love* in the time of plague (and by love* i mean brexit* and other dreary matters of uk politics)

if you've obtained a rep for something (fairly or not) you have to really go hard the other way to remove it. Labour has got itself a rep for antisemitism. This isn't the time to publically thread through a semantic argument about why it's good not bad actually to bring up Israel in the context of US police brutality.

Not convinced it needed to be a sacking personally, and it is definitely storing up debts that will have to be repaid, but I think Matt's right about the short-term appeal of it to KS.

whats going on in glasgow atm?

Contmepoearu

didn't he play for Steaua Bucharest?

if you've obtained a rep for something (fairly or not) you have to really go hard the other way to remove it. Labour has got itself a rep for antisemitism. This isn't the time to publically thread through a semantic argument about why it's good not bad actually to bring up Israel in the context of US police brutality.

The logical end point of this would be to not express any solidarity towards Palestine whatsoever.

Labour also developed a perceived reputation (fairly or not) for 'anti-white racism', Irish republicanism, hatred of the armed forces and NATO, anti-Hindu sentiment, support for Assad and Putin, etc, etc so excited to see what else they can lean in on.

Hardy became politically active in 2011, after joining a campaign protesting against school cuts and meeting Alan Johnson, the then-MP for Kingston upon Hull West and Hessle.

Radicalised by Alan Johnson, the shame of it.

The logical end point of this would be to not express any solidarity towards Palestine whatsoever.

Not even the end point! They would then find another stick to beat the left with.

Oh sorry, SV said as much above.

"if you've obtained a rep for something (fairly or not) you have to really go hard the other way to remove it. Labour has got itself a rep for antisemitism."

That's running -- to an extent -- after an issue that is played up by the right-wing press. Which is the mistake Stephen Bush is also making.

bush is another one saying that what peake says is factually wrong rather than speculation, but I've not seen anything showing it's actually false. seems odd to focus so intensely on nice distinctions w/ a remark while doing this.

the q of what's the best solution when there is a problem w/ prejudice and language (or a perceived problem, or something in between) is tricky and I wonder if a new tack is needed. for a long time the liberal/left move has been to focus on the direction of travel; the important thing to to push for the right cause because the scale of the problem is so vast. never calling a black woman aggressive in an office dispute, or ever singling out israel for criticism is surely preferable to doing it without thinking about it (or ofc w/ bad intent). but inversing the logic still maintains its structure and it's just as flawed, and ppl are sensitive to this sort of unfairness/hypocrisy and the right can get a lot of mileage out of it (cf. rotherham child abuse scandal). ultimately I think it's more expedient to try and do the tough job of arguing that things can be more than one thing at the same time and in a grey area rather than this sort of posturing

https://www.glasgowlive.co.uk/news/glasgow-news/west-george-street-incident-live-18494009

Local reports suggest a number of people have been seriously injured

Also ...

https://www.itv.com/news/granada/2020-06-26/trafford-centre-owner-intu-confirms-it-has-gone-into-administration-but-says-shopping-centres-will-continue-to-trade/

xxp tbf peake herself has said she was wrong but afaik she's not in a position to know either!

armed police on the scene

Major incident in Glasgow as armed police arrive on scene#glasgow #glasgowcitycentre pic.twitter.com/P0m2yRVbHS

— SMT Daily (@SMTDaily) June 26, 2020

It's kicking off everywhere right now.

Sky reporting fatalities and police using firearms.

Given that the police are saying there's no danger to the public they must have shot the attacker.

Danger for the public is gone says Sky, though ppl should still stay indoors

xp

BBC says three dead in 'city centre hotel'

Have read, without confirmation, that the people attacked were asylum seekers, so maybe they were being housed in a hotel.

fuck :-(

I know there's a lot going on right now but this is the information I've been looking for for a while:

The proportion of Covid-19 patients in hospital who are dying is falling, research suggests.

The University of Oxford’s Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine studied deaths in hospital in England and found that the number of people in hospital with coronavirus is reducing by 2.4% every day - halving every 29 days.

The number of deaths is also reducing by 4.3% per day - halving every 16 days.

On 2 April, at the height of the epidemic, there were 644 deaths in 10,737 people in hospital with Covid - giving a 6% death rate, the researchers said.

But by 15 June, there were 50 deaths and 3,270 people in hospital - giving a death rate of 1.5%.

The authors suggested several reasons for the “steep and continual decline in the death rate in hospital of patients”.

One could be that patients with Covid-19 in late March and early April included a significant proportion of patients who caught the infection in hospital, they said.

“These patients, because they were in hospital, were more likely to be sicker and more vulnerable than patients who acquired infection in the community and so more likely to die from Covid-19.”

