Mostly Apolitical Thread for Discussing/Venting our Rational/Irrational COVID-19 Fears and Experiences in 2020

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oh! it's almost like all the things teachers were asking for all along were actually important?!!?!?!??!

also, again, please stop erasing nontraditional college students from the discussion

weird woman in a bar (La Lechera), Monday, 13 July 2020 19:00 (three years ago) link

Also worth noting that a majority of college-age people are taking Covid and everything else that is going on in this shithole much more seriously than the generations older than them. If they aren't, to be honest, I don't blame them, because getting blackout drunk is a lot easier to do than confronting the fact that an enormous section of the American populace, including its leaders, have fucked any chance of normalcy they could ever imagine for the rest of their lives

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 10:44 (three years ago) link

But yes to La Lechera, too. My husband will be getting his associate's degree this fall, he's 35.

Tbh we're thinking of applying to schools in other countries, me for a PhD and him for his BA or BS

blue light or electric light (the table is the table), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 10:46 (three years ago) link

At the risk of leaning into the "mostly apolitical" part of the thread title, it seems the new guy Trump put into to destroy the USPS from the inside is doing a bang up job of things!

I do NOT say this to be alarmist, but the new Postmaster General is actively working to destroy the product, service, and integrity of the USPS. PLEASE, if you care about your mail service, especially at a time when it allows you to stay home in a pandemic, read this thread.

— Letter Carriers for Antifa Chapter President (@DingusJMcGee) July 12, 2020

On a related personal angle, the package of records I ordered from Woodsist got shipped to me on June 3rd from Long Island. This morning, almost a full six weeks later, it finally made it to the distribution center in... New Jersey.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 13:45 (three years ago) link

there seems to be one piece of direct evidence in that thread, and it's a tweet that no longer exists:

The directives, shown below, even if implemented at peak efficiency, would pale in comparison to the repeal of the 2006 PAEA that required 70 years of retiree prefunding. But right-wingers don't want to touch that, because they WANT that poison pillhttps://t.co/j70GFtyBPp

— Letter Carriers for Antifa Chapter President (@DingusJMcGee) July 12, 2020

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 15:57 (three years ago) link

it's not that i don't trust Letter Carriers for Antifa Chapter President @DingusJMcGee, and i wholly believe that the appointed postmaster general probably really is trying to destroy USPS from within. but goddamn people, get some evidence

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 15:58 (three years ago) link

otherwise you're just a person telling stories about what you heard

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 15:59 (three years ago) link

here's a reply:

People is the post office have asked me to share these since they can't due to fear of backlash pic.twitter.com/5F7otO5hHo

— Kessie Vao @ Onlyfans (@KessieVao) July 13, 2020

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 16:02 (three years ago) link

the POOMs and only the POOMs

Blursday the Vagueteenth of Whenember (Ye Mad Puffin), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 16:06 (three years ago) link

Yeah that Dingus McGee one might not have been the best to highlight, but I did think it summarized in one thread a lot of what I was seeing elsewhere, just more concentrated and easier to link to. The replies get interesting, as Karl Malone notes.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 16:09 (three years ago) link

Should we have a "Rolling USPS Dwath Spiral" thread?

Boring, Maryland, Tuesday, 14 July 2020 16:14 (three years ago) link

i don't know if that post above is the original "directive" that was linked to (and then removed). But if it is, that looks to me like a regional summary of a directive, not the directive itself. you can tell that from the final page - "many of the changes are good and should have been done years ago." lol. many of the changes are good! i'm gonna start saying that myself. but it's not what someone near the top would say.

pic.twitter.com/gvLejTklnw

— Kessie Vao @ Onlyfans (@KessieVao) July 13, 2020

as for the substance of it, we all know USPS is in deep shit, and we all know any trump political appointee should not be trusted and is probably literally a buddhist demon from the plane of thick red smoke. but read again what the primary complaint is about this whole plan, the directive. the twitter complaint starts by just saying that the evil plan is to do a worse job of delivering the mail, to do it more slowly. well...maybe. but more immediately, the only thing in the directive (or the powerpoint summary of the directives by the regional employee?) that relates is on that first page:

