Keeping Up With Music

Does having/not having a physical collection impact your listening habits?

I download a shit-ton of promos and Bandcamp purchases, but if I really like something (or if it's not available any other way), I'll buy it on CD. Yesterday, for example, I pulled out a 4CD box by Derek Bailey, Han Bennink and Evan Parker that I bought a year or two ago and then kinda forgot about, and threw on one of the discs, and followed that with a disc from one of several King Crimson live box sets I own. In fact, I've been buying a lot more physical music in the first half of this year than I did last year, probably as a psychological effect of being "stuck at home" (even though I have technically been "stuck at home" - i.e. no office job, working entirely freelance - since 2017).

I find it especially satisfying when an album gets a ton of plays these days, since I basically don't mess with physical media at all anymore. This only happens when 1) it's something my wife is into too, so it makes it into the weekend coffee/evening cooking rotation (see Sault, Moses Sumney, Dirty Projectors). Or 2) it just hits and I keep going back to it, of course.

Keeping my Google doc of releases I've listened to and liked really helps, otherwise it's so easy to forget these days.

I can't be arsed, I basically listen to whatever Spotify tells me to which is a bottomless well of 1970s/80s singer songwriters. I've gotten into contemporary Irish trad music and classic ECM boring bastard jazz like Don cherry and Horace tapscott (without any delusions that I 'get' it). I've also fallen back in love with some of the 'classic' albums from when I was a teenager (transformer, horses) and I care far more about them now than I did then (they seemed like homework at the time, now I could listen to the guitar riff on 'wagon wheel' forever). My primary exposure to contemporary pop music for years came from working in a school but I really came to hate the sound of modern pop music, it's default vocal performance styles, the production clichés that make everything sound like the free music you can use to jazz up your YouTube tutorial. I know this is what everyone says when they lose interest so I'm not claiming that this is any sort of insight into the music itself, just that its receded in my interest into ambient irritation to be ignored.

I've also realised that I consume music at a very slow pace now, so it will take me a long time to notice say that iris dement has released a new song on YouTube and weeks before I remember to listen to it again and start to enjoy it. Sometimes something will jump out at me and cut through, for example a couple of weeks ago I was reminded of a counter tenor I was blown away by when I saw him at the ENO and looked to see if he had released anything, his album came out a couple of years ago and it's Handel and glass lieder. I've never liked glass aside from his solo piano but I love the performances on this of the glass pieces as much as the Handel and I've been listening to it obsessively. I'd recommend it were the world not overstocked with recommendations.

I don't need to see all the trees in the forest, or walk down all of the paths until there are none new left. I don't need to eat all chips in the barm, much less all the barms in the shop.

I will listen to more music this year than I ever have but maybe only a fifth of it will be new.

I am listening to music chronologically, currently up to 1937, I devote December each year to new music. Don't know if this is a good idea TBH, makes me too reliant on end of year lists, which have various issues.

classic ECM boring bastard jazz would be like idk Jan Gabarek or something. not Don Cherry!!

fp'ed plax for dissing Horace Tapscott. Fucking disgraceful posting!

thread was always destined to turn into ignorantly taking a shit on music I'm not inclined to investigate space!

listen to The Dark Tree while kneeling on hard rice on a stone floor as a penance

Does anybody else feel the sudden and enormous profusion of music even compared to a few years ago?

Most certainly. And to answer your original question: there is no way to keep up. Over the past ten years I'd say I've gradually found it harder to keep up, whilst simultaneously seeing that what I would like to keep up with growing exponentially. There really is only one way to somewhat come to terms with this, to not implode or go insane trying to keep up while you know you can't, and that is to stop worrying and love as much music as you can.

Like one individual can't keep up with everything, communties can't either. But a small community like ILM is doing a hell of a lot of heavy lifting, covering pretty much all shades of music; whether not always as deep as sub-communities, it does cover nearly all the bases. I don't believe bigger communities do a better job: RYM, or Reddit, or what have you, may be bigger in numbers but that has its own downsides. Of flattening out niches, for one; of having to learn the specific social norms and vagaries.

Music has really gotten much, due to technical advancements, the internet as a place to network, share and collaborate, the demise of the Big Labels etc. These are all very good things. The only way I can cope is acknowledging I'll miss out on stuff, all the time, as there's not enough time to read about, track down, and yes, listen to everything. I'm here for the ride, and treasuring what I can, it's a beautiful ride.

fp'ed plax for dissing Horace Tapscott. Fucking disgraceful posting!

