Free Speech and Creepy Liberalism

spinoff thought: I think this is, in one form or another, a battle that every "socially conscious" man or at-the-time-male-identified person has to reckon with. or at least I do, regularly!

― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.)

oh yeah! i know what you're talking about there. what i was talking about is different from that, but it is definitely something i had to struggle with. when i identified as male, i worried a _lot_ about "toxic masculinity", about how to be a man in a healthy manner. so many of the things i was taught or encouraged to do as a man were bullshit and i hated them, hated the constant emphasis on power, violence, domination. i was really frustrated, though, because i didn't know how to be better, didn't know how to offer alternatives, to not be any of those things.

ironically, now that i've started transition the solutions to such problems seem obvious to me, now that it's no longer my problem to solve, my burden to carry. i struggle to express it, though, in ways that Old Me, Cis Me, would understand. i'm in a particularly weak position, honestly, to oppose toxic masculinity, to oppose destructive gender norms. i still believe, for instance, that it should be totally ok and fine for men to wear dresses and skirts, that a lot of the bullshit cis male standards a railed against are genuinely bullshit and can and should be opposed by cis males. it's not a convincing argument i can make, though. what cis man is going to believe me when I say "Sure, it's fine to wear a dress, it doesn't make you less of a man or anything"?

i think that's part of why i have so much respect for trans men. trans men are men, not intrinsically better or more valid than any other man, they are capable of exhibiting many of the same problems, making many of the same mistakes, cis men do, but they, as a group, have unique and uniquely valuable experiences that cis men don't. they are not raised with all of the bullshit cis men were raised with. nothing about their gender is assumed, nothing about it is taken for granted. they understand so much about manhood that i as a "cis man" just never fucking got, and i don't think it's just because i never was a cis man. you want to learn more about how to be a better man, a less toxic man? listen to trans men!

re: Bari, can't wait for all the whinging about how cancel culture "forced" her to "self-expel" into her next cushy media job

🤔🤔🤔https://t.co/KfPWyUKR3a pic.twitter.com/SB3Wz1kZBu

— Osita Nwanevu (@OsitaNwanevu) July 14, 2020

I read an excerpt from that letter and I think the Times made a strategic mistake hiring an opinion writer who can’t fucking write, you could get better prose picking someone at random from a college newspaper.

worst barry imo

Oh no! Bari Weiss, whom I don't read, resigned from the New York Times, which I don't read. Back to watching YouTube train vids.

— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) July 14, 2020

really if you read the nyt op page, it's on you

I don’t think I have much personal sway over masculinity because I’m a fuckin dweeb with less than zero charisma

Morbz I say this with love but is there literally no topic about which you don't think ILX needs to hear Dennis Perrin's opinion?

what cis man is going to believe me when I say "Sure, it's fine to wear a dress, it doesn't make you less of a man or anything"?

I do, for what it's worth! (But then again I already thought that)

Morbz I say this with love but is there literally no topic about which you don't think ILX needs to hear Dennis Perrin's opinion?

― Guayaquil (eephus!)

if perrin had actually posted a link to the train video he was watching i might possibly have been interested

fewer hot takes, more train videos, that's what i want. honestly i would rather watch a video by the _band_ train than hear someone's twitter hot takes. that's how little i want to hear his hot takes.

I don’t think I have much personal sway over masculinity because I’m a fuckin dweeb with less than zero charisma

― trapped out the barndo (crüt)

oh! this is one of my least favorite things ever, when people i care about talk shit about themselves. crut, you are an awesome person and i care about you and anybody who makes you think you are a "fuckin dweeb with less than zero charisma" is wrong and mean. you deserve to be treated better than that.

the nyt should replace bari weiss with dennis perrin obv

perrin sure can deliver pith in 256 words or leth

lol

bari weiss? more like....uh, barry white's "your political correctness is my political core weakness"

I assume these people quitting think this is some John Galt-type revolution, when in reality everyone is going to ignore the fuck out of them now.

nah, would be shocked if bari weiss isn't writing in a big publication soon enough.

nah, would be shocked if bari weiss isn't writing in a big publication soon enough.

Speculation is that she's going to be joining Andrew Sullivan and Ben Shapiro in some kind of horrifying new right-wing project that will be feted in the Atlantic, TNR, etc. and ignored by the sane reading public.

