Attention Tuomas- I have a Finnish language question

Oletko sisukas suomalainen?

Hi Tuomas,
Are you familiar with this song?

https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/39928248/Hei-Hei-Peruna

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZzbBeT4lEY

hi tuomas,

i don't have a finnish language question, i just wanted to say hi. sorry for abusing the thread!

Me too, feel like we should be bringing you some tribute, instead of just pestering you, especially since you were ill way up thread.

No, I've never heard of that song... Probably it was written after my kindergarten days. 🙂

Rauhallista Joulua ja Hyvää Uutta Vuotta!

Kiitos!

Osaatko sinä käyttää Duolingoa?

Ei me mittä kaffelle men?

Hope you don't mind my annoying attempts to learn your langauge.

Nah, the I find them cute. 🙂 Was the last in some regional dialect? I'm very bad at recognising them, having lived in Helsinki my whole life.

"was the last one in some regional dialect"

Why are you learning Finnish, btw?

Yes, the last one was regional. Can't remember where I found it again.

I have a language learning hobby/compulsion/addiction and Finnish seemed interesting.

After doing it for a little while I started to hear it in my head a bit "Anteeksi! Kittos!"

Seems slightly easier than Hungarian, although maybe the grass is greener.

https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/40208948/%E2%80%93-No-mit%C3%A4-kuuluu-%E2%80%93-Ei-kai-t%C3%A4ss%C3%A4-mit%C3%A4%C3%A4n
Wonder if the link will work. In any case there is an exchange of someone how another person is and the other person responding
Ei kai tässä mitään, which seems to be some kind of idiomatic expression.

Then there is also
No ei se mitään

This one is a music reference

https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/40273407/Laulussa-nainen-juoksee-yl%C3%B6s-tuota-m%C3%A4ke%C3%A4

Sorry for bothering you but
Kukaan ei ole seppä syntyessään.

No entä sitten?

Valot, kamera, käy!

https://uusikielemme.livejournal.com/5206.html

https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/52895482/The-beds-are-in-a-hotel

https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/40715149/S%C3%A4ngyt-ovat-hotellissa

https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/49786038/Ruoka-on-t%C3%A4%C3%A4ll%C3%A4

https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/40040461/It-is-quiet-in-the-empty-hotel

Hän ei panne rikkaa ristiin minua auttaakseen.

https://forum.duolingo.com/comment/39952634/grandma-and-grandpa

I recently finished every single thing in the Duolingo Finnish tree. Not that this means I know something.

And Duolingo froze and then closed all those old forum posts.

If I want to continue I guess I will use Clozemaster combined with some other things. Can’t really find a great dictionary anywhere though, at least in English, but did find on okay Swedish-Finnish done.

On=an

https://kaino.kotus.fi/finsk-svensk/

Seriously considering giving the duolingo Finnish course a go. Did you consider it a difficult language to learn?

Sure it’s difficult, because there is almost no vocabulary in common with any other language somebody might know.

Pronunciation is not that bad at all though.

Grammar is kind of challenging but Duolingo spoonfeeds you a selected set of cases.

Course gets tedious pretty quickly though

So I learned something, not sure what exactly. Now that I am officially finished with Duolingo Finnish I am graduating myself to Clozemaster.

I've wanted to learn it for some time. My dad's mom spoke it as her first language (her parents came from Turku) and it stuck with her till the day she died. I still remember the sign she had on the kitchen wall that said "Tervetuloa meidän kotiimme."

Perhaps weirdly, its isolation on the linguistic family tree is part of the appeal to me. I've never become fluent in other languages but am fairly capable at picking up vocabulary words - Finnish being so remote makes it a real challenge and a chance to pick up something completely new. The thing that tends to fuck me over with languages is grammar, so I always end up giving up once I've learnt a little and I doubt it'd be much different here.

I have no idea whether Finnish relies more on word order, case declension or something else for its grammar.

Okay then, give it a go!
(xp)

Lots of cases, mostly.

Don’t try and learn them all (at once)

I guess "syntax" might be a better word than "grammar."

There is one interesting word order thing though that is pretty important, I think.

Because there is no definite article, a thing is shown to be definite by putting it towards the beginning of the sentence.

See, this is fascinating to me as a fact, I love learning stuff like this about languages. But you can bet if I ever tried to speak a sentence to a Finnish person I would forget it in an instant and produce a terribly incoherent mess.

"I am with cheese, head fist."

Finns are, in general, more enjoyable than Hungarians.

I bet their goulash is worse, though.

The Duolingo Hungarian course is also notoriously bad so the Finnish approach is definitely an improvement.

xp Right, Finnish goulash is not a thing.

Finnish vodka, though

Saunas

Finnish vodka, though

I think I have finally got through my Fisu phase, I probably shouldn't go back, it'd kill me. IT'S SO GOOD THOUGH.

https://guides.brit.co/guides/make-finish-fisu-strong-menthol-sauna-alcohol

Here’s another cool thing about Finnish grammar, to express negativity or negation at least: they have a special verb which gets conjugated and does all the heavy lifting.

Fisu Sisu

Basically, Fisu and Fonal = my dream of Finland.

I see that Drops may have some quality control issues.

Or maybe not, at least not in this case.

Here’s a interesting word I just learned: luku, which means number but also means chapter and has something to do with reading.

Wiktionary seems to be pretty good for Finnish.

oh hi, I took two solid years of Finnish in college, ama

plusses:
every letter is always pronounced the same!
accent is always on the 1st syllable
no gender!

minuses:
no prepositions
words derive meaning by tacking on suffix after suffix, it can be hard to parse

I used to have an excellent Finnish-English dictionary but my college buddy who was also obsessed with the language appropriated it, I'm pretty sure it was a classbook.

words derive meaning by tacking on suffix after suffix, it can be hard to parse

see also: Quechua

Ha, my good friend and neighbor is doing some serious Kichwa studies right now.

such a cool language, and weirdly very similar to Finnish in some ways! (letters always pronounced the same, accents in same place, suffixes add meaning)

my personal pet theory is that it's all from an original Mongolian source (Finnish, Hungarian, Quechua)

Lot of extra texture detail in Wiktionary like this:

Etymology

ostaa +‎ -os. Coined by Finnish author and journalist Pietari Hannikainen.

Note the use of the connegative with the negative verb:

tule

present active indicative connegative of tulla

En/et/ei/emme/ette/eivät tule.
I/you/he/she/it/we/you/they don't come.

Käsi käden pesee.

Turpa kiinni!

En voi muutakaan.

I can see from the leaderboard that people are really making use of Clozemaster for Finnish.

https://www.kielitoimistonsanakirja.fi
Monolingual Finnish dictionary. Not for the faint of heart.

Has everything and is superfast though.

Oletko hullu?

Neljä vuodenaikaa, kevät, kesä, syksy ja talvi.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/v%C3%A4ri

Ihanko totta?

lämpö

Etymology

Back-formation from lämpöinen. Coined by Finnish physician and author Samuel Roos and Finnish professor, poet and scholar August Ahlqvist in 1845.