― calzino, Thursday, 2 July 2020 09:41 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

Lol I didn't mean this as a diss of tapscott, it was intended more as a mea culpa for wasting these records on my fairly half assed low level engagement.

I appreciate the sentiment of yr post however

I know I can't keep up so I mostly listen to older releases I haven't heard yet by artists I already like or well-known artists/well-regarded albums that I've wanted to check out. I know that a lot of music I would love slips through my grasp with this approach - I basically never listen to new releases unless they are by artists I already love. but I reliably find a lot of great music this way. the past two years I've had more time than usual to listen to music so I have heard a few of the more hyped releases as they come out (like Dua Lipa - very good!)

I would expect at least some drop off in quantity of some kinds of music (i.e. those involving muktiple people rehearsing or recording in small rooms) in the second half of this year.

oh god, they're so gifted!

The future is infinite singer songwriters playing "lockdown" albums live on Zoom to nobody. And chiptunes. Always chiptunes. Until the EMP event anyway.

I feel weirdly guilty having given up almost entirely on new music. I feel like I have to justify it to myself!

According to Discogs, there have been 144,527 ambient albums alone released in the 2010s, with 7437 releases so far in 2020. God knows how many for more popular genres.

1,112,782 rock albums in 2010s.

Ilm is probably the best curator we could hope for. A body with a hundred heads

I've always felt the presence of all the stuff I didn't know and found it energising. as my tastes have broadened, so have the boundaries of my ignorance. it's great!

I also think it's fine to treat 2020 as a hiatus of sorts, because most of the music that's coming out doesn't exist in any societal context out there bar those imposed by lockdowns, which is kind of interesting in its own right but there's a wider question of what new music means when it can't be properly performed, or experienced in the usual ways, when people can't throw parties, when they can't go out and dance.

sorry for Geir but partying and dancing are tbah a very specific and not at all predominant mode of music consumption imo

having Despacito on in the background is hardly listening to music anyway

My takeaway from this thread: there's a new Hail Spirit Noir, and it's probably rad

partying and dancing are tbah a very specific and not at all predominant mode of music consumption imo

^^^

For me, a show is more appealing when it's not tied to an album, when it's "If you don't come down, you'll have missed out." For example, I saw a band at the beginning of this year deliver an awesome show at the Jazz Gallery - three tenor saxophonists (one of whom doubled on soprano, and another on baritone), bass, and drums - and I know they're never going to make an album; they just came together to play that music, two sets a night for two nights, done and gone. If you weren't there, you missed it, period. That's the appeal of in-person music for me now.

partying and dancing are tbah a very specific and not at all predominant mode of music consumption imo

This is absolute nonsense fwiw, if you were to write any kind of serious history of popular music, including jazz, then dancing and social functions would be absolutely central to it. There's the personal, private side as well obviously, but most forms of music are rooted in people being able to congregate together in social situations.

The meaning of what is and isn't social has changed in the last decade or so but the sudden removal of in-person social contact is as profound a contextual change as anything that has happened in the history of pop, even if the sonic results by and large haven't reached our ears yet.

xp I took a class on history of American popular music during my undergrad, and one of our assigned texts was Elijah Wald's excellent How the Beatles Destroyed Rock & Roll, which some people on this board are doubtless familiar with. It does a very good job of highlighting how histories of popular music (jazz, rock) have been distorted by the biases of collectors and critics, who overvalue records and a small subset of 'innovative' artists, and give short shrift to the 'business-as-usual' of the working bands playing crowd-pleasing music in ballrooms, on radio and TV broadcasts, etc.

Over the last couple of years I've definitely developed a decision paralysis due to the insane amount of new music available, and have simultaneously lost a lot of trust in the recommendations of most online publications that are supposed to spotlight the best of it. As a result I haven't kept up with new music very much since maybe 2017 or 2018. I'm mainly spending my time discovering 'new to me' old music, and learning a lot more about the history of pop music in the process. I don't particularly feel like I'm missing out, and I trust that the best stuff will find me eventually.

The time I most enjoy listening to new music is when the end of year polls happen here. There's no place I trust more for directing me towards new music, but I find that ILM throughout the year is a bit of a jumble. There's too many threads to keep up with, and I feel like I need more than just one person to say something is good before I'll invest the time in checking it out.

