rejected the concept of love altogether
I don't agree that he was doing this in "Oh No" btw, which seems more like rejecting simplistic interpretations of love, nor that his life demonstrated this.
― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Thursday, 25 June 2020 16:45 (three years ago) link
like King Crimson there seems to be an infinite number of recordings of this guy
― frogbs, Thursday, 25 June 2020 16:50 (three years ago) link
My least favorite period of his work, so I'll give it a cursory streaming listen but nothing more than that.
― Irritable Baal (WmC), Thursday, 25 June 2020 18:52 (three years ago) link
Yeah, not particularly keen to explore this but, still, surprised to see Uncle Meat material show up in the live sets.
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Friday, 26 June 2020 08:58 (three years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EbYLmBHXYAAnZmM?format=jpg
― mark s, Friday, 26 June 2020 10:22 (three years ago) link
I know I'm in the minority but this might be my fave Zappa era, this is the last time it feels like a "band" and not Zappa with various players and I think Flo & Eddie are funny, which obv ymmv
However, do I really need another record when there are already 4 lps from the era, plus the 3 disc Carnegie Hall live box and I'm sure more I'm not thinking of? I mean...no, but I'll listen to it for sure
― chr1sb3singer, Friday, 26 June 2020 15:48 (three years ago) link
I like a lot of the Flo and Eddie stuff, but this seems like scraps from all already well mined era. I doubt that there's a tin of stuff left in the vault that's really new or essential. It's been picked over very thoroughly for the last 30+ years.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Friday, 26 June 2020 15:56 (three years ago) link
"Red Tubular Lighter" is so great
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 26 June 2020 16:17 (three years ago) link
I'm listening to a vinyl copy of We're Only In It For the Money...I've actually never heard the original version before, I had the 90's Ryko CD. I never knew the 'censored version' meant they just clipped entire sections out. I thought the record skipped a few times but apparently that's how it actually is. I almost understand FZ's desire to re-record this now, it sounds kinda bad. whoever remastered this in the 90s did a really good job.
― frogbs, Friday, 24 July 2020 03:46 (three years ago) link
This guy did an outstanding job of restoring an 'uncensored version' using the best available materials. The bulk of it came from MFSL's reissue - it wasn't an ideal reissue as it uses the exact same digital master created for Rykodisc's '90s CD, but that was still a rock solid transfer of the original analog master tape and MFSL's mastering is a slight improvement that doesn't do anything wrong.
― birdistheword, Friday, 24 July 2020 22:57 (three years ago) link
Magnolia Presents: ZAPPA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4F0rT0F6OQ
Directed by Alex WinterProduced by Alex Winter, Glen Zipper, Ahmet Zappa, John Frizzell, Devorah DeVries, and Jade AllenExecutive Producers Robert Halmi and Jim Reeve of Great Point Media
With unfettered access to the Zappa family trust and all archival footage, ZAPPA explores the private life behind the mammoth musical career that never shied away from the political turbulence of its time. Alex Winter’s assembly features appearances by Frank’s widow Gail Zappa and several of Frank’s musical collaborators including Mike Keneally, Ian Underwood, Steve Vai, Pamela Des Barres, Bunk Gardner, David Harrington, Scott Thunes, Ruth Underwood, Ray White and others.
129 Minutes
Magnolia Pictures will release ZAPPA everywhere November 27th, 2020Special one-night-only theatrical event on Monday, November 23rd, 2020
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 18:40 (three years ago) link
Sorry everyone, I'm gonna go see this
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 18:47 (three years ago) link
I kinda want to see this too. Alex Winter is a pretty good director. just worried it's gonna be too rapturous about him as I'd imagine the Zappa family trust wants it to be
― frogbs, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 19:01 (three years ago) link
Wondering if Dweezil had any input on this or if he's just out in the cold completely.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 19:04 (three years ago) link
Dweezil & Moon I don't think were involved at all, Moon didn't have anything positive to say about Winter: "He wouldn’t have been my first choice. He might not have been my 100th choice.”
But I am pretty curious to see it
― chr1sb3singer, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 19:20 (three years ago) link
I'm curious about it too. If it's like $5 on Amazon Prime, or if it pops up on Netflix or Hulu, I'll probably watch.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 22:03 (three years ago) link
I'd rather see a good Zappa doc than listen to anything by Zappa, tbh. He's an interesting, important figure, second almost to the Dead in how the *idea* of the music is in some ways ultimately more important than the music itself.
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 22:12 (three years ago) link
Thought this might be a biopic for a mad second, no such luck
― logout option: disabled (Matt #2), Wednesday, 28 October 2020 22:12 (three years ago) link
Same, Josh! I'd absolutely see a biopic about one-of-my least-favourite musicians, for real
I did listen to Uncle Meat on a whim last night and... I still do love it
― flamboyant goon tie included, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 22:35 (three years ago) link
I listened to Apostrophe recently, which I used to love, and found it mostly grating and tiring to be honest.
― chap, Wednesday, 28 October 2020 23:20 (three years ago) link
Not too many artists I'll say this about, but Zappa was waaaay too sober.
― octobeard, Thursday, 29 October 2020 00:32 (three years ago) link
i hate judging a doc by its trailer but that whole bit at the end with zappa running for prez....
dude was politically abhorrent
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 29 October 2020 00:37 (three years ago) link
Zappa was waaaay too sober.
