Fugazi: C or D?

in 2020 honestly who cares anymore?

Cows?

Cows were definitely not a straight edge band

Ha.

Coriky album is growing on me, although at times I wish I heard newer sounds from them other than just the Evens derived indie-folk. I love Joe Lally’s dub reggae and Ruts derived bass. On solo efforts he tried some more avant-jazzy stuff . Ha, not sure what I think he should do- Most more contemporary Jamaican sounds rely on programmed rhythms I guess. Other times I wish Ian’s vocal range would spread wider. I read someone suggest that this is the first time they have heard Ian’s guitar playing as reflecting some of the 60s era guitarists Ian says he listens to like Hendrix. I am not familiar with Amy Farina’s music interests but I do like her vocals . Qualms aside, the album is growing on me.

Ian says he listens to like Hendrix.

No joke, complete coincidence, yesterday was a very rare day I put on some Hendrix. I had it streaming on shuffle, and it played some song called "Jungle" from some leftovers album I don't own."Both Sides of the Sky?" Anyway, the second half of the song caught my ears, because it sounded a lot like the stuff Fugazi would explore, specifically "Suggestion." And then the next song I heard at random was a version of "Machine Gun" from "Live at Fillmore," and it sounded a bit like what Fugazi (at its jammiest, c. "End Hits") was up to as well! I can't find a link to "Jungle," but here is that version of "Machine Gun:"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lw2L_vGUMtE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEOqSYWYFTY

!!

I definitely didn't expect the Coriky album to suck or anything but I' really surprised by how much I like it given that I have never really connected with the Evens and always tended to prefer Guy's songs to Ian's. Really strong album though. Lally is a treasure

also I was just made aware there is a second Messthetics LP which I guess flew under the radar. I liked the first one quite a bit

Messthetics are ok to me. Guitarist Anthony Pirog gets too Art rock prog rock in his playing in the group for me. He is capable of playing anything- I have seen him do 50s rnb and rockabilly as well as avant-garde jazz. Ha, I liked him best doing the ‘50s stuff more than what he does in Messthetics. Brendan and Joe have that Fugazi rhythm section sound down of course.

the messthetics records are pretty corny, it's like listening to hot rats, but sometimes the mood is right and it really hits

guys who can "play anything" are rarely guys I really enjoy listening to somehow

the messthetics records are pretty corny, it's like listening to hot rats,

does not compute

I saw Messthetics play once, and I think I would have preferred just listening to Brendan and Joe, tbh.

https://www.celebritynetworth.com/richest-celebrities/singers/ian-mackaye-net-worth-2/

well he saved so much not buying beer or drugs, why not?

He still owns Dischord, right? So ... yeah, he's probably worth that, sure.

lol of course I looked at Rollins as well and he is $6 mil

those websites are notoriously unreliable. i just thought it was funny he was on there at all.

Rollins listens to records on a pair of speakers worth like $250k, $6mn seems like it might actually be low.

Rollins also acts.

I'm broadly pro-Rollins, but "acts" very much in scare quotes!

I mean literally, lol.

https://ih1.redbubble.net/image.808362073.3904/gptr,1400x,front,black-c,313,133,750,1000-bg,f8f8f8.u2.jpg

Ian McKaye owns real estate in Arlington Virginia and property values there have risen exponentially in the last 20 years. I have a feeling that’s most of his wealth and it’s not exact liquid so that he’s now lighting his doobs with $50 bills.

not lighting any doobs iirc

everyone got outraged over beto o'rourke not because he'd missed the point but because it was too painful to acknowledge that he hadn't

mackaye smokes weed has been a thing for decades I have no idea if there was ever any truth to it

not lighting any doobs iirc

Shit Velvet Puma

xps plz parse that Beto post for me

yeah 5 mil is nothing for someone who's owned NVA property since the 80s

In addition to Dischord, he also owns a for-profit corporation:

https://opencorporates.com/companies/us_dc/EXTUID_2814696

"Betonomics would have certain punk-rock edge"

He may be from inside the Beltway, but MacKaye is a Washington, D.C. native more familiar to Generation X college students than America’s political class. In the hagiographic profile of O’Rourke that Vanity Fair published to coincide with the candidate’s announcement of a 2020 White House run, he said of MacKaye: “I have so much reverence for him and he means so much to me in my life.” Your humble columnist can relate.

MacKaye fronted two seminal bands categorised as independent, or underground, rock during the last two decades of the 20th Century: Minor Threat and Fugazi. As influential as the music he produced was, it was more the ethos MacKaye and his bandmates adopted toward their craft that resonated. Fugazi was effectively a startup from which valuable lessons in governance, business and sustainability might be inferred about the way an O’Rourke administration will approach the American economy.

Fugazi capitalism would be inclusive, consumer-friendly and ethical. It would favor the interests of small businesses over corporations. It would reject cronyism. As O’Rourke described MacKaye, he “really did represent this super-ethical way, not just of being in a band, or running a label, or putting on shows, but of just living.”

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-united-states-economics-breakingviews-idUSKCN1R91H8

the notion of indie DIYism being revolutionary in some way has always been dubious but people really want(ed) to believe it

capitalist pig, "straight edge" pioneer, author of the most famous white nationalist hardcore song ever... your fave is problematic

I'm really not interested in purity tests, and sure I dig the music (and grew up in proximity), and idk where you got "fave", but sure at least two of those objections are legit. he's only a "capitalist pig" by having a clue about how to manage money, imo. but hey by your logic I'm a homeowner so I'm the enemy even tho I booked punk shows for almost a decade so I guess I'll have to be "problematic" as well

(FYI we probably agree on >90% of weirdo lefty niche shit, as I hope u have been able to tell from my posts re e.g. anarcho-primitivism)

wow ian you participated in capitalism....disappointing

I like fugazi lol don't take it too personally. everyone is problematic. loads of my favourite artists are capitalist pigs. it's just fun to pick on someone whose upright/uptight moralism is such a huge part of his public profile. (almost wrote brand which I know he'd really hate)

I mean, it's easy to say it but they did the shows for almost nothing when they could have gotten $20 at least at their peak, and didn't have merch but instead would have amnesty international booths instead of t shirts

Left - copy that, and thanks for providing the Beto context! which was indeed gag-worthy

I know you're not mounting a Serious Critique but...I mean, I'm struggling to think of another band who left a comparable amount of money on the table.

The Screamers, but for different reasons

Crass maybe?

I wish I was old enough to have seen Fugazi when they were still going. I'm not preaching to anyone here so much as to my past self and some people I associated with who would interpret what they did as "politically revolutionary" instead of "pretty cool". I do think the tension between the liberal/radical/reactionary impulses in punk/indie is interesting though, there is/was just so much confusion and misplaced...everything going on in those scenes

agree w/ all that for sure, scenes are problematic by their very nature

(cf. "I Was A Teenage Anarchist")

I mean....you think Crass or the Screamers were going to be as big as Fugazi in the 90s?

no, I was reaching, I think Simon is probably otm

(well, maybe The Screamers)

but they were like the inverse of Fugazi, holding out for a major

(and thereby remaining obscure for decades)