"The USPS will no longer use excessive cost to get the basic job done. If the plants run late they will keep the mail for hte next day. If you get mail late and your carriers are gone and you cannot get the mail without OT it will remain for the next day. It must be reported in CSDRS."

here's how the #resistance tweeter briefly alludes to that: "Now, in a futile effort to curb overtime (which could be addressed be hiring additional staff, or better training new staff to reduce turnover), we are simply saying "the people of the US will simply have to deal with indefinite delays for their mail."

sorry, but this is a person with good intentions who doesn't know wtf is going on. hire more staff? train more staff? for an organization that is being financially ruined by republicans? these crappy results - slow mail, no OT, internal dysfunction - are primarily the result of underfunding and a political party that would rather kiss the ass of private delivery companies than support a government function that helps people.

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 16:16 (three years ago) link

Alright, sorry for sharing that Karl. I didn't expect to have to answer for every one of the points made, I just thought it was a decent(ish) summary of complaints and comments I've been seeing in various reddit forums and other places. Not saying it's all true or correct summaries being made, but given that it's pretty widely acknowledged that the USPS is an horrible place right now I think it's interesting to get a sense of what some of the employees are thinking (misguided as it might be).

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 16:23 (three years ago) link

anyway, sorry to focus in too much on that one tweet, jon/via/chi. i know you were just pointing to it as a clue toward the recent USPS dysfunction, not as some sort of court-ready affidavit. sometimes i do get a little irritated with the widespread sharing of the equivalent of gossip, but that's a twitter thing

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 16:24 (three years ago) link

whoops, xpost!

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 16:24 (three years ago) link

It's fair, I should have been a little less lazy and linked to some specific tweets instead of just the whole thread.

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 16:26 (three years ago) link

no worries, i do that all the time, and 100x worse. sorry to make you feel bad about it, it's not a big deal!

it does make me feel even worse for the employees, though. they're already walking in masks through covid hotspots on a daily basis, and on top of that their org is run by evil clowns and they have to deal with customers who are (justifiably) angry about the service but don't quite understand the underlying reasons driving the poor service. a lot of people end up just blaming the mail delivery person, because they're the most real and proximate thing to shake a fist at

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 16:28 (three years ago) link

sorry to make you feel bad about it, it's not a big deal!

(...and i shouldn't put "it's not a big deal!" at the end of that! it makes it sound like i'm telling you that you feeling bad about it is not a big deal, when in fact i meant "what you posted was not a big deal, i just made a big deal out of it.)

(can you tell i've been in several different arguments with friends and loved ones recently over the use of our language, our intentions, and listening? i feel like a fucking monster)

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 16:31 (three years ago) link

Everyone is simultaneously an emotional water balloon and a prickly pear atm, let us all recognize and accept, namaste

Well, that's a fine howdy adieu! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 16:45 (three years ago) link

Not to get political but I would love and appreciate to hear (ahem) WHOEVER is president next year say, 'hey, let's make funding for mental health a priority now that literally everyone in this country is suffering trauma and maybe some degree of mental illness'.

Well, that's a fine howdy adieu! (Old Lunch), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 16:50 (three years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/YYPvpRI.jpg

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 14 July 2020 16:52 (three years ago) link

Rumors bubbling up in Houston that Abbott is shutting Texas down for a month with an announcement coming Friday.

Cow_Art, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 03:30 (three years ago) link

Rumors bubbling up in Houston that Abbott is shutting Texas down for a month with an announcement coming Friday.

Cow_Art, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 03:30 (three years ago) link

Whatever bubbles up, bubbles up in Houston that Abbott is shutting Texas down for a month with an announcement coming Friday.

bat ain't Thad (sic), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 04:12 (three years ago) link

down for a month in Texas with the bubbles up for an announcement coming Friday, whatever Abbott's shutting down for a month in Texas with the bubbles up for an announcement coming Friday, whatever Abbott's shutting down

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 04:43 (three years ago) link

"sandlot montage"

"that was the greatest summer of my lahf"

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 04:43 (three years ago) link

wish we could shut Abbott down for a month

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 04:46 (three years ago) link

Extremely doubtful that Abbott is shutting down the state. He might loosen the reins for local authorities to do so.