― octobeard, Wednesday, October 28, 2020 5:32 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
yeah but hot rats sounds amazing stoned
this is well worth watchinghttps://m.imdb.com/title/tt5645352/
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 29 October 2020 00:48 (three years ago) link
Eh, would take him over a lot of Presidents.
― I guess I'd be lonesome (Sund4r), Thursday, 29 October 2020 01:22 (three years ago) link
......... fair
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Thursday, 29 October 2020 01:27 (three years ago) link
Looking forward to this. It was supposed to premiere at SxSW this year -- I wonder if Winter has done any late tweezing to it in the last six months.
― scampo-phenique (WmC), Thursday, 29 October 2020 01:38 (three years ago) link
I mean, he was pro-decriminalization, anti-censorship, anti-nuke, anti-military interventionism, anti-apartheid, pro-civil rights. Was v wrong about abolishing income tax, though.xp
― I guess I'd be lonesome (Sund4r), Thursday, 29 October 2020 02:15 (three years ago) link
So there have been many archival releases in the last 20 years that I've barely delved into. Any thoughts on which are the best ones?
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Saturday, 31 October 2020 15:03 (three years ago) link
Wazoo (a live album by one of his jazziest bands) was good. There's some worthwhile stuff on the big Hot Rats box, too.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Saturday, 31 October 2020 16:19 (three years ago) link
Road Tapes Venue #2, Greasy Love Songs, Wazoo, Roxy Performances
― EZ Snappin, Saturday, 31 October 2020 16:21 (three years ago) link
Whatever your favorite era/band, there will be some road tapes; Wazoo, the Hot Rats Sessions, the Roxy Performances top my list.
― scampo-phenique (WmC), Saturday, 31 October 2020 16:27 (three years ago) link
Some of those archival releases also feature the original LP mixes of certain records that Zappa remixed for their original CD issues, such as Freak Out, Ruben & the Jets and Uncle Meat.
― Halfway there but for you, Saturday, 31 October 2020 20:06 (three years ago) link
Who else but a genius of Frank’s Zappitude would concoct a modern day cowboy song about a dental floss ranch?
― An Andalusian Do-rag (James Redd and the Blecchs), Monday, 16 November 2020 02:52 (three years ago) link
I just saw that the new FZ documentary will be available as one of WFMU's on-demand films starting the 27th.
― scampo-phenique (WmC), Monday, 16 November 2020 03:10 (three years ago) link
Zappa's nephew, Stanley, is a jazz saxophonist. I reviewed one of his albums for Stereogum, and he follows me on Twitter.
― but also fuck you (unperson), Monday, 16 November 2020 03:11 (three years ago) link
The Alex Winter doc is really good filmmaking, y'all. It's not a complete hagiography -- Zappa's singleminded focus coming through as callous assholism is remarked on several times. Gail's unhappiness with FZ groupie indulgence is made plain, though not by Gail. Winter highlights the pathos of "Valley Girl"'s origin. He leaves out FZ's wide ranging xenophobia except for a throwaway comment by Kenneally. But he (Winter) gets Conceptual Continuity as Zappa presented it and assembles the film in the same way, with images and music cues from all eras peppered throughout, especially in the first and last 30 minutes. Really well edited, and it admirably doesn't rely too hard on talking head interviews, which makes them more effective when they are used. Ruth Underwood and Steve Vai are especially good.
Don't watch if you have any antipathy to FZ at all, but worth renting otherwise.
― Motoroller Scampotron (WmC), Saturday, 28 November 2020 18:34 (three years ago) link
I dunno if I'm just dense, however, it is *fucking* me off that I can't seem to be able to rent this from the UK.
― Maresn3st, Saturday, 28 November 2020 18:40 (three years ago) link
I'm watching this through Alamo Drafthouse tonight
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Saturday, 28 November 2020 19:15 (three years ago) link
is it possible to have *no* antipathy for Zappa?looking forward to this
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 28 November 2020 21:06 (three years ago) link
true, true, I have plenty
― Motoroller Scampotron (WmC), Saturday, 28 November 2020 21:59 (three years ago) link
Curious to know whether this will be available to stream in Europe.
― licorice oratorio (baaderonixx), Monday, 30 November 2020 20:01 (three years ago) link
This was a fairly good documentary, the band member interviews and new footage were the strongest elements. My biggest complaint was that it focused too much on Frank Zappa the personality at the expense of the music.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 30 November 2020 21:32 (three years ago) link
― ILXceptionalism (Tom D.), Monday, 30 November 2020 21:38 (three years ago) link
Is there a Zappa documentary you'd like to see that focuses on some other topic?
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 30 November 2020 21:41 (three years ago) link
Zappa fans not renowned for their sense of humour.
― ILXceptionalism (Tom D.), Monday, 30 November 2020 21:44 (three years ago) link
Don't get me wrong, it was incredibly hilarious and insightful. Thank you for your service. But yeah, I'd definitely say that a key to enjoying this film is having a desire to see a Zappa doc in the first place.
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 30 November 2020 21:48 (three years ago) link
Like talking to a brick wall.
― ILXceptionalism (Tom D.), Monday, 30 November 2020 21:49 (three years ago) link
Why are you even wasting your time?
― Mr. Cacciatore (Moodles), Monday, 30 November 2020 21:51 (three years ago) link
I have no idea what you're talking about.
― ILXceptionalism (Tom D.), Monday, 30 November 2020 21:52 (three years ago) link