have you quit the labour party yet?

On the momentum elections:

1. POH section is a disgrace, should be abolished or democratised
2. Three people who refused to sign the @Labour_Trans pledges is three people too many
3. There needs to be structural work to address problems with representation (and FM could've done better on this) https://t.co/mt8LOOcqvq

— Dan (@d_j_frost) July 1, 2020

Lol @ Tory journo Oborne looking at the Lab report:

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/were-labours-antisemitism-failures-really-corbyns-fault/

(Of course it's mainly a question of journalistic integrity for him, but still..)

That the traditional media has failed, almost entirely, to report these suspensions and the ongoing legal proceedings is, to say the least, odd. It has also largely failed to report the contents of the leaked report. Newspapers and broadcasters have no interest in publicising a document that asks serious questions about the narrative they pushed so unquestioningly regarding Corbyn and antisemitism.

This is cowardly and irresponsible. Either they need to show that the Labour report is wrong – or they owe Jeremy Corbyn , Jennie Formby and others an apology. They at least have an obligation to report the other side of the argument.

oh, obornepaws...

It's rarely mentioned that the Tories missed out on a working majority by just 50 votes, or that those specific 2,227 votes would have required a national gain of around 116,000. This is a good @anthonybmasters analysis of the myth of Labour's near miss.https://t.co/17iDcgILd0 https://t.co/dkv5e5iBJJ

— Dorian Lynskey (@Dorianlynskey) August 9, 2020

This could be the thread for arguing over history. We can argue the toss over numbers. I think it's worth saying how many people voted for this very dysfunctional unit and maybe how many more could've done so.

They would not have gotten much through but again. An anti-imperialist in No 10. No arms to Saudi. Abbott as home sec. The emboldening of the left. This argument over numbers and what could or could not be done misses what is basic to me.

how's his Remain podcast with Dunty going? Has it run it's course now Corbyn isn't there to kick anymore. Fucking melt jerkoff!

It’s rarely mentioned that every time I see a Dorian Lynskey tweet, it’s because he’s getting #numbers due to some dogshit Labour opinion rather than whatever it is he actually enjoys.

By the way, Labour’s numbers increased in the weeks after 2017, and were strong and around 40% for much of the following year and a half. The more voters in 2017 thought Labour would win, the more likely they were to vote for them. This is all out there and established by the polls themselves and by the British Election Study.

If he wanted to go back over numbers he might want to consider the national gain required for Remain to win. And how Leave missed out on a working majority by a negative number.

Even in that optimistic scenario it's very difficult to imagine how a Corbyn minority government would have survived for very long - particularly trying to get Brexit legislation through the Commons and with Labour MPs sending blood in the water. Even a confidence and supply agreement with the SNP would have crashed on the Brexit rocks surely?

They might have won in early 2018 when they were polling level with the Tories though.

If he wanted to go back over numbers he might consider how Labour’s numbers tanked the less ambiguous they were about committing to a Remain position.

Lynskey is correct it's important to be realistic about the outcome of General Elections, referendums, that kind of thing

steady on!

just addressing the myth of Remain's near miss

xp I think all the wreckers would have resigned as soon as they could, but then he should have purged them ASAP. No sense in letting people like Ian Austin and John Woodcock call themselves Labour MPs any longer than necessary. But once you get into the messy realpolitik scenario of a coalition like that, it’s difficult to know what would have happened. Certainly if they emerged from the election the largest party we wouldn’t be on course for a no deal exit at the end of the year. What Alphie says above is true, and 2017 was the thing that made people take Corbyn seriously and view him as a real threat. What fools like DL think is neither here nor there tbh.

maybe he could do a thread about how Remainers made the Johnson government

I can't wait to dig into his mate's How To Be a Liberal book, might just cut straight to the "overlook the results of democratic votes/referendums and cry like a fucking baby for 3 years" chapter and see if I can learn something important about how to have the dignified poise of a great classic liberal!

Yes this discussion from people like Owen Jones and Zara Sultana isn't really about what would have happened it's about countering the idea of unelectability. Even if Labour MPs weren't taking the prospect seriously the Tories clearly were. If they weren't genuinely shook they wouldn't have gone for Johnson - although they were also clearly concerned about Brexit slipping through their fingers.