Donald Trump Also Sucks, Of Course (milo z), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 04:48 (three years ago) link

whatever bubbles, bubbles up

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 04:52 (three years ago) link

bus driver's last words to you as you walk toward the river with his company's raft: "hey, and don't forget to look up!"

*gestures toward the beautiful sky framed by tall trees on both edges of the water*

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 04:53 (three years ago) link

i let it rain
let it rain
let it rain

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 04:58 (three years ago) link

3 months in and the bloke with the noisy fan still doesn't know to mute when he's not speaking on zoom calls.

koogs, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 09:19 (three years ago) link

person whose meeting it is can mute him

assert (MatthewK), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 09:22 (three years ago) link

Just had a drive through test (UK). Very efficient, lots of people in hi-viz directing you to different gazebo covered parking spots for instructions, testing, and drop off. You ring up someone standing outside the car for instructions, windows only open long enough for someone to drop a bag with testing kit into your lap, and then for you to drop it into a collecting bin after. Hardest thing was trying to stick a swab down the throat of our 1 year old. Chap giving instructions told me my job was to "run interference" i.e. wave my phone torch around to distract her while my wife did the swabbing. Easier said than done.

neith moon (ledge), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 10:43 (three years ago) link

Interesting, when I had my drive through test a nurse in full PPE leaned through the window and did two jabs in the throat and one poke of the brain ( through the sinus). Can imagine how terrifying that would be for a 1 year old.

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 10:57 (three years ago) link

samesies

assert (MatthewK), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 11:24 (three years ago) link

yeah you have to do it for kids under a certain age yourself; we didn't really do the sinus poke, instructions said push the swab into the nose "until you feel some resistance", that's pretty much instantly for a baby.

neith moon (ledge), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 11:41 (three years ago) link

that poke up the nostril was far from pleasant when i had it done. Livable but totally ow. Wouldn't like taht to happen if i had no idea what was going on, like a 1 year old would be facing.

Stevolende, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 11:43 (three years ago) link

> person whose meeting it is can mute him

he was running the meeting!

koogs, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 13:07 (three years ago) link

One of the benefits of google meet is that anyone can mute anyone.

American Fear of Scampos (Ed), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 13:13 (three years ago) link

problem is, it always goes like this in my meetings

(someone breathing heavily, eating potato chips, having private convo)

"Put yourselves on mute, plz"

(person continues to sound like they're humping the fridge)

"mute, please"

(noise continues)

"ok, fuck it" (I mute them)

~20 minutes later, they type to me in chat "I"m trying to talk, but you can't hear me!!!"~

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 13:23 (three years ago) link

this is WebEx tho, we're moving to Microsoft Teams now.

I hear that sometimes Satan wants to defund police (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 13:23 (three years ago) link

My mother in law got that brain swab and described it as one of the most unpleasant experiences she's ever had. But my wife's drive-thru experience here was the same as ledge. Drive up, they drop a kit through the window, you swab the entry of your nose (not a deep brain probe), put everything back in the baggie and drop it in the bin. She got her results back really fast. Speaking of waits, she got an antibody test a few weeks back and received her results within a couple of days. Now the place she went to is saying there's a big backlog and at least a 10 day wait for results.

I brought my girls in for their annual check-ups yesterday. While I was chatting with the doctor I asked if there was any reason either of my kids should get an antibody test, and she said nah, she's been doing tons of tests, and even people who were really ill in February or March keep coming up negative. She said there was even someone she tested who had been confirmed positive for Covid yet three months later still hadn't tested positive for antibodies, which she found curious. Then I mentioned that *I* had tested positive for antibodies in early June, and she lit up and said "oh, your daughter should totally get tested!" It took a minute of convincing my needle-averse teen, but she ultimately went for it and said the blood draw wasn't too bad. She decided it was worth it to sate our collective curiosity.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 13:30 (three years ago) link

this is WebEx tho, we're moving to Microsoft Teams now

there's another Simon at my work and I keep getting added to Teams meetings I can't seem to completely exit / opt out of. otherwise Teams is cool

k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 13:33 (three years ago) link

xpost i did the blood donation/antibody test, waiting on results, not just for that, but cos I awnna fuckin' know what blood type I am finally

Lady Antibody (Neanderthal), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 13:34 (three years ago) link

It's good to know! The Red Cross even gives you a little donor card. Well, a virtual card, but still.

