Free Speech and Creepy Liberalism

he deleted the tweet because he knew it made him look stupid, but yet..

well he showed his ass didn't he

a true scotsman isn't afraid to be wrong

Xxxxxp....for me, like, the ability to loudly and openly flout social conventions is a very big deal. and that's something i'm very conscious of all the time, and i feel very fortunate to have that kind of freedom. It is not something I could ever take for granted, and maybe i can't afford to. Not just to be able to celebrate pride, though certainly also that. But to indulge, sometimes publicly, in my individual eccentricities. Which are considerable.

...And I do consider that, ultimately, to be a major success of Liberalism. I would not consider it a failing because it did not come easily, or painlessly, or quickly. And that's mainly what I wanted to add here.

Any thought Brian? Really now? Love too hear that you’re being persecuted for your opinions on the heroes of Bloody Sunday though, imagine how the families feel.

xp ...Now I am not an educated person. I never wrote a thesis on Derrida, I didn't go to college. I never even finished high school; I barely know who Aristotle is. Imposter syndrome otoh, I know a little about. I am not a real Arab. I am not American. I am not a real Persian, because my lineage, and my language, is Iraqi. I am not really Autistic. I am not high-functioning. I'm not really gifted, and I am not really disabled. I'm not really gay. I've been attracted to other men only, both romantically and sexually, but I am terrified of sex and do not desire to have sex with other men. I am not a real man, and I'm not a real boy. I am only a fraud. I do not exist.

Cox is absolutely being a liberal there. That's just what they say. I should just have the right to speech, and if that veers into hate speech, well, too bad.

"All lives Matter" has always been used as to counter BLM and if you used it you are definitely not smart, and I am not waiting to find you out whether you are a bigot.

....One of the questions I get asked a lot, to this day, is "what are you?" and I understand that when they ask me this, what they mean is "why aren't you white?"

People ask you "what are you"? Apart from the dreaded "where are you from" you'll undoubtedly get as well? That's absurd.

doubtless liberals!

tbf the movie Get Out very neatly attacked a certain pattern of thinking in elite liberal circles - wanting to quantify what people are in order to exploit them along identitarian lines

but again, this represents just as elitist a corruption of the liberal ethic as brian cox's lamentable flapping

if the person you’re “debating” won’t let the conversation move past ‘well actually I think it should be called egalitarianism’. Which is the whole reason that tactic is employed in the first place.
― scampos mentis (gyac), Monday, 13 July 2020 bookmarkflaglink

Liberalism is full of performers with what they think are clever debating tactics. People there solely to suck the air out of the room. This thing that is someone's life is just not that important to them.

Then they vote Lib Dem or Green in an election and allow the Tory in. Oops, didn't mean that! The Observer or this tactical app told me this is what I should do. It kills people.

i know you are bored and are whipping me up to say this, but: i voted for corbyn both times, please go and jump off a cliff or something

This Brian Space guy is the worst kind of liberal coward. Taking down that post is some weak shit. Either stand corrected, or stand your ground and offer to fight anyone who disagrees, not this mishmash of cowardice and self-importance. Come out punching if you mean it bro

lol and i know "i voted for obama, twice" is a line in get out i know i knowwwww

Lol the liberal is just telling me to kill myself now. It's what they do.

Liberals ARE going to the gulags because deep down they know they have no fight in them. Their fear isn't performative, they know they are out of shape, but more importantly lack any form of courage. This is why there is no respect for them

Treeship, apropos of nothing I'd like to have it on record that I enjoyed your post about Derrida et al. I've been putting in time reading and properly understanding his 'Monolingualism of the Other: or, The Prosthesis of Origin', where you lifted his language quote from. It's (for me) a tough read, but a very rewarding one.

as sealioning has been mentioned though why don't we talk about other illiberal debating tactics? such as

imago:

A liberal might and probably should think that all lives matter, but it's coded by now as revanchist anti-BLM language, so no liberal aware of this would be wise to say it, especially as a slogan.

xyzzzz:

"All lives Matter" has always been used as to counter BLM and if you used it you are definitely not smart, and I am not waiting to find you out whether you are a bigot.

and sure i'm now rallying my non-existent troops but what is this horseshit if not taking exactly what i said and spinning it so that not only did he say it first but that by implication i'm Bad or a Bigot - this isn't about cancel culture obv as a dislikeable dweeb like alphie could never hope to cancel me but it is about disingenuous point-scoring. idk what my actual point is here other than that once again i'm rattled

Lol the liberal is just telling me to kill myself now. It's what they do.

― xyzzzz__, Monday, 13 July 2020 09:55 (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

you are without a doubt the most pathetic cunt on ilx. please just fuck off and leave me alone

fuck off

fuck off and die

Sorry for the crosstalk, breaking this up into multiple posts. So I am... someone who Intersectionalists could make a hearty alphabet soup out of (though I'd prefer if they didn't). I've been bullied, harassed, intimidated. I will never not be afraid of bullies.

But before all of that, In my earliest memories, I was persecuted by an oppressive regime.

