no I knew that. and I saw that video a couple weeks ago, it's p cool.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 23 June 2020 15:57 (three years ago) link
on one of the dvd commentaries they mention how you can tell they're not US horses based on their gait
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 23 June 2020 15:59 (three years ago) link
for me it's the flora that makes it obvious it's not in the Americas
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 23 June 2020 16:00 (three years ago) link
It's actually one of my favorite facets of those films. there's nothing like the over familiar monument valley to take you out of them. they're all vaguely familiar but not specific.
― Josh in Chicago, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 16:05 (three years ago) link
I can see that. And mon valley def overused to point where it just looks like a generic set.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Tuesday, 23 June 2020 16:11 (three years ago) link
The Good, the Bad and the Ugly is a fantastic film
― Dan S, Saturday, 27 June 2020 00:21 (three years ago) link
Too bad the sequel with Eli Wallach's character Tuco in the lead role never happened. That's one of my all time favorite movie characters.
― earlnash, Saturday, 27 June 2020 00:49 (three years ago) link
The Rod Steiger character in "Fistful of Duck You Sucker" pretty much is Tuco.
― Future England Captain (Tom D.), Saturday, 27 June 2020 00:51 (three years ago) link
Wallach's Tuco was a great character. I liked the unfamiliar landscapes. Eastwood has always been confident but I like that he seemed so comfortable in this role. The music was as iconic as I expected
― Dan S, Saturday, 27 June 2020 01:34 (three years ago) link
I need to watch the 1st 2 in the trilogy again but I think my favorite is Few Dollars More. Love how they flesh out the villian's character, and they actor does a great job. And I prefer Van Cleef as a vengeful hero to a sadistic baddie. His unique face gets mentioned a lot as his appeal but man that voice is incredible too.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Saturday, 27 June 2020 03:36 (three years ago) link
Watching "My Name is Nobody". Majority of it shot in US but I bet none of the landscapes look familiar even to those who've seen a lot of westerns.
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 28 June 2020 04:52 (three years ago) link
(Not directed by Leone. Based on an "idea" of his, w a Morricone score)
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 28 June 2020 04:59 (three years ago) link
Sergio that's not Sergio. This movie is a trip and the theme song is an all time WTF?.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j46FDG8UeXw
― earlnash, Sunday, 28 June 2020 12:05 (three years ago) link
The Fall should have covered 'Captain Apache', that would have been excellent.
― earlnash, Sunday, 28 June 2020 12:06 (three years ago) link
Never heard of that one! There's some channels over here that show spaghetti westerns all the time, though usually really early in the morning, and they're generally pretty bad but there's the occasional good one.
― Future England Captain (Tom D.), Sunday, 28 June 2020 12:15 (three years ago) link
From the wiki for "Captain Apache":
The vocals of the opening and credits song were performed by Van Cleef.
!!!
My fave campy Ennio deep cut is this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewtB8GPqWLw
It's from a movie called "Duello new Texas," or "Dual at Red Sands." apparently the first western with a Morricone score.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 28 June 2020 13:58 (three years ago) link
Ugh, autocorrect. The movie was called "Duello nel Texas," aka "Gunfight at Red Sands."
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 28 June 2020 13:59 (three years ago) link
Was just looking around on wiki and realized how few non-Leone spaghetti westerns I've actually seen. I've seen, say, A Bullet for the General, and My Name is Nobody, but do any/many more of them approach the mastery and majesty of Leone?
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 28 June 2020 14:06 (three years ago) link
Rick Dalton's spaghettis are supposed to be great.
― "...And the Gods Socially Distanced" (C. Grisso/McCain), Sunday, 28 June 2020 15:24 (three years ago) link
I've seen dozens of spaghetti westerns so I'll try to answer. The first four Leones are undeniable and there's a reason they each topped the Italian box office in their respective years. I'd maintain there are a good handful (a fistful?) of non-Leones that are great in their own way and not too imitative of him - depending on taste, perhaps a bit more than a handful.
My non-Leone POX would look something like this (in chronological order):
A Pistol for RingoThe Return of RingoDjangoThe Ugly Ones (aka The Bounty Killer)A Bullet for the GeneralThe Big GundownThe Great SilenceCemetery Without CrossesTepepaThe Price of Power
― Josefa, Sunday, 28 June 2020 15:34 (three years ago) link
I've seen a lot of them but they were usually released under a dozen different titles so it's difficult to distinguish them. One of the best is the one with Jean-Louis Trintingnant that's set in winter, The Big Silence, I think? Also the first (or second?) Django with Franco Nero.. there's dozens of films with Django in the title though. A particularly memorable one, I think called Requiescant, has Pasolini on it, playing a priest
― Future England Captain (Tom D.), Sunday, 28 June 2020 15:36 (three years ago) link
... The Great Silence (xp)
Saw quite an entertaining one the other day with Klaus Kinski as the unluckiest gambler in the west - possibly one of the Sartana (sp?) films.
