love* in the time of plague (and by love* i mean brexit* and other dreary matters of uk politics)

BREAKING
It will be compulsory to wear a mask in supermarkets & other shops from 24th July, govt announces - £100 fine for those who disobey. Use of face coverings in other settings 'under review'.

— Hugo Gye (@HugoGye) July 13, 2020

What happened to Gove and his trust in the common sense of the British public?

lol at ‘from 24th july’, like the deadly virus is just gonna chill for the next week-and-a-half

You obviously can't wear a mask if you're eating or drinking, looking forward to seeing them get forensically questioned on this anomaly

Shops now legally obliged to treat masks as PPE I assume

Can't buy a mask because I can't go in a shop because I haven't got a mask.

Vending machines outside.

(seriously though, I've never seen one for sale, but then I have only been in two shops in the last 4 months)

that's two more than me. You can get a cotton mask for a few quid on ebay.

I saw some on sale on Morrisons the other day, first time ever.

I guess the big shops will all have people handing them out outside, makes no sense to turn customers away for the negligible cost of a mask

In the early days of lock down, some things seemed fast changing. But it seems curious that it has taken until now (plus a few weeks) to get to the point that masks should be mandatory in shops. But it seems even more curious that Gove was briefing that this wouldn't happen until a few hours ago. Are our government that sketchy or is this all designed to make Gove seem a bit sketchy??

wtf - why were these preparations not started months ago when we got past the crisis crisis period and things stabilised a bit and we learned more about the behaviour of this thing?
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/14/action-to-stop-winter-covid-19-second-wave-in-uk-must-start-now

The same reason the country wasn't told to wear masks in shops back in March. The same reason we locked down two weeks too late. The same reason we didn't have enough PPE or testing infrastructure. The same reason they allowed hospitals to decant patients straight into care homes without checking for the virus.

In an attempt to explain the mixed messages, Downing Street insiders said the intention had been to announce the change later in the week but, with Labour seizing on Gove’s comments to demand a statement on the issue from Matt Hancock, the grid was ripped up.

They dismissed Gove’s comments as a “good old-fashioned fuck up”, rather than an indication of disagreement inside government about the right approach.

https://www.ft.com/content/804175d0-8b47-4427-9853-2aded76f48e4?

The Huawei thing is coming up again today - the government agreeing to the backbenchers' demands and the backbenchers saying it's not good enough.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2020/jul/13/uk-expected-u-turn-huawei-fails-to-satisfy-tory-rebels

I'm sure they all have varying reasons but it definitely feels like there's a wedge of the parliamentary Tory party that's explicitly pursuing US trade goals over UK ones.

some of those lads really miss the Cold War

meanwhile Labour going after soft meaningless target Gove instead of asking why supermarkets are less safe than pubs, restaurants and schools

I'm very happy with the cheap Huawei tablet I bought as a replacement for the kid's ipad that crapped out after 5 months, not fucking with overpriced + overrated American junk again!

bit of cheer for once (if it can actually be enforced)

This might seem like a small victory in the grand scheme of things, but it's an important one. "No DSS" (ie no one on housing benefit) has been all too common on lettings adverts for private rented homes. Today a judge has ruled that it is discriminatory. This is brilliant news. https://t.co/FXpS1I6hhV

— Tom Copley (@tomcopley) July 14, 2020

Sunak looking for the V-shaped recovery but the GDP rise of 1.8% May disappointing. Economists expected rise of +5.0%.

Suggests hopes of a rapid rebound from the lockdown may be too optimistic & full economic recovery could take longer than many people had anticipated

— Beth Rigby (@BethRigby) July 14, 2020

Gove isn't a meaningless target, he's at the top table with Johnson and Cummings with oversight over all Cabinet decisions and a potential future leader. Not getting a kick in when he's being publicly contradicted/hung out by Downing Street would be a wasted opportunity.

'Why are pubs and schools more safe than shops?' is the important question though you're right. A well ventilated M&S is probably a lot safer without a mask than a lot of pubs, especially smaller/older ones. But of course no one would want to wear a mask while drinking, which would further undermine the whole return-to-normality shadow puppet show.

