US Politics: July 2020 - "Denigrating this Luxury Avenue"

why post that shit, really

re: funding behind Ilhan Omar’s primary opponent:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/israel-antone-melton-meaux-ilhan-omar-minnesota-primary_n_5f0633a9c5b6480493caca13

"Trump absurdly tries to blame Obama for problems w/ testing for Covid-19, which didn't exist until nearly 3 years after he left office."

He didn't. Are these ppl really this dense or are they consciously lying in order to make Trump seem even stupider?

What? He did! He straight up says "Biden and Obama stopped testing". Stopped testing what? WTF do either Biden or Obama have to do with Covid management to begin with?!

I think he was probably talking about H1N1, except he's too stupid to realize he has to say the thing he's talking about first, and what he's saying likely isn't true, so that's another reason why it's hard to follow.

he's not too stupid, he purposely made an ambiguous accusation, which he’s really good at by the way, so as to connect and implicate them in an undefined way

Yeah he's literally playing the "THANKS OBAMA" meme only for real.

^ otm. it's one of the few things he's good at that is more complex than a fifth grader could devise.

Biden to call for spending $2 trillion over four years in his new clean energy plan, plus setting the goal of a 100% clean energy standard by 2035. Plus more details. Scoop with @jendlouhyhc and @arinatter. https://t.co/vGqN9Nzk7l

— Jennifer Epstein (@jeneps) July 14, 2020

Biden's new plan for $2 trillion over four years replaces the $1.7 trillion over 10 years climate plan that he put out last year. So he's talking about spending more money and much faster. https://t.co/vGqN9Nzk7l

— Jennifer Epstein (@jeneps) July 14, 2020

The 100% clean electricity by 2035 standard that Biden is proposing is something promoted by @JayInslee and also adopted by @ewarren. https://t.co/QBesfpli5D

— Jennifer Epstein (@jeneps) July 14, 2020

uh....good for him

it's good

No no Biden sucks, there’s a whole thread about it

he also smells

biden sucks.

this is evidence that continued pressure from grassroots climate orgs (and other parts of the left) works. that's in part because those campaigns have been pretty well-run and sustained, and in part because the recipient is a frail old man seems to be invulnerable to attacks that he is socialism in disguise (cf. nixon could go to china).

good thing he sucks so bad he can run on a plan like this and still scare the shit out of Trump

Correct

quality slice of caek

good thing politicians don’t just say things to get elected

why vote the government always get in, eh?

I mean good for him (or his handlers) for for correctly taking the temp of the avg Democratic voter in 2020 but I guess we’ll see what they actually pursue if elected

i expect the progressive wonderland of 2009-10 all over again

cheer up you'll have more fun bitching about biden than trump

I mean good for him (or his handlers) for for correctly taking the temp of the avg Democratic voter in 2020 but I guess we’ll see what they actually pursue if elected

I wish people would stop saying shit like this. Everyone tries to enact their platform once they are elected. They often aren't successful, which is built into the design on the federal government; everything is set up in opposition to each other in order to promote compromise and slow down change. This doesn't change the fact that Presidents, including Trump, try to enact the platforms they ran on.

I’m sorry but I’ll not be taking Joe Biden (or 99% of politicians tbf) at his word on the campaign trail.

(or 99% of politicians tbf)

Do you make an exception for Saint Bernie, I wonder?

not even Bernie.

though I’ll say if you want to know where a politician’s loyalties lie just look at their donor list.

re: funding behind Ilhan Omar’s primary opponent:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/israel-antone-melton-meaux-ilhan-omar-minnesota-primary_n_5f0633a9c5b6480493caca13

No idea the veracity of this but it certainly jibes with what I guess I'd call "word on the street" here.

bernie has more credibility for having the same priorities for much, much longer but he's just one person and would absolutely need to be subjected to the same collective pressure

^absolutely

Anyone who wants to be a politician is, to some degree, a narcissist. IMHO, about 95% are also sociopaths, no matter the party flag they fly.

Trusting politicians is about as stupid as trusting a dog not to steal the steak hanging off the counter when you leave the room.

GA could be in play so Joe’s getting my vote, but I’ll retain my right to dump on him and his party’s leadership til the end. honestly I feel like it’s my duty as an American.

xposts caek and DJP otm

but yes, i fear for the future. the progressive wonderland of 2009-10 briefly featured a democratic supermajority in the senate, too. this time around we might have *knock on wood* 53-54. I'm glad that biden's team allowed themselves to be pushed toward a much stronger policy. before this task force, they were advocating zero net emissions by 2050. now that's 2035. before it was a $1.7T over 10 years, now it's $2T over 4 years - that's almost 3 times more per year, and over a period of time that actually covers the presidential term rather than a wishlist for future fascist spending.

these are good things, significantly better than before. it's not the plan that bernie sanders would have proposed, that's for sure. but it's probably getting close to what elizabeth warren would have landed on. and regardless, yes of course they will be significantly watered down, potentially destroyed, during the negotiations with the republicans, everyone knows that.

