him

he was running the meeting!

koogs, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 13:07 (three years ago) link

One of the benefits of google meet is that anyone can mute anyone.

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 13:13 (three years ago) link

problem is, it always goes like this in my meetings

(someone breathing heavily, eating potato chips, having private convo)

"Put yourselves on mute, plz"

(person continues to sound like they're humping the fridge)

"mute, please"

(noise continues)

"ok, fuck it" (I mute them)

~20 minutes later, they type to me in chat "I"m trying to talk, but you can't hear me!!!"~

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 13:23 (three years ago) link

this is WebEx tho, we're moving to Microsoft Teams now.

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 13:23 (three years ago) link

My mother in law got that brain swab and described it as one of the most unpleasant experiences she's ever had. But my wife's drive-thru experience here was the same as ledge. Drive up, they drop a kit through the window, you swab the entry of your nose (not a deep brain probe), put everything back in the baggie and drop it in the bin. She got her results back really fast. Speaking of waits, she got an antibody test a few weeks back and received her results within a couple of days. Now the place she went to is saying there's a big backlog and at least a 10 day wait for results.

I brought my girls in for their annual check-ups yesterday. While I was chatting with the doctor I asked if there was any reason either of my kids should get an antibody test, and she said nah, she's been doing tons of tests, and even people who were really ill in February or March keep coming up negative. She said there was even someone she tested who had been confirmed positive for Covid yet three months later still hadn't tested positive for antibodies, which she found curious. Then I mentioned that *I* had tested positive for antibodies in early June, and she lit up and said "oh, your daughter should totally get tested!" It took a minute of convincing my needle-averse teen, but she ultimately went for it and said the blood draw wasn't too bad. She decided it was worth it to sate our collective curiosity.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 13:30 (three years ago) link

this is WebEx tho, we're moving to Microsoft Teams now

there's another Simon at my work and I keep getting added to Teams meetings I can't seem to completely exit / opt out of. otherwise Teams is cool

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 13:33 (three years ago) link

xpost i did the blood donation/antibody test, waiting on results, not just for that, but cos I awnna fuckin' know what blood type I am finally

Lady Antibody (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 13:34 (three years ago) link

It's good to know! The Red Cross even gives you a little donor card. Well, a virtual card, but still.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 13:52 (three years ago) link

Copied the article here in case it gets paywalled, but this is from the Washington Post about the USPS status. When this was tweeted out last night, there were a number of responses from USPS workers and spouses commenting how they've been having to end their days with still fairly full trucks because of these new rules. Maybe we do need a rolling USPS death spiral thread.

The new head of the U.S. Postal Service established major operational changes Monday that could slow down mail delivery, warning employees the agency would not survive unless it made “difficult” changes to cut costs. But critics say such a philosophical sea change would sacrifice operational efficiency and cede its competitive edge to UPS, FedEx and other private-sector rivals.

Postmaster General Louis DeJoy told employees to leave mail behind at distribution centers if it delayed letter carriers from their routes, according to internal USPS documents obtained by The Washington Post and verified by the American Postal Workers Union and three people with knowledge of their contents, but who spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid retribution.

“If the plants run late, they will keep the mail for the next day,” according to a document titled, “New PMG’s [Postmaster General’s] expectations and plan.” Traditionally, postal workers are trained not to leave letters behind and to make multiple delivery trips to ensure timely distribution of letters and parcels.

Top Republican fundraiser and Trump ally named postmaster general, giving president new influence over Postal Service

The memo cited U.S. Steel, a onetime industry titan that was slow to adapt to market changes, to illustrate what is at stake. “In 1975 they were the largest company in the world,” the memo states. “They are gone.” (U.S. Steel is a $1.7 billion company with 27,500 employees.)

Analysts say the documents present a stark reimagining of the USPS that could chase away customers — especially if the White House gets the steep package rate increases it wants — and put the already beleaguered agency in deeper financial peril as private-sector competitors embark on hiring sprees to build out their own delivery networks.

President Trump on April 24 called the U.S. Postal Service a “joke” and said they should raise rates on some services. (The Washington Post)
Congress authorized the USPS to borrow an additional $10 billion from the Treasury Department for emergency operations in an early coronavirus relief bill. But postal leaders have yet to access the money over disagreements with Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, who attached terms on the loan that would turn over operations of much of the Postal Service to his department.

