Free Speech and Creepy Liberalism

nah, would be shocked if bari weiss isn't writing in a big publication soon enough.

nah, would be shocked if bari weiss isn't writing in a big publication soon enough.

Speculation is that she's going to be joining Andrew Sullivan and Ben Shapiro in some kind of horrifying new right-wing project that will be feted in the Atlantic, TNR, etc. and ignored by the sane reading public.

The Alt White

Weiss does mean 'white' in German (sorry if that was the joke).

i wish cancel culture actually canceled these people :(

Speculation is that she's going to be joining Andrew Sullivan and Ben Shapiro in some kind of horrifying new right-wing project that will be feted in the Atlantic, TNR, etc. and ignored by the sane reading public.

― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, July 14, 2020 2:25 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

god i was prepared for these clods to toil away in their lil online enclaves, but this sounds like a rw vox and i cant deal

The Internets should have destroyed and eliminated every single Opinion department at every newspaper...and yet they survive.

opinion is the only thing that gets reliable clicks anymore

we have Times Radio over here, and given how Weiss has just left the NY Times, makes sense that the virus would spread to you lot as well

Agreed, Traces. And think what the NYT et al would look like if the page was formatted like Reddit and things were voted to the top.

Would actually be pretty great if the NYT posted number of clicks next to each section, article, byline, etc.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand) at 2:57 14 Jul 20

opinion is the only thing that gets reliable clicks anymore

local sports

lol all the Bari fans are on twitter doing the “but she didn’t say that” bullshit to anyone who implies she thought her coworkers at the NYT should have been punished for not liking her

the entire shtick is so insanely thin, she writes drivel with absolutely no substance but with an obvious ~subtext~

if you get the subtext right, she and all her goons say “she didn’t say that! you’re the bad guy!” and if you get it wrong then it doesn’t matter

she’s basically someone blowing a giant dog whistle and if you can’t hear it, she just looks like a moron blowing into a whistle that makes no noise, a completely useless venture

local sports

true

local sports are canceled too! haha

personally love the culture of cancel

Dennis Perrin never tweets about local sports

*begins Morbs stopwatch*

new republic is quite good these days many xxxpost

keeping with the dog whistle theme, it’s COMPLETELY SURPRISING that every conservative dipshit (including Ted Cruz!) is tweeting about how sad it is that the terrible nytimes.. didn’t fire her? idk, something bad apparently happened but it’s hard to say what

mysterious how all these dogs are showing up to comment, as if they... heard something

Glenn Greenwald had planned to produce a documentary about Martina Navratilova, with Kimberly Peirce of Boys Don't Cry renown. And then...

https://theintercept.com/2020/07/14/cancel-culture-martina-navratilova-documentary/

fyi if anybody is interested i have a little postscript to my rampage this weekend itt up on my blog

https://www.alanauch.org/wtob/2020/07/14/list-of-animals-with-fraudulent-diplomas/

Glenn Greenwald had planned to produce a documentary about Martina Navratilova, with Kimberly Peirce of Boys Don't Cry renown. And then...

https://theintercept.com/2020/07/14/cancel-culture-martina-navratilova-documentary/

― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius)

fascinating. what does dennis perrin have to say about all this?

I for one am excited for Friday, when we learn that Charles Koch and Peter Thiel are funding a new website called Heterodoxxx featuring an all-star lineup of canceled pundits. It will be like Quillette, except US-based and with every blogger earning $300,000 a year.

— David Klion (@DavidKlion) July 14, 2020

what does dennis perrin have to say about all this?

I support The Letter. I only wish I had a chance to sign it. @MadMenQts pic.twitter.com/ReZaEGO53t

— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) July 8, 2020

now that is a name xp

dennis perrin supports The Letter. he ain't got time to take a fast train, and anyway he would prefer to watch a video of it on youtube.

i'm trying to think of something less important than The Letter 'controversy'

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still thinking

thanks morbz, it really enriches all of our lives when you go onto threads about things you don't care about and talk about how little you care about them. unfortunately, i must regretfully decline your stealth request for me to start going on every thread on "i love baseball" and bitch and moan about how unimportant baseball is to me.

The saddest thing in the world is that Dennis Perrin tweet has 3 retweets and 17 likes.

thanks morbz, it really enriches all of our lives when you go onto threads about things you don't care about and talk about how little you care about them.

new ilx board description

The cultural oxygen swallowed up by The Letter legitimizes my posts objecting to same. You're welcome!

this thread has a huge weight of significant posts regardless of the letter

agreed

what a moment

There is literally nothing less important than baseball IMHO.

"This thread has a huge weight of significant posts"

New board description?

baseball is not important, hence hugely significant

google "jacques barzun heart and mind of america"

Baseball is very important in that serious baseball fandom is a sign that someone's thoughts on other things are not to be taken seriously (cf. Will, George).

every serious baseball fan i know detests Will and his baseball writing

anyway back to your PC horseshit

https://amp.theguardian.com/media/2020/jul/15/guardian-announces-plans-to-cut-180-jobs?

Sadly doubt this liberal shit-rag will go to the wall. Too many of the clever liberal vermin have money to indulge the bigotry and left-bashing.