i do think that the political climate, both in the senate and also across the country, is a little different than in 2009-10. it seems easy to predict that the republicans will unanimously stonewall anything that has to do with a "green new deal". but i don't know - they may be in for an asskicking this november, and whoever is left will face the choice between going down in their own racist flames or compromising with democrats and going down in the racist flames of their supporters. along with that, democrats on climate change will face a decision between following all the proper procedures and traditions and waiting another 10-20 years to get another supermajority in the senate so they can actually pass a real green new deal without it being watered down, or they can pull a mitch mcconnell and get procedurally evil to accomplish what needs to happen

xps the difference is that dog probably deserves the steak tbh

Being unable to pass something is not the same thing as straight-up lying to you to secure your vote. If you think these people on both sides of the aisle are straight-up lying to you to get your vote, look at what the timelines of what they've tried to do once they've gotten into office. The majority of Obama's "broken promises" were attempts that failed or line items that were actively thwarted by other branches of government; ditto GWB. You will find the same pattern with GHWB and Clinton and Carter and Reagan and Trump. All of them tried to enact their platforms; it's borderline stupid to assume they won't given that these are the policies they are trying to enact.

There are fundamental differences between being unable to enact your platform, trying to enact your platform and failing, and making up shit people want to hear so you can get into office and do whatever you want, even if the end result is the same. Not every bad result is the outcome of malicious intent and it's wholly unhelpful to ascribe it when it isn't there. It's not about "trusting politicians"; it's about looking at the history, following the actions of everyone involved, and realizing that none of this shit exists in a perfectly-formed vacuum.

my mistrust of the Democratic Party stems from the fact that many of their ostensible progressive policy goals are antithetical to capital

What are the odds that by January the economy is such a disaster that a handful of Rs sign on to a massive climate bill because"jobs"?

What are the odds that in 2024 the lingering effects of this calamity are blamed on Joe Biden, should he win the presidency, regardless of what he does or how effective it is?

its being blamed on him right now

If only he hadn't personally put a stop to coronavirus testing back in 2015.

headline for today's white house propaganda eblast: "have you considered eating cake?"

Ivanka Trump: College Isn’t the Only Job Path, ‘Find Something New’

What are the odds that in 2024 the lingering effects of this calamity are blamed on Joe Biden, should he win the presidency, regardless of what he does or how effective it is?

― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, July 14, 2020 10:34 AM (seventeen minutes ago)bookmarkflaglink

its being blamed on him right now

― frogbs, Tuesday, July 14, 2020 10:40 AM (eleven minutes ago)

coronavirus is 50% biden's fault, 50% obama's fault, tbf

thanks, coronabamen!

I think most of us know it's all up to left-leaning Dems (and the Dem Socs) to pressure a Biden admin, and I do mean nonstop, bcz aside from the "back to never thinking about the prez again" types, the Pelosi/Schumer fanclubs will be content with owning the Republican supervillains by, idk, wearing red dresses and tweeting the latest meme.

Remember when climate change was going to be the #1 campaign issue?

ok wow from this stolid institutionalist:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/14/joe-biden-2020-filibuster-360587

DJP is OTM up there

DJP is otm and it reminds me of an awful exchange with a pink rose brigand friend of a friend to whom I tried to explain how legislation gets passed.

What are the odds that in 2024 the lingering effects of this calamity are blamed on Joe Biden, should he win the presidency, regardless of what he does or how effective it is?

Republicans will do this even if Donald Trump is still President in 2024.

just like Obama got blamed for the 2008 meltdown. I'm sure the Biden people expect it.

i'm not ascribing evil intent to every democratic politician operating within the confines of how Business Gets Done in DC ca 2020, but I certainly don't think it's controversial to note that legislation will typically won't even make it to the sausage grinder if it's not signed off by the donor class first. that's unambiguously awful.

ok wow from this stolid institutionalist:

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/14/joe-biden-2020-filibuster-360587

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, July 14, 2020 12:03 PM (thirteen minutes ago)

this seems....really big? and a very good thing?

Former Vice President Joe Biden on Monday signaled he would be open to the Senate ending its practice of imposing a 60-vote threshold for most legislation, a positional shift from the Democratic presidential nominee who spent more than 35 years as a senator.

In comments to journalists Monday that were reported by The New York Times, Biden said he hoped to create systemic change on an array of issues in the U.S. and said he was open to measures that would allow legislation to pass the Senate with a simple majority vote.

...“I do think we’ve reached a point, a real inflection in American history. And I don’t believe it’s unlike what Roosevelt was met with,” Biden told reporters on Monday. “I think we have an opportunity to make some really systemic change.”

...Biden’s comments come amid a shift in messaging from traditionally centrist Democrats, who now are no longer ruling out aggressive action to pass legislation. Most prominently, Biden ally Sen. Chris Coons (D-Del.) told POLITICO in June that he would not rule out banning the filibuster.

“I will not stand idly by for four years and watch the Biden administration's initiatives blocked at every turn,” Coons said. “I am gonna try really hard to find a path forward that doesn't require removing what's left of the structural guardrails, but if there's a Biden administration, it will be inheriting a mess, at home and abroad. It requires urgent and effective action.”

In 2017, Coons spearheaded a letter to support the filibuster and block measures from fellow Democrats to eliminate it.

the Coons thing, too. and i like how Biden is explicitly tying it to FDR/New Deal. this is not "winning", but this is a good sign