The Postal Service’s governing board appointed DeJoy, a major Trump donor and seasoned logistics executive, in the middle of that back-and-forth.

Steep drop-offs in first-class and marketing mail, the Postal Service’s most profitable items, have exacerbated the USPS’s cash crisis; postal leaders predicted at the start of the pandemic that their agency would be insolvent by October without congressional intervention. Single-piece, first-class mail volume fell 15 to 20 percent week to week in April and May, agency leaders told lawmakers last month. Marketing mail, the hardest-hit segment, tumbled 30 to 50 percent week to week during the same period.

Skyrocketing package volume, up 60 to 80 percent in May as the coronavirus pandemic made consumers more reliant on delivery services, has propped up the Postal Service’s finances and staved off immediate financial calamity. But the packages also have intensified the USPS’s competition with Amazon, FedEx and UPS, industry leaders looking to capitalize on enduring changes in consumer habits brought on by shelter-in-place orders. (Amazon founder and chief executive Jeff Bezos owns The Washington Post.)

The Trump administration has consolidated control over the Postal Service, traditionally an apolitical institution, during the pandemic by making a financial lifeline for the nation’s mail service contingent upon the White House political agenda. President Trump in April called the agency “a joke” and demanded it quadruple package rates before he’d authorize any emergency aid or loans.

Trump says he will block coronavirus aid for U.S. Postal Service if it doesn’t hike prices immediately

The Postal Service’s future needs to be as a low-cost package carrier, industry analysts contend, as parcels make up a growing portion of the agency’s volume and profits, and paper mail volumes continue to decline as coupons and bills increasingly move online. Postal leaders project the agency could run out of money between March and October 2021.

“If this is true, it would be a real concern to customers if service were slowed, especially in light of the fact that the Postal Service may get more rate authority, meaning higher rates, later this year or early next year,” said Art Sackler, manager of the Coalition for a 21st Century Postal Service, an industry group whose members include Amazon, eBay, Hallmark and other commercial mailers.

“This is framing the U.S. Postal Service, a 245-year-old government agency, and comparing it to its competitors that could conceivably go bankrupt,” said Philip Rubio, a professor of history at North Carolina A&T State University and a former postal worker. “Comparing it to U.S. Steel says exactly that ‘We are a business, not service.’ That’s troubling.”

The changes also worry vote-by-mail advocates, who insist that any policy that slows delivery could imperil access to mailed and absentee ballots. It reinforces the need, they say, for Congress to provide the agency emergency coronavirus funding.

“Attacks on USPS not only threaten our economy and the jobs of 600,000 workers. With our states now reliant on mail voting to continue elections during the pandemic, the destabilizing of the post office is a direct attack on American democracy itself,” said Rep. Bill Pascrell Jr. (D-N.J.). “It has been 59 days since the House passed $25 billion to keep USPS alive. The Senate must pass it now. Democracy hangs in the balance.”

The Postal Service said in a statement that it was “developing a business plan to ensure that we will be financially stable and able to continue to provide reliable, affordable, safe and secure delivery of mail, packages and other communications to all Americans as a vital part of the nation’s critical infrastructure.”

Postal Service to review package delivery fees as Trump influence grows

It said the plan was not finalized, but would include “new and creative ways for us to fulfill our mission, and we will focus immediately on efficiency and items that we can control, including adherence to the effective operating plans that we have developed.”

But the documents circulated Monday on shop floors around the country called for specific changes in the way postal workers will do their jobs.

“Every single employee will receive this information, no matter what job they perform, so remember that YOU are an integral part of the success we will have — again, by working together,” the second document states.

“The shifts are simple, but they will be challenging, as we seek to change our culture and move away from past practices previously used,” it adds.

The first memo says the agency will prohibit overtime and strictly curtail the use of other measures local postmasters use to ameliorate staffing shortages.

Even a common method for mail delivery — “park points,” in which letter carriers park their mail trucks at the end of a street, deliver mail items by foot for several blocks, then return to the trucks and drive on — is under scrutiny. The document bans carriers from taking more than four “park points” on their routes and claims “park points are abused, not cost effective and taken advantage of.”