I made an effort to be up-to-the-minute and right on the cutting edge of music through like maybe 2005 and then slowly relinquished that tendency to the point where I'm lucky at any given point if I've heard more than three albums that were released in the last five years. I've gone deep into the crates wrt the music of the past, tho.

histories of popular music (jazz, rock) have been distorted by the biases of collectors and critics, who overvalue records and a small subset of 'innovative' artists, and give short shrift to the 'business-as-usual' of the working bands playing crowd-pleasing music in ballrooms, on radio and TV broadcasts, etc.

The Wald book is very good; a decent companion piece (for me, and potentially others) is Bob Porter's Soul Jazz, which studies jazz acts that were popular in Harlem and Newark during the 1940s-1970s, as opposed to the (largely white) critic-approved artists who played the Greenwich Village clubs.

The meaning of what is and isn't social has changed in the last decade or so but the sudden removal of in-person social contact is as profound a contextual change as anything that has happened in the history of pop, even if the sonic results by and large haven't reached our ears yet.

Music doesn't magically appear though, it still has to be made. What is heard in a social context might have been made a year ago or more!

And most likely made in isolation just as before. Has creation-time context changed?

Yeah that's true, question is what things sound like in six months to a year. But for now anything involving multiple instrumentalists in a studio is probably out, one person on a computer is a different thing entirely.

popular music in general has been moving away from communal production and towards ppl individually beavering away at computers for a long time, lockdown inevitably fucks up all sorts of logistics but I think it's less disruptive to musicians in 2020 than it would have been at any other year in memory

^^^

i wasn't talking about the loss of live performance, which is a totally different thing (and thread)

Isolation is a social context

I find it particularly difficult as over the years my sensitivity to music has grown an awful lot. I don't find it easy to just have music on in the background, listening takes a lot out of me and I don't have much energy. Having something like a radio show to do focuses me, so that's been really good for me. Very much missing the live scene, though, not so much for the 'going out and seeing people' element, as I have embraced hermit-dom, but for the access to new DIY stuff.

I basically never listen to new releases unless they are by artists I already love.
― Vinnie

This is pretty much the opposite to me, I'm often much more interested in hearing someone new than another record by an artist I've already heard. I'll be super-excited about a second release from an artist, but by the third, unless they've established themselves as an artist whose records will all explore very different sounds, I'm kind of 'been there, done that' about it.

Yeah that's true, question is what things sound like in six months to a year. But for now anything involving multiple instrumentalists in a studio is probably out, one person on a computer is a different thing entirely.

― Matt DC, Thursday, July 2, 2020 8:53 AM (twenty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

i've seen a good number of bands isolating together. maybe we'll have a few hundred new trout mask replicas at the end of this thing.

really envious of bands that live together with home studios

Yeah I don't think we really know what kind of music people will want to both make and listen to in a year or so, it would feel bizarre for things to just restart and carry on in more or less the same way, but it might happen.

Still feels like, while there have been plenty of great records released in the last few weeks, there isn't very much happening out there right now so it's as good a time as ever to take the pressure off yourself to stay up to date.

It’s a good time to be a one-man black metal band.

really envious of bands that live together with home studios

― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, July 2, 2020 9:19 AM (six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah, home studio is definitely not the norm lol. but all these bands have some type of recording equipment and can do a 'songs from a room' type thing.

xp to emil.y I still listen to probably 50% music by new-to-me artists (*checks Spotify queue* almost exactly!) but they just aren't 2020 releases typically. My knowledge of music, even canonical stuff, is pretty limited compared to a lot of ilxors, so there's still lots of very well-known, well-regarded albums I've never heard, and I tend to like a lot of them. Like triggercut, I love the end-of-year polls, especially tracks, because I often love a lot of what places. whereas it's too overwhelming to follow the many music threads here through the year

Have the streaming platforms (or anyone) been setting up venues that allow bands to stream live shows? You'd think that would be a thing but I haven't heard much. The Oranssi Pazuzu show was really well done and that seems like the midland if template that could work.

Fuck. Midland if = kind of.

have the streaming platforms (or anyone) been setting up venues that allow bands to stream live shows?

I've seen a few shows like this on various platforms whose names escape me right now, where you buy a 'ticket' and get a link to a private stream or something.

Of course. I mean physical venues / studios for streaming shows.

lol I'm pretty sure I still haven't heard WAP but honestly haven't particularly connected to anything I've heard from Cardi B. *or* Megan Thee Stallion yet. Haven't even given the new Dylan the time and attention it deserves!

I consciously decided at the beginning of the year that I wasn't going to actively try keeping up with new music this year.