― Future England Captain (Tom D.), Sunday, 28 June 2020 15:41 (three years ago) link
Requiescant is great, good call
― Josefa, Sunday, 28 June 2020 15:41 (three years ago) link
Thanks! How far do a lot of these veer from style into exploitation film grit and grime, sex and violence qua sex and violence? I'd like to avoid that, if possible.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 28 June 2020 15:46 (three years ago) link
The ones I mentioned all have more going on than gross-out/shock elements. Most have some sort of political angle. Fwiw spaghettis tend to downplay sex (as opposed to sexual assault, which may be what you mean)
― Josefa, Sunday, 28 June 2020 15:58 (three years ago) link
My Name is Nobody score sounds like a Morricone compilation that couldn't get the rights to the actual original compositions
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Sunday, 28 June 2020 16:00 (three years ago) link
xpost Yeah, sexual assault (or its threat) is pretty prevalent even in stuff like "Once Upon a Time in the West" and "For a Few Dollars More," but I never got the feeling they were playing for shock, just legit gross man menace. A la Mann's "Man of the West," which goes pretty far down that road for 1958 - Jack Lord's character is like a spaghetti western villain prototype - but which is just too old fashioned to make the impact that the sweaty, dirty spaghetti stuff does, imo. The women in these movies are often so sad, tired and tragic, stuck in this macho world that doesn't value them as much more than servants or playthings.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 28 June 2020 16:40 (three years ago) link
The most objectionable spaghetti I've seen in terms of ugliness and base pandering is Blindman (1971)
― Josefa, Sunday, 28 June 2020 16:51 (three years ago) link
Violence and misogyny are pretty much a constant.
― Future England Captain (Tom D.), Sunday, 28 June 2020 16:55 (three years ago) link
For sure (see also: most movies with guns). But Leone offers a real sense of poetry and vision that helps escape the gravitational pull of that particular gutter. A lot of action movies, esp. low budget action movies of that era, struggle to pull that off.
― Josh in Chicago, Sunday, 28 June 2020 17:01 (three years ago) link
The rape of the rich white woman at the beginning of duck you sucker is treated so casually (I quite liked the film by the end - some amazing scenes - but it was a drag in places and rod steiger is fucking terrible as the annoying caricature mexican)
― covid coronenberg (wins), Sunday, 28 June 2020 17:05 (three years ago) link
His accent is abysmal and you need a tolerance for his customary scenery chewing, which I've got tbh.
― Future England Captain (Tom D.), Sunday, 28 June 2020 17:33 (three years ago) link
He’s so one-note and shouty, I just wanted him to fuck off. Didn’t have this reaction to wallach
― covid coronenberg (wins), Sunday, 28 June 2020 17:53 (three years ago) link
finally watched For a Few Dollars More, liked it but not nearly as much as The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
― Dan S, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 00:40 (three years ago) link
Eastwood was very charismatic in the Dollars trilogy
― Dan S, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 00:41 (three years ago) link
and the ponchos he wore
― Dan S, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 01:07 (three years ago) link
Same poncho in all three. I think his entire outfit is identical.
― Josefa, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 01:36 (three years ago) link
is it the same poncho? he wore it so well
― Dan S, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 01:54 (three years ago) link
It was pointed out to me somewhere that The Good, Bad, & Ugly is actually the film where he gets the poncho, despite being the third in a "trilogy."
― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 03:24 (three years ago) link
I like the vest or undercoat he wore with wool lining in For a Few Dollars More
― Dan S, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 03:37 (three years ago) link
El Indio as Volonté portrayed him was a great character
― Dan S, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 03:44 (three years ago) link
Volonté was a marxist who basically despised the movies. There's an anecdote of him turning to another lefty crew member and going "we're Italian communists making these capitalist movies in fascist Spain, does this make any sense to you?".
Great portrayal tho yeah.
― Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 11:08 (three years ago) link
"For a Few Dollars More" is fantastic.
― Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 11:15 (three years ago) link
Lee Van Cleef is great in it too.
― Sonny Shamrock (Tom D.), Wednesday, 5 August 2020 11:16 (three years ago) link
He wears that vest in all three as well. His hat, poncho, vest, shirt, and as far as I can tell his jeans are the exact same items throughout the "trilogy."
― Josefa, Wednesday, 5 August 2020 12:42 (three years ago) link
interesting
― Dan S, Thursday, 6 August 2020 02:10 (three years ago) link
Just watched the Eastwood trilogy over the last several days, for the first time in like twenty years. All much better than I remembered, but TGTBATU was just utter wowsville. I see on Letterboxd that it is both the most popular and the highest rated film of '66. Pretty sure I've never seen a film claim both top spots for any other year. Rare that a movie that's actually The Best is also just so broadly enjoyable.
― Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Saturday, 17 July 2021 02:56 (two years ago) link
lol, okay, I only had to look as far as '72 and '74 for other examples. But it's still rare!
― Marty J. Bilge (Old Lunch), Saturday, 17 July 2021 03:27 (two years ago) link
Yeah, I love how the dollars trilogy just goes bigger and better with every installment.
― Daniel_Rf, Saturday, 17 July 2021 11:14 (two years ago) link