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Also, the Savoy version is credited to Kenny Clarke, but the one I just posted is credited to Cannonball Adderley.

yeah you get a lot of that when certain band members' fame eclipses the band leader and they probably signed a terrible deal with the record company etc

I may be making this up but I think there are Coltrane records that were originally billed under someone else.

Yeah, several albums from the 50s with Coltrane as a sideman were later reissued under his name.

Miles was reportedly unhappy about the album's original cover, which featured a photograph of a young white woman and child aboard a sailboat. He made his displeasure known to Columbia executive George Avakian, asking, "Why'd you put that white bitch on there?" Avakian later stated that the question was made in jest. For later releases of the record, however, the original cover-photo has been replaced by a photograph of Miles Davis.

I may be making this up but I think there are Coltrane records that were originally billed under someone else.

Taylor hated that session because he thought Dorham was too conservative, apparently.

weird album, interesting but not great, coltrane kind of awkward between two players stubbornly sticking to basically different genres

original cover belongs in the yawnsomely literal thread

they did this with several other 50s coltrane sideman recordings, not fair towards the original leader and often disappointing as coltrane albums

Taylor hated that session because he thought Dorham was too conservative, apparently.

I can't remember where I got the anecdote, but my recollection was that Cecil was not allowed to pick the band and felt Dorham wasn't right for the music, and didn't get what he wanted out of it ultimately.

it's since been reissued in piecemeal, but for a time, the paul chambers mosaic select box was one of the most prized things in my collection. still is, i suppose, but the material is much more available these days. at the time it was first available, it had previously unissued coltrane performances on it; which of course was the big draw - and wild to think that that stuff sat mostly unheard for fourty years! but the rest of it is also predictably excellent.

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after reading some serious stanning on Jeanne Lee from Katz I thought I'd check this out, it's amazing.

that album rules I need to hear more from her

https://www.nybooks.com/articles/2020/06/11/invitation-jazz-singer-jeanne-lee/

lol i mean Shatz not Katz, but it is a jazz thread!

The album she did with Mal Waldron.

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Lol, meant to say 'is amazing'!

I've got just about every Mal Waldron album apart from that, what the hell!

thinking about it he would the perfect pianist for her style.

He's so understated on this - leaves so much space.

smokin weed and listening to jazz

watching this specifically

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OoZnindlI78

Smooth

It was Charlie Parker for most of the day in celebration of his centennial. Dug out that Town Hall concert from 1945 that was rediscovered in the '00s:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4q1HEkRal8

Archie Shepp's "Four for Trane," which is a masterpiece in my book. How often is a great artist's best LP a tribute album?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pu0fuR4tSPY

I was looking for this months ago, and while it's out-of-print on its own, I stumbled on to the 5 Original Albums reissue, which is basically Universal Music's budget reissue of five studio albums that Shepp cut for Impulse! They use the 1990s era remasters, but the whole thing's packaged in cheap cardboard sleeves - the paper itself ain't bad, but they really are cheaply done, with no liner notes, errors in the credits, and poor reproductions of the album covers. (And just to be clear, these are indeed legit reissues.) The one for Four for Trane is particularly shitty, with washed out color on a poor crop job of the original that's squished in vertically. Still, the whole package was less than $12 shipped, and the discs themselves are more than fine. I just wish they did a better job of replicating the original LP sleeves - cosmetically this isn't much better than a pirated disc and it's kind of insulting to an artist's legacy when his best work is presented this way. (Shepp is still with us, but maybe he doesn't care.)

i've never really been into or known a lot about jazz, and now i feel like i can't get enough. it feels like this massive continent though that i only know one or two tiny valleys of. i love oscar peterson and basie and ellington but a tremendous amount of the hard bop stuff - what the cognoscenti love - leaves me pretty cold. i guess i'm kind of a basic jazz bitch. i like bluesy, lyrical jams, but not so much the 12-minute modal journeys. herbie hancock and bill evans are about as far out as i'll push that boat. anyway i'm in love with GRANT GREEN and WYNTON KELLY. hit me up.

Grant Green - Nigeria is just straight amazing from top to bottom

Ben Webster meets Coleman Hawkins is a great one for basic jazz degenerates and is as bluesy as it gets!

