Anime for people who hate anime

have you watched mobile suit gundam? that's where it all begins

― diamonddave85​​ (diamonddave85), Monday, July 6, 2020 11:00 PM

Does Mazinger Z not introduce any tropes apart from the big robot itself?

oh man, i completely forgot about war in the pocket

whats the commonality supposed to be in that list? just classic anime?

I guess you could even say anime for ppl who hate anime?

hmm ok

well Tatami Galaxy fits that, Baccano i don't think i would call cerebral but it still owns

maybe try Dennou Coil, that's one of my favs

i probably shouldn't be posting in this thread though since i love anime

Haibane Renmei perhaps? made by Lain peeps, similarish vintage

xp lol is there even a "main" anime thread?? I thought the same thing, my tastes and interests are specific but I too love anime! But when I looked up other anime threads they all had like <50 posts and hadn't been touched in years, and it'd be incredibly on-brand for a thread like like this to be "the one" on ILX lmao

If I liked Castlevania and LOVED Dorohedoro, what else is like that on Netflix UK right now? There's loads of stuff, obvs, but a lot of it looks like it could be daft or just for schoolkids and teens?

there's a hidden I Love Anime board that unlocks once you've watched every episode of lucky star

Afraid what will happen if I finally open a Cartoon Network thread

If I liked Castlevania and LOVED Dorohedoro, what else is like that on Netflix UK right now?

i don't know what is on Netflix UK but try Kakegurui which is by the Dorohedoro guy and is similarly batshit insane

thats a little misleading imo, its the same director but the source mangas are thoroughly unrelated

misleading???

oh i just meant when i see 'the dorohedoro guy' i would assume it to mean the original creator and not the director of the anime adaptation

also fwiw this is the other anime thread i'm aware of but no one uses it really

Anime S/D (COD hahahaha d'oh)

I keep seeing Azumanga Daioh mentioned (incl in that thread), can anyone recommend it? I've seen it namechecked along side Polar Bear Cafe which is one of my v v v favorites

i don't think those two are much alike

azumanga's a pretty influential series that set the template for the many 'high school girls do whatever' sketch comedy anime that are adapted from 4-panel comic strip manga. it still holds up fine but there's plenty of other ones since that are funnier imo, like i'd easily recommend Nichijou over it

ahhhh okay yeah someone I trust has already strongly recommended Nichijou and I have that queued up. For me, the charm of Polar Bear Cafe is how humdrum it is, it is almost entirely devoid of romance and high school stuff, the two things most Slice of Life animes seem to be centered around to varying degrees. Basically any Slice of Life anime that has nothing to do with love or school (see also: Skull-Faced Bookseller Honda San, which is completely different in regard to like tone and pacing but has a similar "here's a fun depiction of something completely ordinary")

second the recommendation for Tatami Galaxy, just visually stunning and short enough to watch in a few days

i'm glad you liked honda san!

have you seen pop team epic yet?

Yes! I've gotten a few episodes in, I enjoy it from time to time but I'm not totally hooked, at times it's SO frenetic and breakneck that the jokes don't really land

omg Oishinbo sounds so charming and up my alley, I need to track this down

― vision joanna newsom (Stevie D(eux)), Tuesday, 7 July 2020 4:27 AM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

There are collection of some of the manga translated into English. The Sushi one is super interesting because a lot of it focuses on all the terrible parasites you can ingest if you don’t prepare it right. The sake one has some views that are a little dated but is very educational, especially about the sake industry as it was in the 80s but maybe this is only of interest to a sake geek.

It’s interesting, not least because it comes from a place of deep unease about Japanese culture, especially food culture, being subsumed by and excitement about new and exciting western things. A lot of the episodes revolve around a Japanese obsessive about something western being introduced to a Japanese equivalent that is as good or better.

One of the early episodes of the anime has a contest between foie gras and simmered monkfish liver and a bunch of gourmets are astounded that japan has something so good. (Having eaten monkfish liver in japan I am a little skeptical)

Is this also the manga thread for people who don’t really like manga (comics, graphic novels etc.), because I have a lot of manga for someone who does really like manga?

if there's one thing manga and anime has taught me is that all Japanese food is oishii and woe betide anyone who suggests otherwise (apart from that one girl who for some reason can only make a purple mess of death)

damn don't harsh on misato's cooking like that

and yes someone make a manga thread so I can tell you all about how this Ito version of No Longer Human is really cheering me up haha

my boyfriend told me to watch an episode of Food Wars bcz I love food and... this is not for me, I would prefer not to watch children being raped by squids I think??? Though it lead to a whole convo about fan service and whatnot, my boyfriend loves exploitation cinema and Russ Meyer and stuff so he didn't mind it as much, but tbh this feels a lot grosser than that to my eyes (also I don't love exploitation cinema)

I would prefer not to watch children being raped by squids I think???

wait what?? maybe i should have been keeping a closer eye on this :(

ya in the first 5 or 10 minutes of ep 1 when the guy feeds that girl the peanut butter squid there's a whole tentacle rape thing

that part was gross but my bf and i watched the first two seasons and found it mostly really endearing and entertaining! you really start to love the chars once you get to know them all.

honestly that peanut butter squid thing is the worst the show gets afaicr

I've said it upthread somewhere but Redline is fun.