The thing that scares me about Intersectionalism, going back to that 1-2-3 post of j.'s and the 3 bit in particular. Is what is going to happen to the 'different' people who just fall between the cracks, the socially inept, the nerds and weirdos, the benevolent eccentrics who do not have identity groups to advocate for their needs. Who currently are permitted, ultimately -if perhaps not easily or painlessly- to go their own way without persecution, when we are no longer "individuals". When the demands for solidarity, for... what did the Harper's letter call it? "Ideological conformity"? have eclipsed our individuality. The freedom to not belong.

And I am hoping to be reassured that this concern is illegitimate.

yes, that's right - i told you to die why haven't you died yet

you are entirely useless you offer nothing you like nothing you bring nothing you are a chasm of shit

"idk what my actual point is here other than that once again i'm rattled"

Poor LJ you don't have a point, don't worry yourself thinking you did. At least j. has read a few books.

go to hell

you're a monster

LJ please.

Haha!

if the person you’re “debating” won’t let the conversation move past ‘well actually I think it should be called egalitarianism’. Which is the whole reason that tactic is employed in the first place.
― scampos mentis (gyac), Monday, 13 July 2020 bookmarkflaglink

Liberalism is full of performers with what they think are clever debating tactics. People there solely to suck the air out of the room. This thing that is someone's life is just not that important to them.

Then they vote Lib Dem or Green in an election and allow the Tory in. Oops, didn't mean that! The Observer or this tactical app told me this is what I should do. It kills people.

that cox tweet was fake fyi /capnsaveacox

Come back from space Brian, have you seen the mess you've left behind?

Sorry for the crosstalk, breaking this up into multiple posts. So I am... someone who Intersectionalists could make a hearty alphabet soup out of (though I'd prefer if they didn't). I've been bullied, harassed, intimidated. I will never not be afraid of bullies.

But before all of that, In my earliest memories, I was persecuted by an oppressive regime.

The thing that scares me about Intersectionalism, going back to that 1-2-3 post of j.'s and the 3 bit in particular. Is what is going to happen to the 'different' people who just fall between the cracks, the socially inept, the nerds and weirdos, the benevolent eccentrics who do not have identity groups to advocate for their needs. Who currently are permitted, ultimately -if perhaps not easily or painlessly- to go their own way without persecution, when we are no longer "individuals". When the demands for solidarity, for... what did the Harper's letter call it? "Ideological conformity"? have eclipsed our individuality. The freedom to not belong.

And I am hoping to be reassured that this concern is illegitimate.

― Deflatormouse, Monday, 13 July 2020 10:00 (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

genuinely, apologies for riding roughshod over your valuable train of thought with my own personal bs

coalition of weirdos unite :)

he was hacked by an asteroid

i have a sinking feeling that people are using 'liberal' to mean extremely different things again, depending on whether they are posting in the UK/europe (liberal=free-marketeer) or in the US (nominally left-of-center NPR-style political views)

kate's central point, that the 'rational public sphere' of which the internet (discord, ilx, what have you) is supposedly the apotheosis ('nobody knows you're a dog') has since its inception been a way of silencing and ignoring voices and bodies that have a 'positivity' - a positivity carefully cultivated through propaganda, commercial exchange, cultural production, etc - that marks them out as non-standard. this goes back to habermas (and probably further). it's just not enough to posit a public sphere in which status distinctions can simply be bracketed and set aside and now we're equal - because positing isn't enough to make it so. it frankly works as an alibi rather than a liberation project.

gyac - I don't know of that twitter thread. I'm referring to the Observer running their tactical options the weekend before and LJ going on about tactical voting, that kind of thing, despite voting for Corbyn with a heavy heart. The cunt couldn't wait for him to go.

I think it's very similar in the way liberals just wreck shit when they think they are being clever with debating tactics or apps etc.

i always supported corbyn and my vote was not with a heavy heart. i talked about tactical voting in precisely one constituency where the lib dems were clearly 2nd behind the tories in polling

i had misgivings about some of corbyn's presentation, which was at times weak, but i overwhelmingly agreed with his policy platform and thought he seemed like a stand-up human being

it is possible to be a liberal and in favour of corbyn. coherent even. corbyn was pushign a classic social democrat platform - in other words, left-liberal

btw i meant the alibi part went back to habermas (at least) not the silencing, obv!!

"i always supported corbyn and my vote was not with a heavy heart"

Put this show on for somebody else LJ.

Alphie would you ever cop yourself on, it adds less than nothing to the thread and we already have a thread to mess up with this.

LJ posted a thick as pigshit post on All Lives Matter, you picked up on it too, but yes I know nobody wants to read a tantrum from the only clever liberal.

A liberal might and probably should think that all lives matter, but it's coded by now as revanchist anti-BLM language, so no liberal aware of this would be wise to say it, especially as a slogan.

are you adding 'wilfully obtuse as fuck' to your charge sheet m8

Yeah that one! xp

Stopping posting it, it doesn't get any better

perhaps you will kindly explain to the gathered crowd what is thick as pigshit about it

All done m8