Had the campaign gone on a week longer, Labour may well have wound up at least in government, and possibly won outright. I base this on the phenomenon of people jumping on the ‘winner’ bandwagon when they can see it coming.

Just noting how Bush was quite smart, he would turn up as a reply guy in all sorts of threads with pro-Corbyn people, talk to them, act curious. Most were probably sceptical but because he was courteous it was fine. Something the rest of the media didn't do - and I do wonder if there was better analysis whether they would've seen the threat from Corbyn earlier or not.

Frankly, Stephen Bush is now deliberately being ridiculous.

The claim of deliberate sabotage doesnt need comparison with a different campaign, only that
1. We're they told to distribute more ambitiously
2. Did they

That's it. pic.twitter.com/CiIvHvduRp

— left of Brown (@TKispeter) August 11, 2020

"Corbyn's arrogant tour of Conservative-held seats"

Is he writing from the pov of the Corbyn sceptic or just himself or are they one and the same

I thought Labour were supposed to be speaking to people they disagreed with? Anyway the leaked report alleged a whole shadow campaign in 2017 where resources were diverted so Bush can fuck off.

I immediately bin any commentator who calls Corbyn ‘arrogant’ because it transparently means ‘is not doing the thing I would like him to do, because he ignores melts like me, and I keep trying to speak to a manager’.

it's entirely possible that 2017 was somewhat sabotaged by reluctant corbz-hostile lab operatives and 2019 was badly run by keen lab operatives loyal to corbz

Yup there is a story here to be told of Corbyn loyal ppl who left post-2017 too.

Andrew Fisher comes to mind.

There was a lot of nonsense talk about how strong Labour's ground game before the '19 disaster. In my neck of the woods Tory campaigners were like ants and there were signs on every lamppost even signs half to Leeds outside this constituency - there was definitely some kind of ground game failure that was possibly nothing to do with internal wrecking. My mp, as decent as she was, she was melt adjacent and to the point she deleted a group photo with Corbyn in London that was taken by a local Councillor who told she said something like : oh christ no, I don't want that fucker in my pic! But it was a marginal and one that you might think was the result of gerrymandering - it might have been. I haven't looked into the history of the boundary changes.

Excuse grammar fail, am on my and didn't proof read it cos I wasn't sure if the fucker would even post!

Phone

wb calz, hope you won't mind my new dn.

stabber calz
oh stabber calz
please don't knife my melt
he's got a big tent party
and forensic questioning skills
oh bad man stabber calz

Lol was just thinking about thos repellent imago-eris!

u wot

Just goofing about no one needs to die... Yet!

Careful there.

My constituency encompasses areas like Saviletown where the population is 90%+ South Asian and lots of extreme socially deprived poor areas like Chickenley, Dewsbury Moor, Ravensthorpe etc and then posh af zones like Upper/Lower Hopton etc which belong more to Hudds than here which looks like some gerrymandering went on some point. But anyway, if Labour concentrated their ground game in the Tory zones then they fucked up and effectively did in a good mp who only lost by a couple of thousand there. get brexit done needed challenging and there was fuck all prescence.

Lol BTW I'm still actually barred but can post when I turn off WiFi on my phone. In your face melts!

Moderators HATE him. The one weird trick to post to ILX when you're banned that might surprise you

Lovely to see you back calz, obviously none of us wants to see class traitors die a slow agonising death, that would be bad

xxp You're not according to the admin log?

Disease schadenfreude is ok unless we're talking biological warfare. Them's the rules.

Lol BTW I'm still actually barred but can post when I turn off WiFi on my phone. In your face melts!

The chatter on this thread is reprehensible and reminds me of the good old days of dom, jon and marcello. Good job class warriors

Lads, please. It’s too hot for beef.

The chatter on this thread is reprehensible and reminds me of the good old days of dom, jon and marcello. Good job class warriors

― sound of scampo talk to me (El Tomboto), Tuesday, August 11, 2020 2:32 PM (twenty-three seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

DON'T TRY IT

Lol oh for the good old days

wait why were u banned?

Wait I take that back, I really just meant Marcello I think. Dom and Jon are in a different category

Plax (and calz I guess) -

rolling FP number request thread

xp. yes, Marcello was not really all that different to some "difficult" posters we still have amongst us currently. Dom was carrying on off-board harassment campaigns and such iirc

You recall correctly