Under siege from Trump, U.S. Postal Service finds surprising financial upside in pandemic

“It’s like a riot act,” Rubio said.

“Overtime is being used because people need their packages in this pandemic,” said Mark Dimondstein, president of the American Postal Workers Union, which represents 200,000 USPS employees. “They need their mail in this pandemic. They need their medicines in this pandemic. They need their census forms. They need ballot information.”

The second memo says the Postal Service will first look to cut its transportation costs, and estimates that late and extra trips cost the agency $200 million annually in “added expenses,” or about the same amount the agency lost in May. The memo warns postal workers that it may be “difficult” to “see mail left behind or mail on the workroom floor,” but that the agency “will address root causes of these delays and adjust the very next day.”

Postal union leaders condemned the measures and said customer service is being sacrificed for only meager cost savings.

“I would tell our members that this is not something that as postal workers we should accept,” Dimondstein said. “It’s not something that the union you belong to is going to accept.”

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 14:00 (three years ago) link

The memo cited U.S. Steel, a onetime industry titan that was slow to adapt to market changes, to illustrate what is at stake. “In 1975 they were the largest company in the world,” the memo states. “They are gone.” (U.S. Steel is a $1.7 billion company with 27,500 employees.)

love the aside

brownie, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 14:21 (three years ago) link

A few weeks back I was surprised to see stores (and specifically Trader Joe's) so well stocked with hand sanitizer again. I got myself a little pump dispenser for the counter, but was dismayed to discover that it smelled like, for lack of a better description, rotten potatoes. TJ's apologized and refunded my money. Just last week, however, I learned that not only is stinky hand sanitizer a thing, but why!

https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/blog/why-hand-sanitizers-smell/

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 15:02 (three years ago) link

I can't stand those rotten egg-smelling cleaning products

Nhex, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 15:05 (three years ago) link

Thanks for the link, we just opened a terribly stinky bottle of hand sanitizer over the weekend and wondered why it was so pungent and awful.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 15:06 (three years ago) link

Meanwhile, Walmart just announced that it will finally make masks mandatory on July 20th. My economist friend has hypothesized Walmart could be a tipping point (in the right direction).

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 15:09 (three years ago) link

I'm okay for hand sanitizer but I really miss all-purpose cleaner sprays (Lysol, 409, even Windex).

The only options hereabouts still seem to be weak-ass all-natural ones, or ones with bleach. Bleach smells make me wanna vomit

Blursday the Vagueteenth of Whenember (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 15:22 (three years ago) link

^^ otm

I was deep cleaning the bathrooms this weekend and the bleach option was all I had to go with, so it took a lot longer than it needed to for me to take breaks and air things out.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 15:27 (three years ago) link

Someone observed how telling it was that when the shit hit the fans it was the hardcore killer chemical cleaners that flew off the shelves, and not the safe, healthy, all-natural whittled-from-one-piece-of-reclaimed-wood stuff.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 15:29 (three years ago) link

I had a beauty box gift subscription last year and in it I got sent a bottle of antibac gel hand sanitiser that smells of strawberry laces. Was not impressed at the time (I usually get fancy eyeshadow or whatnot) but was grateful for it a few months ago! Still smells grim though, think rotting potatoes might be preferable.

kinder, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 15:39 (three years ago) link

On my way out of a shop earlier that's operating a customer limit and an ostensible one-way system. They had a person in the door and not only was she standing right in front of the exit side but literally ust as I approached it she told two people to come in so now they are hovering by the other side where the gel station is. So my path is entirely blocked just as I was trying to leave to allow other people to come in. So the girl on the door dances around ostentatiously to get out of the way and I think made some reflexive quip about how I was going the wrong way! Jeez. I know everybody is trying to work this out and I'm not about to give her a hard time but do me a favour. Also I was the only person involved in this farce wearing a goddam mask.

All Diacritics Love Ü (Noel Emits), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 16:48 (three years ago) link

Typed that in rant-o-text apparently.

All Diacritics Love Ü (Noel Emits), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 16:49 (three years ago) link

my teacher friend went into her classroom and spaced out all of the desks she could 6 feet apart. was able to get 13 desks in the room, and some had to be fudged (i.e., barely under 6 feet).

she has classes ranging from 24-36 people.