Foodwars continues to be massively sexist and objectifying.

Yeah it’s not great. I’ve talked with my kids about it. They immediately jump to its defense with all kinds of cockamamie reasons why actually it’s not sexist etc

Cue Miyazaki "Anime was a mistake" gif!

I'm very conflicted because the bits that aren't massively sexist and objectifying are quite good. It's also from this decade, not the 80s which has me RMDE at both Japan and Netflix. I should just pay for Paravi and watch the 3 seasons of Wakakozake I haven't yet watched.

Anyone seen the Ulysses 31 series? It was a french-japanese co-production.

I used to get some interesting anime recommendations on youtube but never see them anymore. It was the type of stuff that sold all over the world before anime had a real global audience. It tended to be fairy tales and I remember one of the earliest things I ever saw that didn't seem to be an american/japanese cartoon like GI Joe or X-Men or any number of saturday morning toy line stuff was Wizard Of Oz (there's different versions). I often wonder how much the fairy tales, X-Men, Thundercats etc got people ready for fully japanese cartoons.

watched Ulysses 31 as a kid as it was broadcast on UK TV, completely forgot about it until now and yet can immediately sing the whole theme tune. brains r weird.

there was another japanese-french one from the 80s that my kids have seen, the mysterious cities of gold. they loved it.

I need another pile of unread food manga like I need aa hole in the head, however a magazine just turned up with a list of the best food manga series and this one (Osen) looks so cool

http://goinjapanesque.com/ja/14343/

https://blog.alltheanime.com/podcast67/
Mentioned the podcast earlier when I was talking about Jonathan Clements but now I've listened to it. A lot of talk of of the original version of Gunbuster being difficult (or did they say impossible?) to find.
Funny story about pseudonyms; Tezuka being a dick to a musician.
Brilliant stuff about which animes succeed better abroad and then they're compelled to make more many years later (Trigun), or pretend they have more episodes than they do, so they can make them later. I'm kind of delighted that Urotsukidoji was a possibly bigger in the UK than anywhere else BWAAAHAHAHAHAHA! And he does talk about the irony of how it was portrayed as being what those sickos in japan watch, but actually Britain likes it more.

xps my first encounters with Anime was French kids TV in the eighties. They were showing Dragonball on Saturday mornings way before it hit the UK. Lots of other shows too - yes Ulysses, Cities of Gold (which were shown in the UK at the time), but also Olive et Tom, Ecole Des Champions, Nicky Larsson and many other French/Japanese productions. Anime was standard French kids' TV back then. Not sure what inspired it though

anime seems to have been more successful in most places than it was in the uk. there was a lot of anime on the tv in Chile when I used to visit in the 90s as a kid

Boogiepop Phantom and Serial Expeeiments: Alain are highly recommended, especially for us who have become shut-ins or already were pre-pandemic.

I haven’t seen it yet, but Dennou Coil (Den-Noh Coil) has gotten rapturous reviews

Serial Experiments: LAIN, not Alain, lol

It's interesting that anime never got much of a foothold in the UK, or Ireland. The only time it really had mainstream visibility here was during the late 90s/early 00s Pokemon craze, with a few other shows with names ending in "mon" and a heavily butchered dub of Card Captor Sakura. There have been a few attempts at anime-focused satellite channels over the years, and they all disappeared in a matter of weeks.

It seems like France and Italy are the big European anime/manga markets, both countries have a long history of anime shows on television (going back to the 70s at least).

Germany is quite into manga, i remember a few years ago looking up books on amazon and getting frustated cos a few books I wanted to buy were only translated into German. iirc when Tokyopop collapsed in the late 00s the only bit that survived was Tokyopop Gmbh cos it was profitable, and is still going today.

It's interesting that it has caught on in Africa so much too; how about south asia and middle east?

Another thing in that podcast above (which is quite well known to be fair) is about how much Chinese authorities view japanese cartoons as a threat, they were appalled when they found out that the majority of popular cartoons were japanese and I think they banned a bunch of stuff.

I heard a good theory that manga and anime have been so accessible is because the faces of the characters are mostly very simplified and almost like emoticons. That's disconcerting for me because that's the thing I most dislike about it. It's quite hard to find artists who draw faces like Dave Cooper (when he's not in his old timey cartoons mode) but I've found a few I can't remember the names of.

I’m enjoying Carol and Tuesday on Netflix right now about two teenagers who set out to conquer the Martian music business. 11 episodes in the fact that they live on mars seems entirely incidental to the plot, especially as the bit of mars they live in looks like Brooklyn. Nevertheless there are lots of robots and AI’s, they hire a small drunken arsehole of a robot to direct a recreation of the thriller video in episode 4.

The whole arc is about the battle between Carol and Tuesday’s homespun, handmade, honest to goodness sparkly pop sounds and Angela, former model, who is working with the mysterious Tao and his AI to manufacture the ultimate pop career.