Obviously the government undermined public trust in itself at an absolutely key moment in the pandemic so it makes perfect sense that millions of people don't believe them now they're saying it's safe. Going back and forward on masks compounds that.

well quite

i think Gove is meaningless in this sense because there's nothing much to hang on him here, a difference of opinion, easy to spin as not incompetence, just a lazy zing. there's nothing there to exert any pressure on him or Johnson

whereas the mixed messaging is front and centre now in the rules themselves and it's either incompetence or negligence

i guess what's irking me is that Labour *seem to be* holding back on exploiting that mixed message because it would commit them to saying "opening the pubs was wrong"

Lab have missed millions of opportunities. Where is track and trace, why have Lab allowed this to disappear from the headlines.

this constructive opposition nonsense is going come back and bite them on the arse when it becomes completely clear that opening the pubs was a terrible decision for this country and they are all closed again. Labour are supposed to capitalise on Tory fuck-ups not share the blame with them.

i don't know what they think their game is but saying "we told you so" after tens of thousands more deaths is not gonna make them any more popular than intervening now

i realise as i type this i'm not outraged, it's like the residue of where i should care, but still, whoever was in opposition, there's a minimum duty to repeatedly call out this homicidal shitshow

Johnson will gleefully throw the blame back at them anyway, he's already using the "do you support this or not?" line at PMQs.

It probably won't work because people will blame the government anyway but Labour won't be able to fully capitalise on it either.

when I say capitalise, I don't mean lol loads of your family got da Rona in because of pubs and you didn't listen fule! I mean getting some respect and moral authority from taking a correct stance, even if it isn't a popular one at the time.

yeah sometimes you have to oppose on a point of principle

Maybe they just agree with the government.

The problem for Labour is what happens if opening the pubs doesn't fuck up, which I think is unlikely but still a significant enough possibility. Then it can be spun as gambling with livelihoods instead as lives.

I do think that people's memories for what opposition parties do and don't say can be pretty short - Cameron was saying Labour weren't spending enough until the exact point when he started saying the opposite and no one seemed to particularly notice or care.

chances are that pubs will be the main vector for new infections in the coming weeks and months but without proper track and trace i think the government could easily prolong the infections by saying there’s not enough evidence to close them down again

as wins pointed out to me last week pubs are maybe the only part of England with anything like a functional track and trace at the moment

i think the reasons for Starmzy's lack of full-throated opposition are various but let's remember the soft cunt took a photo op pulling a pint on July 4 ffs

The big thing is going to be in August when people start travelling all over the country. The rona has been reasonably contained within regions up until now but that's all going to go out of the window soon.

I do think that people's memories for what opposition parties do and don't say can be pretty short - Cameron was saying Labour weren't spending enough until the exact point when he started saying the opposite and no one seemed to particularly notice or care.

I suspect the media are going to spend a lot more energy pointing up the inconsistencies in a Labour opposition than and Tory opposition.

xp that's true, cross-community transmission will be the real source of mayhem

In that thread I posted from Lewis Goddall a few weeks back it said a significant % were not travelling anywhere.

A lot of people will not go to the pub. They will probably avoid cinemas and pubs too, and maybe that's perhaps our best chance of avoiding 50k + deaths, although that will simultaneously fuck the economy up.

one of my local boozer's The Fox and Hounds had someone test positive and was closed on the 6th. The comment from the landlord made me lol, wasn't along the lines of isn't test, track and trace great? no it was more like fuck my fucking luck!

How's the Lack Horse been doing?

Went to two pubs on Saturday - one where we sat outdoors, one in - and the spacing was good, servers took orders at tables and wore masks/gloves. I am not a regular pubgoer and wear masks and sometimes gloves in shops, and gloves at my regular outdoor farmer’s market shift. I’ll cop to disliking masks outdoors.

xp

not passed that awful place since the opening night on the 4th, but have been watching the Savile Arms from a distance, that's a small more posher pub by the rectory and quite an historic pub that has remained unchanged since forever as seen in photos of it from the 19th century. No social distancing going on, but it's quite a small place - if there is dozen in there it's full capacity. That will be a Rona zone at some point.

wondering if masks are any good for mitigating hayfever? could be an unexpected benefit of wearing one out and about

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ec4MDbnWkAAeCDO?format=jpg&name=medium

absolutely sickmaking

Not much of a one for boycotts but Spoons are pretty easy to avoid

Second pint well named there.

Also on the economic thing - I think we're in a different position to the US (except maybe New York) but the absolute explosion of the virus in the States is making a lot of British people think twice about going out anywhere, even in parts of the country where it is reasonably safe. That's going to be a big drag on any recovery.

A proper line of attack from Labour could be that the government is dithering and delaying on public safety. Voters seem to hate dithering more than anything else and this particular linen has the virtue of being true.

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/jul/14/cultural-rescue-package-artists-institutions-covid-19?

This is on the package for the arts, and another one for the freelancers are fucked file.