What that really meant was that I wasn't going to put in all the work that I usually do for the sake of creating a long best-of-the-year playlist: scanning Album of the Year for new albums every week, dragging them into an "new albums" playlist, listening to them repeatedly until I have a favorite track (or else I've decided the album isn't for me), scanning unperson's monthly jazz column to see if there are any albums I've missed, occasionally scanning The Singles Jukebox for songs with high scores and maintaining a playlist of those songs, aggregating songs that show up on major publications' year-end lists into yet another playlist and finding more favorites, etc. etc.

I've still heard a bit of new music this year, when I've happened to notice that an artist I like has put something out. But I haven't been systematic about it at all, so a lot has slipped through the cracks.

To be honest, it's been kind of relaxing. I've ended up just listening to a lot of old stuff. At one point I worked on a 1999 playlist. But as the best-of-2020 lists have been coming out, I've found myself wanting to...get a handle on all of it. So I'm not sure yet whether this year is a permanent break from Keeping Up or just a temporary one.

xp The first time I heard WAP was the other day, when I listened to Pitchfork's top songs of 2020 list!

lack of commute has killed my primary listening mode - has been tough to replace it tbh. podcasts have suffered this year too for me.

around the house i put on stuff i already know - too distracting to listen 'actively'

This is absolutely the first year I can remember where not only did I struggle to keep up with music, but I totally forgot about albums I liked from bands that I love. For example, I totally forgot that X released a good record this year. Or, the Dua/Jessie/Roisin glossy nu-disco trio, for example, all albums I really enjoyed and enjoy listening to yet keep forgetting to play. Or Fiona Apple and Kathleen Edwards, two artists I love that released great new comebacks that I love that I just keep forgetting to play. Looking over year-end lists, there is just so much I haven't heard or even heard of, and of the stuff I have heard it's just downright impossible for me to keep straight in my brain, let alone fore of mind. So much music!

Weirdly, I wonder if this has been inadvertently pandemic related. My family is around all the time, but I'm a speaker guy, not a headphone guy, and just haven't been free to blast stuff on the stereo when the mood strikes. Hmm ...

― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 15 December 2020 21:59 (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

I feel this post. I was reminded yesterday of the existence of the Eddie Chacon album, which I loved when I first heard it and then promptly forgot about. Dylan too!

I think this year I have listened to as much new music as ever, but in the same way that I struggle a bit to keep track of what happened in which month this year (like, all the jokes that currently it's the 247th of March or whatever), almost all experiences of music have felt more transient, and less amenable to ordering and recollection.

one of the reasons i think tiktok has struck such a nerve and created so many big hits this year is that it helps people create those associations with songs that they aren't having in IRL

Right!

Including that we can't dance to these songs at a club but we can perform/watch tiktok dances.

Dancing at bars, albeit in small numbers, is starting to be allowed again in Australia for the first time since mid-March, and it's amusing to see teh-gays in particular express this sense of pent-up release at finally being able to dance in public to the broadly-recognised gay anthems of 2020 ("Physical", "Rain on Me", "WAP"), almost as if the very existence of these songs and their impact was somehow quasi-spectral until it could be properly acknowledged in that way.

my real name rhymes with and has the exact same number of syllables as "a savage" and the fact I haven't been able to do a karaoke performance of Megan & Beyoncè with my personal spin on it is killing me

xp great post, Tim

this year, probably more than any other, i've listened to the same 10-12 new or new-to-me albums hundreds of times. they were all very good at giving me what i needed in particular moments, and i kept coming back to them. i just didn't feel the need to adopt more, though i did scan through a few new releases here and there. my music listening experience is more and more becoming this reader response thing where every time i listen to the same thing my experience is a little different but no less rich. but the thing has to have sort of passed a few tests for it to get there, lol.

Dancing at bars, albeit in small numbers, is starting to be allowed again in Australia for the first time since mid-March, and it's amusing to see teh-gays in particular express this sense of pent-up release at finally being able to dance in public to the broadly-recognised gay anthems of 2020 ("Physical", "Rain on Me", "WAP"), almost as if the very existence of these songs and their impact was somehow quasi-spectral until it could be properly acknowledged in that way.

very jealous, i miss hearing music in a room with friends. some music just needs to be embodied and shared in social, physical space.

one of the reasons i think tiktok has struck such a nerve and created so many big hits this year is that it helps people create those associations with songs that they aren't having in IRL

Possibly the first thing I've read that's helped me understand tik tok!