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 13:52 (three years ago) link

Copied the article here in case it gets paywalled, but this is from the Washington Post about the USPS status. When this was tweeted out last night, there were a number of responses from USPS workers and spouses commenting how they've been having to end their days with still fairly full trucks because of these new rules. Maybe we do need a rolling USPS death spiral thread.

The new head of the U.S. Postal Service established major operational changes Monday that could slow down mail delivery, warning employees the agency would not survive unless it made “difficult” changes to cut costs. But critics say such a philosophical sea change would sacrifice operational efficiency and cede its competitive edge to UPS, FedEx and other private-sector rivals.

Postmaster General Louis DeJoy told employees to leave mail behind at distribution centers if it delayed letter carriers from their routes, according to internal USPS documents obtained by The Washington Post and verified by the American Postal Workers Union and three people with knowledge of their contents, but who spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid retribution.

“If the plants run late, they will keep the mail for the next day,” according to a document titled, “New PMG’s [Postmaster General’s] expectations and plan.” Traditionally, postal workers are trained not to leave letters behind and to make multiple delivery trips to ensure timely distribution of letters and parcels.

Top Republican fundraiser and Trump ally named postmaster general, giving president new influence over Postal Service

The memo cited U.S. Steel, a onetime industry titan that was slow to adapt to market changes, to illustrate what is at stake. “In 1975 they were the largest company in the world,” the memo states. “They are gone.” (U.S. Steel is a $1.7 billion company with 27,500 employees.)

Analysts say the documents present a stark reimagining of the USPS that could chase away customers — especially if the White House gets the steep package rate increases it wants — and put the already beleaguered agency in deeper financial peril as private-sector competitors embark on hiring sprees to build out their own delivery networks.

President Trump on April 24 called the U.S. Postal Service a “joke” and said they should raise rates on some services. (The Washington Post)
Congress authorized the USPS to borrow an additional $10 billion from the Treasury Department for emergency operations in an early coronavirus relief bill. But postal leaders have yet to access the money over disagreements with Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin, who attached terms on the loan that would turn over operations of much of the Postal Service to his department.

The Postal Service’s governing board appointed DeJoy, a major Trump donor and seasoned logistics executive, in the middle of that back-and-forth.

Steep drop-offs in first-class and marketing mail, the Postal Service’s most profitable items, have exacerbated the USPS’s cash crisis; postal leaders predicted at the start of the pandemic that their agency would be insolvent by October without congressional intervention. Single-piece, first-class mail volume fell 15 to 20 percent week to week in April and May, agency leaders told lawmakers last month. Marketing mail, the hardest-hit segment, tumbled 30 to 50 percent week to week during the same period.

Skyrocketing package volume, up 60 to 80 percent in May as the coronavirus pandemic made consumers more reliant on delivery services, has propped up the Postal Service’s finances and staved off immediate financial calamity. But the packages also have intensified the USPS’s competition with Amazon, FedEx and UPS, industry leaders looking to capitalize on enduring changes in consumer habits brought on by shelter-in-place orders. (Amazon founder and chief executive Jeff Bezos owns The Washington Post.)

The Trump administration has consolidated control over the Postal Service, traditionally an apolitical institution, during the pandemic by making a financial lifeline for the nation’s mail service contingent upon the White House political agenda. President Trump in April called the agency “a joke” and demanded it quadruple package rates before he’d authorize any emergency aid or loans.

Trump says he will block coronavirus aid for U.S. Postal Service if it doesn’t hike prices immediately

The Postal Service’s future needs to be as a low-cost package carrier, industry analysts contend, as parcels make up a growing portion of the agency’s volume and profits, and paper mail volumes continue to decline as coupons and bills increasingly move online. Postal leaders project the agency could run out of money between March and October 2021.

“If this is true, it would be a real concern to customers if service were slowed, especially in light of the fact that the Postal Service may get more rate authority, meaning higher rates, later this year or early next year,” said Art Sackler, manager of the Coalition for a 21st Century Postal Service, an industry group whose members include Amazon, eBay, Hallmark and other commercial mailers.

