US Politics: July 2020 - "Denigrating this Luxury Avenue"

cases were very low in east tennessee until the last 2-3 weeks.

xp, nope, that's really him: Kane! The Undertaker's Brother of Destruction!

Biden Supporters Are More Worried About the Health Risks of Voting

Hey, this is what I said this yesterday! Democrats have better risk-assessment skills than Trump-supporting Republicans! This time there are, like, graphs tho:

Over all, the voters who said they would be too uncomfortable to vote in person back Mr. Biden, 63 percent to 9 percent [for Trump].

Even so, Mr. Biden does not appear to be at a meaningful enthusiasm disadvantage: 65 percent of his supporters said they were “very enthusiastic” about voting this November, compared with 66 percent of Mr. Trump’s supporters. Importantly, the survey question asked whether respondents were enthusiastic about voting, not whether they were enthusiastic about the candidate they supported — where Mr. Biden appears to be at a more significant disadvantage.

(Flip side is that the six battleground states being tracked offer voting by mail.)

I am willing to collapse and die in-line after turning in my ballot if it means getting Derpton Trumpo out of office

vote AND die!!!!

Die and Vote!

many people are saying the demoncrats have already stolen the election by sending in millions of fraudulent ballots from dead people

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i wonder how that would play out at a county level, rather than at the state level. i'd guess that even in states that trump carried, the bulk of the deaths have been in cities or more populated areas, including blue counties in red states

Karl OTM - cases and deaths are very correlated with population density for reasons that ought to be obvious. Nevertheless, as the pandemic has progressed, blue and red states (also, roughly, D and R governors) have diverged largely because of different attitude s toward precautions.

Importantly, the survey question asked whether respondents were enthusiastic about voting, not whether they were enthusiastic about the candidate they supported — where Mr. Biden appears to be at a more significant disadvantage.

Why is that "importantly"? Voting is what seals the deal and wins the election. Sitting around watching the campaign ads and thinking 'atta boy, you go!' is comparatively unimportant.

I don't wanna pick on you sleeve but "who's winning the pandemic, team red or team blue" is something I really hate about COVID discourse.

yeah that's fair, it just seemed relevant. I imagine the #s will even out (and deaths are skewed different as noted) but gee what a difference actual state level policy makes

is there a correlation with the relative shittiness of state healthcare in general? i.e. states that have foregone medicaid expansion?

Holy fucking shit:

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Trump Rushmore speech will slam “left wing mob” trying to tear down “our history," campaign official briefed tells @ABC News

POTUS will argue "left wing mob" and "cancel culture" are pushing "totalitarian behavior...completely alien to American life," source said (not excerpts)

— Will Steakin (@wsteaks) July 3, 2020

The president will "tell the truth about America’s history and he will tell the truth about those trying to tear it down and divide our country," the senior Trump campaign official said of tonight's Rushmore speech

— Will Steakin (@wsteaks) July 3, 2020

Gee, I wonder which "senior Trump campaign official" would say a thing like that? Could it be the skinny, dead-eyed, prematurely bald Nazi? 'Tis a mystery indeed...

AOC-Claudia Conway 2040

cool -- he's expanding his base

Claudia is going to be grounded til 2050, with that attitude

expanding his base and playing with his balls

I suspect this controversy is every bit as scripted as the stuff with the parents

George and Kellyanne are the same person actually

cool -- he's expanding his base

He'll win over Andrew Sullivan and Jonathan Chait, anyway. Conor Friedersdorf, too, probably.

the conways are auditioning for a tv show

How the argument they're making applies any more to these Lincoln Project ads than any other stupid low-rent throw-them-off-their-game ads is entirely lost on me.

It doesn't, but those are the ones people are posting here.

Just say it pisses you off that Republicans are doing it.

well, yes, they're a bunch of murderous bush-era republicans trying to rehabilitate themselves in the eyes of credulous "i can't wait to not think about politics when trump is gone" centrists. that does bother me, and it bothers me to see their content get promoted here and on twitter.

there's also the fact they're running on issues that, among persuadable voters, have proven to be ineffective at best, and are probably counter-productive (we should give russia hell, the president is a vulgarian, etc.).

they fucking suck.

POTUS will argue "left wing mob" and "cancel culture" are pushing "totalitarian behavior...completely alien to American life," source said (not excerpts)

Will Steven Salaita deliver the rebuttal?

i don't think a speech about culture wars using twitter terms of art that make no sense to normal people is going to win a general election, but let's see if it pays off for him.

let's see if we can tell which parts bret stephens wrote

George and Kellyanne are the same person actually

https://bloody-disgusting.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Psycho.jpg

caek by "you" I meant the author(s) of that article

anyway I suspeect the effect of all televised PAC ads is cumulative, through repetition, and general. The vast majority of people who see them aren't paying any attention to who is producing them, and aren't participating in the rehabilitation of their producers' reputations.

I mean, Joe Biden himself needs a lot of rehab—he's a major player in policies his ooponent is now defending. So is posting his ads here, and those of the DNC, "promoting" his exoneration?

They all suck and all want Trump to lose for a variety of complementary reasons

I guess the real takeaway for me is that I shouldn't be allowed to post without putting on my reading glasses, and I have to stop pretending I don't need them in order to get through a single sentence w/o a typo

The vast majority of people who see them aren't paying any attention to who is producing them

exactly?!

so what does it matter then? It's the same exact message the DNC is producing

it's not like there's a "btw, we quietly condone more tax breaks for the 1%" voiceover at the end

if you think it makes no difference to the outcome of the election and you agree it's an attempt to make money and launder the reputations of extremely bad people, can you see the problem?

I don't think those things. Or rather I don't think in the latter case it will do that, nobody cares.

Anyway the reputation laundering comes w/ the Biden nomination. Whose forgiveness are they looking for?

To the extent any political ads "make a difference" I believe they are "effective."

they have bought TV advertising in DC only (zero electoral votes). they have a total ad spend of $400k. they don't care about persuading persuadable people of anything, and it shows.

it's not like there's a "btw, we quietly condone more tax breaks for the 1%" voiceover at the end

― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Friday, July 3, 2020 5:29 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

no, they are a group of national security hawks.

I think these people are genuine in their disdain for and indignation abt Trump. So no, I don't think it's primarily about reputation laundering and money. I think they are sincere in their small differences.

That doesn't mean they aren't also shitty people whose whole legacy should go up in flames.

they 100% want the biden admin to feel like it owes them something

the reason they spend that money in DC is because they know the real value in these ads is getting written up and talked about

i'm not saying they aren't doing a good job of getting talked about!

if anybody thinks the clincher for Joe Biden and the DNC feeling indebted to people like Joe Scarborough and George Conway is anti-Trump TV commericals I have a credit card lobby to sell you

i ... ok. i give up.

advertising in DC only (zero electoral votes)

? DC has electoral votes.

granted, it's only like, 3, but....

xp DC gets the shaft in Congress but they do have electoral votes! (Though the disposition of those votes is not going to be affected by Lincoln Project ads....)

Whether or not some anti-Trump republican operatives manage to rehabilitate their reputations among DC insiders via the Lincoln Project is a problem so small in my personal scheme of things that it is no more than a pocket handkerchief-sized cloud in a sky spawning multiple tornados. My political job as I see it is to do what I can to render the specific rung these operatives occupy in the republican hierarchy irrelevant, through denying the entire GOP power for as long as possible in as many places as possible.

i was aware of that! xp

*not!