Free Speech and Creepy Liberalism

is this gonna be one of those things where we find out two days from now that half those people didn't consent to being listed as 'advisors'

I found out about it from mcwhorters twitter feed so at least he is really on board

haha well yeah they do all seem pretty simpatico but

I thought about polling them

hard to choose between Hadley Freeman and Helen Lewis because they're basically the same person

Any group of people who self-claim the title of "intellectual community" is automatically deducted points even before they file their first manifesto.

what kind of creepy liberal thought leader cult doesn’t even have steven pinker

Guys stop belittling our freedoms

oh yeah they overlooked steven pinker maybe he'll sign on later

I love how this thread goes from idk is this really a thing why is it bad to this is obviously a thing and it’s terrible

Yascha Mounk hasn't said anything about Bolivia lately right?

but free speech isn't being curtailed if the government isn't preventing it. There's a reason why I can't just walk into my business and shout "EY, SUCK MY OLIVE-OIL SCENTED DICK K THX" and expect to still have my job the next day.

― Neanderthal, Monday, July 1, 2013 10:30 PM (seven years ago) bookmarkflaglink

It's very normal and cool that there's now an entire magazine devoted to ensuring that Neanderthal can just walk into his business and shout "EY, SUCK MY OLIVE-OIL SCENTED DICK K THX" and expect to still have his job the next day.

If they had called it "EY, SUCK MY OLIVE-OIL SCENTED DICK K THX" instead of Persuasion I honestly think it would have a better chance at being a going concern.

I do think there are cases where freedom of expression should be protected from incursions other than just the government and maybe this outlet will be a good voice; hard to say anything at this point, though.

It's entirely possible for a media oligopoly to shut out alternate viewpoints without the government stepping in at all - giving them free rein through the abolition of net neutrality, for instance.

Yeah, anyone on the left should be very wary of essentially delegating the final authority over individuals' speech and expression to employers and/or media platforms imo.

A statement signed by 150 people incl. Bill T. Jones, Wynton Marsalis, Jennifer Finney Boylan, Noam Chomsky, J.K. Rowling, Margaret Atwood, and Salman Rushdie expresses concern over the illiberal trend intensified by our national reckoning.https://t.co/4zPjuPNXBu

— Harper's Magazine (@Harpers) July 7, 2020

those schmucks wish this were creepy liberalism

It’s such a great term bc it allows maximum ambiguity between creepy idpol ppl PC controlling speech and creepy anti idpol ppl using phantasm of the former to promote creepy opinions.

There's No Such Thing as Free Speech, and It's a Good Thing, Too.

And Here's Why: Suck an Egg

this letter is like coachella for bad faith takes writers

J3ss3 Sing@l is probably behind this

this is like the usual list plus a few surprises

is Chomsky mad that people still dunk on him for being pro-khmer rouge or is it people getting mad at him for always telling us to vote democrat while being an "anarchist" that has him shook?

I see at least 2 ppl on the Lolita Express flight logs

Never Have I Ever… Said 'It's Complicated'.

Chomsky mad and shook would be something to behold

Liberals gonna liberal.

I'm also going to say it: Reginald Dwayne Betts is a shitty fucking poet, and that the white poetry establishment is exploiting him and his story is remarkably easy to discern to anyone paying attention

chomsky has always been v pro free speech for fascists

basically

That letter in Harper’s:

Instructive to see this during a Black-led revolution against systemic racism and brutality in all institutions - not just the police.

At a time when voices long kept out of institutions are heard, so many voices most buoyed by institutions complain.

— Mona Eltahawy (@monaeltahawy) July 7, 2020

noam agonizing over killer mike admitting to having read him

did bill cosby sign this letter

lol

lol

xp

are they calling themselves Coalition of the Cancelled yet?

It’s just so dopey. like 97 times out of 100 I’m probably going to be a freeze peach guy but this shit just reeks of monocled dorks mad that people ruthlessly dunk on them online. Just fuck off back to your untaxed unearned inheritance and let people have fun at your expense ffs

Never let it be said that Ivy League education doesn't reduce one to a gibbering imbecile.

Every time we or an expert shows the folly and wrongness of bad science, another asshole comes along promulgating it, which forces uni administrators and faculty to use gross capitalist terms like The Marketplace of Ideas. They want debate, but what's the point? To debate these spineless bimbos is to set yourself up for exhaustion. No one learns a thing.

Could have a poll on most depressing signature to find on here, for me it's a close call between Chomsky and John McWhorter. Lolz at Wynton Marsalis being there.

did someone say something nice about free jazz?

Free jazz is a vehicle for 'a new set of moral attitudes and political commitments that tend to weaken our norms of open debate and toleration of differences in favor of ideological conformity' iirc.

Matthew Yglesias & Jeet Heer but no Matt Taibbi

doesn't McWhorter complain about lefty stuff all the time, or on his podcast with Glenn Loury at least

a little surprised to see Dahlia Lithwick

I don't follow McWhorter's political stuff at all, I dare not, but his excellent writing and lectures on linguistics was my way in to the subject and so I still feel a need to defend him for some stupid reason.

xp yes he does, he's been working a lucrative side career as a sensible-voice-of-reason for years now

I can spot the posters who are v pro-free speech for anyone who agrees with them

i deleted such a scorcher from the post box lol. you guys would have been so owned. it was gonna be sweeeeeet