Nice - I will look!

As far as new people go I know NOTHING. Literally the only two ppl I know are like Dave Douglas and Shabaka Hutchings. Both of whom I love unreservedly!

Will start trawling through the jazz d-bags threads too...

Tracer I'd poke around in the late 50s/early 60s Blue Note catalog, that will keep you busy for a long time (there are some 12-minute modal journeys in there but plenty of stuff in the vein of Grant Green and Wynton Kelly).

Oh, also I highly, highly recommend these two Bobby Timmons Trio records

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30LDcvjONT0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9q4LRyhufo

xp it's Coleman Hawkins Encounters Ben Webster I meant, wrong way around!

Some of my favorite basic jazz bitch albums are the Milt Jackson/Ray Charles duets -- Soul Brothers and Soul Meeting.

Go back to the, um, fountainhead and listen to some Count Basie with the All-American Rhythm Section- Freddie Green, Walter Page and Jonathan Loved David Samuel “Papa Jo” Jones- featuring Mr. Five by Five, Jimmy Rushing on vocals.

Yeah I still haven't really ever understood vibes tbh, I don't get it lol I'm so standard.

man alive yeah i love bobby timmons! Late 50s early 60s Blue Note is like CANON DE CHEZ CANON but it does seem like an endless well of amazing music. i'm sure real jazzbos grew out of that in elementary school but hey it's where i'm at.

JR - sounds good. love basie.

I was listening that series of awesome early 60's Andrew Hill albums on Blue Note t'other day. Possibly not what you are strictly looking for TH but they are so good.

One good, one really good thing about jazz, from where I sit right now, just don’t tell anybody, is you don’t really have to like everything everybody else likes. There is so much going on you can just find your own path to thread your way through the maze.

I tell you a really fun cool jazz classic, TH. Shorty Rogers & His Giants - Martians Come Back! from '56

Tracer which "hard bop stuff" in particular leaves you cold?

not questioning your taste, just trying to understand the line btw what you like and what you don't.

Although, James, don't you find that the Jazz Canon looms larger in the appreciation of the music than it does in rock? For instance, you don't even get a shrug on here if you say you hate the Beatles but love some other type of rock music, whereas I think people would seriously question your jazz fan bona fides if you said you hated [iconic jazz artist].
Maybe this reflects the fact that I've been listening to jazz pretty steadily for 35 years, but still feel like I'm an outside to the "real fans". I have been taking my own path through the music as you suggest, but there's a background feeling of "doing it wrong".

There are certain jazz artists that you pretty much never hear any jazz fan say they don't like (Miles, Coltrane, Monk come to mind). TBH it would be pretty interesting to hear someone's case for why they didn't like one of these (but liked jazz).

I had a prof who said he went to music school with metalhead kids who liked fusion but thought Kind of Blue was really boring.

sorry man alive i probably should have said 'post bop' or 'post hard bop'

in my EXTREMELY limited sense of it i feel like once you get to the late 60s, jazz has either turned jammy/funky or cerebral. maybe i just need a big walking bassline to love it idk! i like stuff with riffs, big bold A patterns.

I think if I had to get stuck in a 20th century listening decade it would be '53 -'63.. lol I say "if"

If you want something very un-cerebral, un-post-bop, hard swinging, greasy, and not at all canon, this is probably my favorite not very well known jazz record:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ht-cXJO2biI

Nice thanks. i judge this sort of music by whether or not Bob Wills would appreciate it, is how i break it down to an extent.

ha okay i think that organ is even a little bit too on the nose even for me! yowza.

once you get to the late 60s, jazz has either turned jammy/funky or cerebral

There's tons of straight-ahead acoustic hard bop-style jazz all the way through the 70s. The only thing that really changed was the production style. If you can hack the bass sounding like it's strung with giant rubber bands, go to Discogs and look for anything on the Milestone label - albums by Sonny Rollins, McCoy Tyner, and Joe Henderson, and other folks too.

what would you say changed about the production style in the 70s?

to me most stuff sounds a bit closer mic'd. like higher fidelity on each instrument but you lose the sense of all the players being in the room together.