Douthat on cancel culture. Smarter than anything written by his dumbshit peers (Weiss, Sullivan, Stephens, et al.). I don't even think I'm sorry I read it.

morbz just because i would like to demonstrate that the intersectional left is fundamentally characterized by diversity and not the ideological conformity its critics accuse it of, i actually kinda like baseball

So do I! I've attended games at three different World Series that the Indians have lost since 1995, you kinda have to be a fan to keep exposing yourself to that kind of agony.

the intersectional left is fundamentally characterized by diversity and not the ideological conformity its critics accuse it of

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tbh off the top of my head I can't think of too many topics on which the woke/intersectional/extremely online left is currently notably divided or exhibits a wide range of viewpoints that don't result in kneejerk derision. the efficacy/worthiness of electoral politics, the morality and legislation of sex work, and...?

not alleging that having a narrow set of acceptable-to-the-in-group opinions on a given topic is necessarily even bad! I don't think the left needs a pro-capital-punishment wing or indeed an anti-trans-rights wing to get by

not alleging that having a narrow set of acceptable-to-the-in-group opinions on a given topic is necessarily even bad! I don't think the left needs a pro-capital-punishment wing or indeed an anti-trans-rights wing to get by

― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.)

yeah i'm not going to talk to you about whether or not covid is a chinese hoax. debate culture redefines things widely accepted as facts facts as opinions and its idea of "diversity" is a willingness to argue about goddamn anything, so long as there are no lasting effects whatsoever from that argument. unfortunately, i got actual shit i gotta get done, and endless arguments are kind of a distraction from that. if you're interested in competitive sports, i'm told baseball is an excellent pastime.

gonna try to respond to that without contributing to, uh, debate culture

imo a span of acceptable opinions held within an in-group in which mutual respect is assumed =/= ben shapiro "owning the libs" or whatever

this is why I thought of sex work specifically, within woke spaces/chats/whatever I know people (often former sex workers) whose ideal society has no place for it, and others (sometimes also former sex workers) who share the same assumptions about many other subjects but whose view on the subject is less outright negative. that's not about "disputing widely held assumptions", that's earnest differences of opinion between peers.

i guess i don't understand the question you're asking here, sorry. you're wanting to know, like, if we're not conformist, what do we disagree about? idk. that's kind of a hard question for me to answer! part of the culture i try to participate in is so predicated on not speaking for other people - i listen, of course, and i mirror, but speaking for someone whose beliefs and opinions are not my own, i'm really not good at that and i prefer not to do that, prefer to let people who disagree with me speak for themselves.

also, a lot of the things i talk about, discuss with other trans people, these are concerns that are specific to the trans community, and sharing the details of those concerns would be kind of opaque to people outside the community. i understand wanting transparency - i think transparency is super important. it is kind of a sore spot, though, because a lot of times people who, uh, don't have our best interests in heart, they use our differences as a wedge, "divide and conquer", so there's a lot of potential harm to us that can result from talking about that. and, honestly, i have a hard time seeing the potential good in a lot of cases. there is a certain level of granularity to a lot of disagreements. when i talk with other people about concepts rooted in our own common experiences, talk about how to interpret and act on them, like, i struggle a hell of a lot in expressing those ideas to people who don't have those experiences. there's this sort of implicit assumption in Western philosophical debate that all experience can be universalized, and it can't!

(This assumed universality of non-universal experience is one of the things that makes it most frustrating for me to deal with people coming at me from a hegemonic Western philosphical tradition. It's hard for me not to get salty when the fear of not being taken _objectively_ I hear expressed so often and so forcefully is something that have already happened to many of us - for some of us, being judged for who we are and not what we say has literally _always_ been our experience - and it is hard to be kind when pointing out to people who are wholly convinced of their own impartiality that the concerns they are expressing are, uh, highly selectively applied.)

I will note that, it turns out, one of the things I have seen people in the intersectional left disagree on is whether or not it is necessary to have spaces for marginalized groups from which non-members of those groups are excluded. So other people might have a different take on this than me.

I can't think of too many topics on which the woke/intersectional/extremely online left is currently notably divided

I mean this is where we fall prey to the motte and bailey problem because if you literally mean what I mean by "the intersectional / extremely online left" then I tend to agree with you, but if you mean by it what e.g. Bari Weiss or Andrew Sullivan mean by it, then that much larger group is notably divided on everything. To take just one thing: is it the intrinsic nature of U.S. police departments to be occupying forces whose goal is to maintain white supremacy, baked in from their origin as slave patrols? I think you might find pretty high levels of agreement with that statement on "the intersectional / extremely online left." But not at the New York Times editorial page! And if the New York Times editorial page is included the scope of the "woke left" (as people are very loudly claiming than it is) then the "orthodoxy" it purportedly enforces contains a pretty damn wide range of ideas, which includes the view stated above, but also Joe Biden's "police departments need serious reform but America should have police forces that run pretty much like they do right now except with fewer badged criminals." Perhaps it excludes "Protestors should be tear-gassed and/or shot before they inevitably rob sneakers from the sneaker store, you know how those people love sneakers -- what? Leftists, I meant leftists! Leftists love sneakers. What did you THINK I meant, GOD, why do you have to make everything about RACE? I, myself, cannot even see race. What race am I? I seriously don't know, never thought about it."

"To take just one thing: is it the intrinsic nature of U.S. police departments to be occupying forces whose goal is to maintain white supremacy, baked in from their origin as slave patrols? I think you might find pretty high levels of agreement with that statement on "the intersectional / extremely online left.""

well, yeah, because it's pretty fucking well supported by the evidence!

I can't think of too many topics on which the woke/intersectional/extremely online left is currently notably divided

key question before answering this is who is included in this grouping, or more to the point who isn't....as in who is left but not "woke/intersectional/extremely online left"?