“This is framing the U.S. Postal Service, a 245-year-old government agency, and comparing it to its competitors that could conceivably go bankrupt,” said Philip Rubio, a professor of history at North Carolina A&T State University and a former postal worker. “Comparing it to U.S. Steel says exactly that ‘We are a business, not service.’ That’s troubling.”

The changes also worry vote-by-mail advocates, who insist that any policy that slows delivery could imperil access to mailed and absentee ballots. It reinforces the need, they say, for Congress to provide the agency emergency coronavirus funding.

“Attacks on USPS not only threaten our economy and the jobs of 600,000 workers. With our states now reliant on mail voting to continue elections during the pandemic, the destabilizing of the post office is a direct attack on American democracy itself,” said Rep. Bill Pascrell Jr. (D-N.J.). “It has been 59 days since the House passed $25 billion to keep USPS alive. The Senate must pass it now. Democracy hangs in the balance.”

The Postal Service said in a statement that it was “developing a business plan to ensure that we will be financially stable and able to continue to provide reliable, affordable, safe and secure delivery of mail, packages and other communications to all Americans as a vital part of the nation’s critical infrastructure.”

Postal Service to review package delivery fees as Trump influence grows

It said the plan was not finalized, but would include “new and creative ways for us to fulfill our mission, and we will focus immediately on efficiency and items that we can control, including adherence to the effective operating plans that we have developed.”

But the documents circulated Monday on shop floors around the country called for specific changes in the way postal workers will do their jobs.

“Every single employee will receive this information, no matter what job they perform, so remember that YOU are an integral part of the success we will have — again, by working together,” the second document states.

“The shifts are simple, but they will be challenging, as we seek to change our culture and move away from past practices previously used,” it adds.

The first memo says the agency will prohibit overtime and strictly curtail the use of other measures local postmasters use to ameliorate staffing shortages.

Even a common method for mail delivery — “park points,” in which letter carriers park their mail trucks at the end of a street, deliver mail items by foot for several blocks, then return to the trucks and drive on — is under scrutiny. The document bans carriers from taking more than four “park points” on their routes and claims “park points are abused, not cost effective and taken advantage of.”

Under siege from Trump, U.S. Postal Service finds surprising financial upside in pandemic

“It’s like a riot act,” Rubio said.

“Overtime is being used because people need their packages in this pandemic,” said Mark Dimondstein, president of the American Postal Workers Union, which represents 200,000 USPS employees. “They need their mail in this pandemic. They need their medicines in this pandemic. They need their census forms. They need ballot information.”

The second memo says the Postal Service will first look to cut its transportation costs, and estimates that late and extra trips cost the agency $200 million annually in “added expenses,” or about the same amount the agency lost in May. The memo warns postal workers that it may be “difficult” to “see mail left behind or mail on the workroom floor,” but that the agency “will address root causes of these delays and adjust the very next day.”

Postal union leaders condemned the measures and said customer service is being sacrificed for only meager cost savings.

“I would tell our members that this is not something that as postal workers we should accept,” Dimondstein said. “It’s not something that the union you belong to is going to accept.”

soaring skrrrtpeggios (jon /via/ chi 2.0), Wednesday, 15 July 2020 14:00 (three years ago) link

The memo cited U.S. Steel, a onetime industry titan that was slow to adapt to market changes, to illustrate what is at stake. “In 1975 they were the largest company in the world,” the memo states. “They are gone.” (U.S. Steel is a $1.7 billion company with 27,500 employees.)

love the aside

brownie, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 14:21 (three years ago) link

A few weeks back I was surprised to see stores (and specifically Trader Joe's) so well stocked with hand sanitizer again. I got myself a little pump dispenser for the counter, but was dismayed to discover that it smelled like, for lack of a better description, rotten potatoes. TJ's apologized and refunded my money. Just last week, however, I learned that not only is stinky hand sanitizer a thing, but why!

https://www.nytimes.com/wirecutter/blog/why-hand-sanitizers-smell/

Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 15:02 (three years ago) link

I can't stand those rotten egg-smelling cleaning products

Nhex, Wednesday, 15 July 2020 15:05 (three years ago) link


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