Lady Antibody (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 19:06 (three years ago) link

not anymore she doesn't!
i wish all class sizes actually went down to 12-13 and they just hired a shit ton more people to cover them
that would be so awesome for everyone

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 19:08 (three years ago) link

my teacher friend went into her classroom and spaced out all of the desks she could 6 feet apart. was able to get 13 desks in the room, and some had to be fudged (i.e., barely under 6 feet).

Yes, the space crunch in schools is a problem. Oh, if only there were a large number of spaces not currently being used

like

um

OFFICES

HOTELS

CONFERENCE VENUES

CONVENTION CENTERS

SPORTS VENUES

RECREATION FACILITIES

Seriously, I have a lovely office that I haven't been to in four months, and have no plans to go to any time soon. Lots of space, plentiful kitchens and bathrooms, good HVAC, already supplied with paper and pens and school supplies...

I have no idea how the logistical or liability concerns would be handled but sheesh. How many cavernous office buildings are sitting mostly empty? Some clever matchmaking could solve that easily, if the requisite willpower could be applied.

the word "restaurateur" doesn't have an n in it (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 19:15 (three years ago) link

Suddenly Woke up w fever and chills around 3 AM after being fine yesterday and temperature was just around 101. Not gonna lie, freaking out.

Have a test scheduled tomorrow but who knows how long I’ll have to wait

Chris L, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 19:35 (three years ago) link

For results I mean

Chris L, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 19:45 (three years ago) link

Good luck! I hope the results come back quickly and it's nothing serious.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 19:52 (three years ago) link

Oof best of luck and feel better Chris!

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 19:59 (three years ago) link

I can sympathize with freaking out. It would be hard not to. Here's hoping you get well quickly and completely, whatever it is.

the unappreciated charisma of cows (Aimless), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 20:01 (three years ago) link

"Seriously, I have a lovely office that I haven't been to in four months, and have no plans to go to any time soon. Lots of space, plentiful kitchens and bathrooms, good HVAC, already supplied with paper and pens and school supplies..."

this idea is dope and i def haven't seen it voiced elsewhere!

Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 21:00 (three years ago) link

*lawyer pops head into room*

theeeere's gonnnna be liaaabilityyyy issuesss.....

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 21:03 (three years ago) link

yeah which I mentioned specifically as a probably prohibitive factor

I have seen the possibility floated that commercial landlords could get a rent break or tax break for donating the use of their spaces; not sure that counteracts the liaaabilityyyy issues

the word "restaurateur" doesn't have an n in it (Ye Mad Puffin), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 21:18 (three years ago) link

we live in a world that bends to the whims of high finance to the extent that the values of high finance have become our values - or at least provide a scaffolding that snakes through our entire society - and the USP of high finance is that they're supposedly peerless match-makers. the markets provide cost discovery near instantaneously to both sides of any potential investment that could be made. yet children are being squeezed into classrooms too small to safely hold them while offices and hotels are empty, and their owners going out of business. great match-making, guys. oh and what about the absolutely mind-boggling amount of work to be done to dig ourselves out of this pandemic? the affordable houses that need to be built? the crumbling roadways to shore up, and the shitty public transportation systems that need urgent attention? all while millions of people are unemployed. sweet going you wunderkind angel investors! you CDO hotshots! you are so great and worthwhile! let's definitely let you handle all the money.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 21:20 (three years ago) link

School starts Aug 18 here, just got word that the local school district decided that the first 3 weeks will be remote. Wouldn't surprise me if this gets extended indefinitely.

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 23:01 (three years ago) link

Moodles where are you located?

Lavator Shemmelpennick, Thursday, 16 July 2020 00:05 (three years ago) link

My pal's current prediction is that schools where I live will open as scheduled (albeit as a part home/part in-class hybrid in the case of K-8 schools; high school is 100% remote) but that they will be shut down a month later. Really they should all be remote for at least the immediate future. There's a school in the burbs that had a sports camp for football and baseball players, iirc, and 36 kids just tested positive.

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 July 2020 00:10 (three years ago) link

Seriously, I have a lovely office that I haven't been to in four months, and have no plans to go to any time soon. Lots of space, plentiful kitchens and bathrooms, good HVAC, already supplied with paper and pens and school supplies..."

this idea is dope and i def haven't seen it voiced elsewhere!

― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Wednesday, July 15, 2020 5:00 PM (three hours ago)

it's appealing, but it's not especially viable in many areas due to insurance, difficulty of cleaning spaces, the special needs of classrooms w/r/t accessibility and safety, transportation... etc. sometimes local publically-owned spaces (e.g. libraries, town-halls) might step-in, but privately owned buildings come with a host of difficulties.

america's favorite (remy bean), Thursday, 16 July 2020 00:11 (three years ago) link

My pal's current prediction is that schools where I live will open as scheduled (albeit as a part home/part in-class hybrid in the case of K-8 schools; high school is 100% remote) but that they will be shut down a month later. Really they should all be remote for at least the immediate future. There's a school in the burbs that had a sports camp for football and baseball players, iirc, and 36 kids just tested positive.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, July 15, 2020 8:10 PM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is the subtext to most openign plans! Nobody expects schools will be open for business-as-usual come October/November (flu season, colds, etc.), but there's a desire to get kids in for face-face interaction and socialization as early as possible.

america's favorite (remy bean), Thursday, 16 July 2020 00:13 (three years ago) link

Moodles where are you located?

Austin, TX

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Thursday, 16 July 2020 00:21 (three years ago) link

Houston starts Sept 8th. First six weeks are remote, after that we can choose remote or in class. We can change our mind every six weeks. Everything subject to change.

I guess this is as good as it gets under the current circumstances. Bitter that everything has been mismanaged so badly that we are here.

Cow_Art, Thursday, 16 July 2020 01:24 (three years ago) link

i mean nobody cares but melbourne’s daily case load is creeping up (although nothing at all compared to brazil, the usa, leicester etc) and it looks like our second lockdown (currently underway) will get even tighter and i think this is about as much as i can take of this fucking year

THE LEFT (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 16 July 2020 01:46 (three years ago) link

So last night a girl I dated in high school with whom I've stayed close reported her mom died of COVID. She and her dad were hospitalized last Friday; at first she thought her diabetic dad would go first. She's gutted, in large part b/c she had to say goodbye on the phone on Faceetime.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 July 2020 02:10 (three years ago) link

That's how this shit works: concentric circles of doom.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 July 2020 02:10 (three years ago) link

oh fuck that’s devastating

THE LEFT (Autumn Almanac), Thursday, 16 July 2020 02:11 (three years ago) link

xxxpost damn, Chris. Keeping you in my thoughts. Really really hope it's just a quick bug!

Fetchboy, Thursday, 16 July 2020 02:40 (three years ago) link

oh jeez Alfred, very sorry to hear that

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Thursday, 16 July 2020 03:03 (three years ago) link

alfred, that’s awful, i’m so sorry.

Hunt3r, Thursday, 16 July 2020 08:03 (three years ago) link

Chris let us know how you’re feeling if you get a chance

I just had this horrible realisation that even if Trump loses he’s in power until late January. Those 2-3 months could be critical.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 16 July 2020 08:17 (three years ago) link

Sorry Alfred. Terrible.

Tōne Locatelli Romano (PBKR), Thursday, 16 July 2020 12:05 (three years ago) link

Thanks, all.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 16 July 2020 12:23 (three years ago) link

That's terrible news. I have two very good friends who had a parent die in the past few months (neither of covid), and the social distancing and other restrictions made things that much more rough.

melbourne’s daily case load is creeping up

Curious, how much chillier is it in Melbourne than Sydney? Cool enough that people need to spend more time inside? For a bit it seemed like Covid was at least tangentially related to the weather, in the sense that where and when it was too cold or too hot to spend long stretches outside there seemed to be big spikes (New York/here et al. in March/April, southern states and CA now), but this country has been such an erratic mess I'm sure there are big exceptions due to outright incompetence. For example, I've wondered if it will happen again here as we creep toward the fall, where northern states suddenly see spikes and southern states get things better under control, but the southern states seem to be dealing with a whole different level of stupidity and stubbornness. Though I guess even Texas and Alabama have finally come around to mandatory masks, so apparently progress is possible. On the other hand, Kemp in Georgia literally just signed an executive order Wednesday night explicitly banning cities from enacting their own mask mandates, so ...

Josh in Chicago, Thursday, 16 July 2020 12:36 (three years ago) link


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