But as this changed, and patients with community-acquired infections became a greater proportion of patients in hospital, the death rate could fall, the researchers suggested.

Other reasons may be that medics have become more skilled at treating patients with Covid-19, patients over time have become younger with fewer underlying health conditions, or people are now suffering less severe disease.

The researchers said: “The reasons for the declining death rate in hospitals may be a combination of one or all of these factors or due to some other reason we have not considered.

“In either case, further research is warranted to understand why the hospital death rate has declined so markedly over the past eight weeks.”

That figure will presumably go down even more thanks to the dexamethasone treatment

And Boris being awesome.

https://i.imgur.com/ZfV6v1J.jpg
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse2.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.USPYGSPst0xSrLLgsinnXgAAAA%26pid%3DApi&f=

one of them is a joke Brummy stereotype performing left wing ideas purely for effect and well you know where this is going

rt this to make @baddiel’s piles flare up https://t.co/EWNujJjXAz

— Marine A. Hyde (@spagbolshevism) June 26, 2020

NEW @Survation Poll – Leadership Approval:
Johnson / Starmer
Net: +6% (+2) / +10% (-4)
Favourable 44% (+1) / 35% (-2)
Neutral 15% (-) / 30% (-1)
Unfavourable 39% (-1) / 25% (+1)

2,003 respondents, fieldwork 24-25 June 2020. Changes w/ 9-10 June 2020.
https://t.co/S0FVWD7zeD pic.twitter.com/ogwhlx6CN8

— Survation. (@Survation) June 26, 2020

oh deary me, declining approval ratings and voting intention polling, it looks like the gbp prefers their Tory cunts unreconstructed and of the straight down the line variety!

lol get fucked you coiffed boiled ham

Only getting a 1-point bump from opening the pubs seems hardly worth the deaths and long-term damage

So as it turns out Stephen Bush is taking on this role as chair on inclusivity in the Jewish community:

https://www.thejc.com/comment/comment/racism-i-know-is-when-an-antisemite-sees-my-skin-and-thinks-i-share-their-repellent-views-1.500519

this thread is really getting me down today, unfortunately I live in it so no looking away.

xp wtf

...why would antisemites see black skin and think a Black person shared their antisemitism Stephen? pic.twitter.com/GIfp8iy1JM

— Your Mum says Black Lives Matter (@judeinlondon2) June 26, 2020

Only getting a 1-point bump from opening the pubs seems hardly worth the deaths and long-term damage

Good lord I've just realised they're reopening the pubs on a Saturday instead of doing the closest-to-sensible thing and opening them on a Monday or Tuesday. Whoever signed off on that really didn't think it through at all.

srsly i made the joke yesterday, it's like "if you were gonna do this inadvisable thing, what would be the worst way to go about it?"

"They're going to call it 'Super Saturday' and cause chaos" says the Mail, who *checks notes* coined it 'Super Saturday'

then again the beaches have been full of people for the same reason

Absolutely assumed they were going to go with INDEPENDENCE DAY.

I got the Stephen Bush article from that thread but didn't want to import it so much...but I was wondering why he ventured out of his usual beat -- parliamentary politics and numbers and intrigue -- to talk about AS in detail.

i'm too pished to read Stephen Bush on a Friday evening but from the clips i think there's a point there about assumed alliances/orientations?

The antisemite in question isn't necessarily black but I think he's saying that people just assume because he's black he can't also be Jewish and start trotting shit out as a result.

It's possible that with background and right amount of luck he has personally experienced less overt anti-black racism than AS over his life - I wouldn't want to assume otherwise, but it does strike me as unlikely. Columnists in general don't write headlines or have much say in that one and the choice to use that specific line feels... loaded.

https://labourlist.org/2020/06/its-time-to-reverse-ten-years-of-tory-decline-in-our-armed-forces/

lol

it takes a ration of guillotines to hold us back

in 2015 ministers pledged that the strength of the British Army would not fall below 82,000 – but numbers are down to 73,750. And they promised “to increase the Royal Nay and Royal Air Force by a total of 700 personnel” – but have instead cut the number by 1,970. Since 2010, the Conservatives have overseen the strength of British Forces drop by a quarter, with 40,000 fewer full-time troops now than ten years ago.

Pretty sure the number of Tories in the forces is up on a decade ago.

Is John Healy ex armed forces? His ugly mothrfuckin' head looks like its been napalmed to fuckery!

Absolutely assumed they were going to go with INDEPENDENCE DAY.

They did, didn't they?

if my rag-officer brother and sister-in-law and their phalanx of spam-hued facebook friends are anything to go by, 100% otm xxp

These arseholes that love to wank off the armed forces fill me with disgust, and the Labour ones are usually the worst.

I HEAR YOU BROTHER