The Alt White

Weiss does mean 'white' in German (sorry if that was the joke).

i wish cancel culture actually canceled these people :(

Speculation is that she's going to be joining Andrew Sullivan and Ben Shapiro in some kind of horrifying new right-wing project that will be feted in the Atlantic, TNR, etc. and ignored by the sane reading public.

― but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, July 14, 2020 2:25 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

god i was prepared for these clods to toil away in their lil online enclaves, but this sounds like a rw vox and i cant deal

The Internets should have destroyed and eliminated every single Opinion department at every newspaper...and yet they survive.

opinion is the only thing that gets reliable clicks anymore

we have Times Radio over here, and given how Weiss has just left the NY Times, makes sense that the virus would spread to you lot as well

Agreed, Traces. And think what the NYT et al would look like if the page was formatted like Reddit and things were voted to the top.

Would actually be pretty great if the NYT posted number of clicks next to each section, article, byline, etc.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand) at 2:57 14 Jul 20

opinion is the only thing that gets reliable clicks anymore

local sports

lol all the Bari fans are on twitter doing the “but she didn’t say that” bullshit to anyone who implies she thought her coworkers at the NYT should have been punished for not liking her

the entire shtick is so insanely thin, she writes drivel with absolutely no substance but with an obvious ~subtext~

if you get the subtext right, she and all her goons say “she didn’t say that! you’re the bad guy!” and if you get it wrong then it doesn’t matter

she’s basically someone blowing a giant dog whistle and if you can’t hear it, she just looks like a moron blowing into a whistle that makes no noise, a completely useless venture

local sports

true

local sports are canceled too! haha

personally love the culture of cancel

Dennis Perrin never tweets about local sports

*begins Morbs stopwatch*

new republic is quite good these days many xxxpost

keeping with the dog whistle theme, it’s COMPLETELY SURPRISING that every conservative dipshit (including Ted Cruz!) is tweeting about how sad it is that the terrible nytimes.. didn’t fire her? idk, something bad apparently happened but it’s hard to say what

mysterious how all these dogs are showing up to comment, as if they... heard something

Glenn Greenwald had planned to produce a documentary about Martina Navratilova, with Kimberly Peirce of Boys Don't Cry renown. And then...

https://theintercept.com/2020/07/14/cancel-culture-martina-navratilova-documentary/

fyi if anybody is interested i have a little postscript to my rampage this weekend itt up on my blog

https://www.alanauch.org/wtob/2020/07/14/list-of-animals-with-fraudulent-diplomas/

Glenn Greenwald had planned to produce a documentary about Martina Navratilova, with Kimberly Peirce of Boys Don't Cry renown. And then...

https://theintercept.com/2020/07/14/cancel-culture-martina-navratilova-documentary/

― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius)

fascinating. what does dennis perrin have to say about all this?

I for one am excited for Friday, when we learn that Charles Koch and Peter Thiel are funding a new website called Heterodoxxx featuring an all-star lineup of canceled pundits. It will be like Quillette, except US-based and with every blogger earning $300,000 a year.

— David Klion (@DavidKlion) July 14, 2020

what does dennis perrin have to say about all this?

I support The Letter. I only wish I had a chance to sign it. @MadMenQts pic.twitter.com/ReZaEGO53t

— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) July 8, 2020

now that is a name xp

dennis perrin supports The Letter. he ain't got time to take a fast train, and anyway he would prefer to watch a video of it on youtube.

i'm trying to think of something less important than The Letter 'controversy'

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still thinking

thanks morbz, it really enriches all of our lives when you go onto threads about things you don't care about and talk about how little you care about them. unfortunately, i must regretfully decline your stealth request for me to start going on every thread on "i love baseball" and bitch and moan about how unimportant baseball is to me.

The saddest thing in the world is that Dennis Perrin tweet has 3 retweets and 17 likes.

thanks morbz, it really enriches all of our lives when you go onto threads about things you don't care about and talk about how little you care about them.

new ilx board description

The cultural oxygen swallowed up by The Letter legitimizes my posts objecting to same. You're welcome!

this thread has a huge weight of significant posts regardless of the letter

agreed

what a moment

There is literally nothing less important than baseball IMHO.